Greenland ice melt worse than previously believed

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Is Al Gore a climate scientist? No. Then why would I care what he said?

Where did he get that information from? Climate scientists.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The judge concluded "I have no doubt that Dr Stott, the Defendant's expert, is right when he says that: 'Al Gore's presentation of the causes and likely effects of climate change in the film was broadly accurate.'"

An Inconvenient Truth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I guess he was wrong.

 

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What are your alternatives? No one has come up with a viable substitute yet.

Rich people get cars and poor people walk, ride bicycles or take a bus.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Obama is 63. He probably doesn't have more than 20-25 years left. In that time, sea level probably won't rise more than 12-13 inches. His house is 15 feet above sea level. And just his name on the deed likely doubled the value of the house the day he signed it. So what the fuck are you people going on about?

What will it be worth when a global warming hurricane wipes Martha's Vineyard back to the Stone Age?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Rich people get cars and poor people walk, ride bicycles or take a bus.

I just spent 5 days in New Orleans. To park my car cost me $170 for that time. It was two blocks from my Air BnB. Despite the streets being crowded with cars at all hours, apparently, the only people who drive in New Orleans are Lyft and Uber drivers. They have streetcars, but going 1/4 mile or so, took us nearly 45 minutes, which we could have walked in about 15 minutes or so had my wife been able to walk that far. Going to get groceries was a pain. The only store was very convenient, but you simply cannot carry groceries for a family of six in your hands.

People like Crick want us to change our entire lifestyle on the hopes that it will save the icecaps from raising the sea level by a few inches over the next few decades. Lyft and Uber drivers still use gasoline producing CO2 and the cable cars run on natural gas power plants for its electricity.

How much worse can it get if those power sources are not available?

 

[Crick]

I just spent 5 days in New Orleans. To park my car cost me $170 for that time. It was two blocks from my Air BnB. Despite the streets being crowded with cars at all hours, apparently, the only people who drive in New Orleans are Lyft and Uber drivers. They have streetcars, but going 1/4 mile or so, took us nearly 45 minutes, which we could have walked in about 15 minutes or so had my wife been able to walk that far. Going to get groceries was a pain. The only store was very convenient, but you simply cannot carry groceries for a family of six in your hands.

People like Crick want us to change our entire lifestyle on the hopes that it will save the icecaps from raising the sea level by a few inches over the next few decades. Lyft and Uber drivers still use gasoline producing CO2 and the cable cars run on natural gas power plants for its electricity.

How much worse can it get if those power sources are not available?

Emitting transportation can be replaced with non-emitting transportation.

 

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Emitting transportation can be replaced with non-emitting transportation.

Or poor people can walk, ride bikes or take a bus. Fuck them, right?

 

[EMH]

What will it be worth when a global warming hurricane wipes Martha's Vineyard back to the Stone Age?

In fact, it doesn't even need any "warming." It happened in 1938, the last time a Cat 5 got that far north...


So much for "increasing hurricanes" and homO and Big Mike being scared of "increasing hurricanes"

1938 hurricane martha's vineyard wind gusts - Google Search

121 mph sustained winds and gusts of 186 mph. Roofs, trees, and crops were extensively damaged and power outages were widespread, lasting for weeks in some areas. The storm surge was substantial, causing 18 to 25 foot tides from New London east to Cape Cod. Downtown Providence was covered with 20 feet of storm tide and sections of Falmouth and New Bedford were buried under 8 feet of water. Western Massachusetts saw 3 to 6 inches of rain. In Springfield, the Connecticut River rose 6 to 10 feet above flood stage.

 

[protectionist]

Sound logical? Sound sensible? May I ask if you have the qualifications to make those determinations?

From his book Heaven + Earth, Australian professor Ian Plimer, >>>

Dr Plimer states :

The Earth is an evolving dynamic system. Current changes in climate, sea level and ice are within variability. Atmospheric CO2 is the lowest for 500 million years. Climate has always been driven by the Sun, the Earth’s orbit and plate tectonics and the oceans, atmosphere and life respond. Humans have made their mark on the planet, thrived in warm times and struggled in cool times. The hypothesis tha humans can actually change climate is unsupported by evidence from geology, archaeology, history and astronomy. The hypothesis is rejected. A new ignorance fills the yawning spiritual gap in Western society. Climate change politics is religious fundamentalism masquerading as science. Its triumph is computer models unrelated to observations in nature. There has been no critical due diligence of the science of climate change, dogma dominates, sceptics are pilloried and 17th Century thinking promotes prophets of doom, guilt and penance. When plate tectonics ceases and the world runs out of new rocks, there will be a tipping point and irreversible climate change. Don’t wait up.

Will Happer is another, highly-respected physicist out of Princeton, who compares the anti-CO2 crowd to the prohibitionists prior to the passage of the 18th Amendment. Dr. Happer says:

The earth's climate really is strongly affected by the greenhouse effect, although the physics is not the same as that which makes real, glassed-in greenhouses work. Without greenhouse warming, the earth would be much too cold to sustain its current abundance of life. However, at least 90% of greenhouse warming is due to water vapor and clouds. Carbon dioxide is a bit player. There is little argument in the scientific community that a direct effect of doubling the CO2 concentration will be a small increase of the earth's temperature -- on the order of one degree. Additional increments of CO2 will cause relatively less direct warming because we already have so much CO2 in the atmosphere that it has blocked most of the infrared radiation that it can. It is like putting an additional ski hat on your head when you already have a nice warm one below it, but you're only wearing a windbreaker. To really get warmer, you need to add a warmer jacket. The IPCC thinks that this extra jacket is water vapor and clouds.

Despite the advanced levels of these 2 highly respected scientists, the core of what they say is not that much different than what I myself was saying back in the 1960s, when I got a BA in Geography at CCNY and later taught classes there. When I talked about greenhouse effect. the notion was new, and people thought I was talking about growing plants.

The 10 Most-Respected Global Warming Skeptics (businessinsider.com)

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Emitting transportation can be replaced with non-emitting transportation.

Like what? You have no idea what you are talking about. What non-emitting transportation? The kind that simply does not exist?

 

[White 6]

Are you claiming OCEAN RISE???

Evidence?

Link?


Always curious about such claims...

You tell me. They lasted over 125 years there until Jan of 2024.
I am really surprised, you taking an interest in a January post of mine. It must bother you a lot, or you are really bored. Here is the story from back in January.

Watch the moment Maine's record high tide sweeps these more than 100-year-old fishing shacks to sea

A record high tide in Maine washed away three historic fishing shacks that had stood since the 1800s and formed the backdrop of countless photographs.

apnews.com

 

[EMH]

You tell me. They lasted over 125 years there until Jan of 2024.
I am really surprised, you taking an interest in a January post of mine. It must bother you a lot, or you are really bored. Here is the story from back in January.

Watch the moment Maine's record high tide sweeps these more than 100-year-old fishing shacks to sea

A record high tide in Maine washed away three historic fishing shacks that had stood since the 1800s and formed the backdrop of countless photographs.

apnews.com

READ CLOSELY NEXT TIME...

"A record 14.57-foot (4.4-meter) high tide was measured in Portland, Maine, just after noon on Saturday, after a storm surge amplified what was already the month’s highest tide"


A STORM SURGE is not OCEAN RISE...

 

[White 6]

READ CLOSELY NEXT TIME...

"A record 14.57-foot (4.4-meter) high tide was measured in Portland, Maine, just after noon on Saturday, after a storm surge amplified what was already the month’s highest tide"


A STORM SURGE is not OCEAN RISE...

And, your point is what? No storms on the coast of Maine in over a 125 years?

 

[Crick]

Like what? You have no idea what you are talking about. What non-emitting transportation? The kind that simply does not exist?

EVs charged with electricity generated by non-emitting tech or fuel cells running on green hydrogen.

 

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Coal powered EV's.

 

[EMH]

And, your point is what? No storms on the coast of Maine in over a 125 years?

A storm surge is not ocean rise. The Co2 FRAUD has attempted to spin that before, Norfolk Naval Base...

Norfolk, Virginia tackles rise in the sea

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/26/science/earth/26norfolk.html?_r=2&hp All this, while the idiot Cuccinelli spends tax payer money trying to prove global warming is untrue. Just another Republican with an agenda that tax payers are paying for.

www.usmessageboard.com

And in reality, just go to Google and type Norfolk Naval Base, click on images and sort PAST YEAR


NO OCEAN RISE, just LYING about a 2017 storm surge...

norfolk naval base - Google Search

So, yes, the Co2 FRAUD will LIE and HAS LIED BEFORE about "storm surge = ocean rise" and the two are not the same...

 

[Redfish]

This tells me that you aren't observing or looking at the findings of anyone that is. The world's oceans are rising and the ice is melting. These are both the unavoidable result of rising global temperatures. And, as they say, science doesn't care what you think.

Why do you think I can have only one goal?

As I say here on an almost daily basis, there are no proofs in the natural sciences. There is evidence. And there is an enormous amount of evidence and basic principles of physics and molecular chemistry that provide the link between human produced CO2 and the warming observed since the Industrial Revolution.

Now you seem to be the one who can only handle one problem at a time. Obviously, air and water pollution are problems. So is global warming. So is overpopulation. So are the risks of conventional and nuclear warfare. So is mass starvation. So is forced mass migration. So are pesticides and herbicides in our food. So is stray plastics in our food. So are the replacement of natural flora and fauna with livestock and monoculture. And you think we can only deal with one of those at a time? We must be truly and fully fucked, eh?.

you are the perfect liberal, you believe all the hype. To summarize: even if our planet is gradually warming, we are not causing it, cannot stop it, cannot reverse it, and cannot slow it down. So what do humans need to do? Deal with whatever is happening and make the best of it. if we can eventually grow wheat in Greenland and Peaches in Canada, why is that bad?

A recent report showed that the Atlantic is unusually cool for this time of year, are we therefore seeing global cooling? In the 1970s all the so-called scientists told us that the earth was cooling and that a new ice age was coming. The prophet Algore said in his book (your Bible) said that by now all of Florida and most of the east coast would be under water, is it?

 

[Crick]

even if our planet is gradually warming, we are not causing it

Then what is? And why WOULDN't a 50% increase in the second most powerful greenhouse gas warm the planet?

cannot stop it, cannot reverse it, and cannot slow it down.

Because we caused it and know precisely how, we can slow it down, we can stop it and we can reverse it. You might have benefitted from a class in basic logic. Really basic.

So what do humans need to do?

We need to bring the combustion of fossil fuels to a halt.

Deal with whatever is happening

Okay

and make the best of it.

And make the best of it? That sort of pusillanimous fatalism is not what this country likes to think it's known for and its certainly not what's needed in the face of a universal threat.

if we can eventually grow wheat in Greenland and Peaches in Canada, why is that bad?

Because we will simultaneously lose the ability to grow wheat at the southern end of its range, where it and it's infrastructure have been growing for centuries. It may well take centuries for those ice caps to disappear and the soil under it is bedrock scraped clean by thousands of years of glacial movement. In the intervening time, we will need to relocate hundreds of millions of people due to rising seas, crops of all sort will be failing due to climate change and humans will be suffering an increase in intolerable heat waves.

A recent report showed that the Atlantic is unusually cool for this time of year, are we therefore seeing global cooling?

It is not the entire Atlantic, but only the equatorial Atlantic, which has cooled earlier, but not more, than it has since 1982. Other parts of the Atlantic still remain at extraordinarily high temperatures.

In the 1970s all the so-called scientists told us that the earth was cooling and that a new ice age was coming.

No, "all the so-called scientists" did not. The biggest name pushing that line was Paul Ehrlich, an ecologist who didn't know jack shit about atmospheric physics or paleoclimatology and was doing quite well for himself selling alarmist books.

The prophet Algore said in his book (your Bible) said that by now all of Florida and most of the east coast would be under water, is it?

I get my information from scientists. Gore is not a scientist. Feel free to argue with whatever Gore has said, but all it tells me is that you're unable to argue against the actual science.

 

[EMH]

even if our planet is gradually warming

You are "conceding" a falsehood. Their only warming is from the surface of growing urban areas, that's it.

urban heat island effect - Google Search

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

EVs charged with electricity generated by non-emitting tech or fuel cells running on green hydrogen.

Maybe in another 50 years when that technology becomes available at a reasonable cost. Why aren't you the greatest advocate of nuclear power on the planet?

EVs pollute the earth more than ICE cars. Have you solved that problem yet?