Greenland and US National Security

President Truump literally "gets" everything light years ahead of the pack.
The irony being that never has a President been so hated by so many. It's sad, really. Their ignorance and inability to put their silly emotions aside has cost Trump the credit he deserves. The enemies of America are well funded and have great access to media, pretty much owning all of it.
But to his credit, he doesn't seem to care much anyway. He just keeps plowing ahead. :smile:
 
The irony being that never has a President been so hated by so many. It's sad, really. Their ignorance and inability to put their silly emotions aside has cost Trump the credit he deserves. The enemies of America are well funded and have great access to media, pretty much owning all of it.
But to his credit, he doesn't seem to care much anyway. He just keeps plowing ahead. :smile:

The main enemy of America is The Media
 
You act like we would allow Russia or China to build a base there. We would not.

We do not need to own the place to do that stupid

I don't think Trump ever really wanted to own the place or annex it somehow, that would take an act of Congress which he probably knows he wouldn't get. So, he threatens to take over Greenland to get the deal that he wants so the US have the authority to deal with any adversarial encroachments. Plus, he doesn't want them to gain access to the oil, gas, and mineral deposits that are said to be under all that ice.

It ain't pretty, but he does end up getting a better deal for the US.
 
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If one takes a polar view of Greenland, it is obvious that it sits directly between the US and Russia's ICBMs. As such, it is in an essential location for early warning systems and ICBM defense. Unless it becomes part of the US, there is no way to enforce territorial sovereignty over the waters surrounding it. Without this, US adversaries can place naval and air forces much closer to Greenland, allowing them to perform a quicker strike against US defenses.

Why is this so hard to understand?
Greenland is already part of a defense system. Why is that so hard to understand?
 
I understand it perfectly. I also understand what Denmark would do if Russia or China decided to build a base there. Others would throw away all logic just to hate Trump.
You obviously don't understand anything.

Denmark is a NATO member as is the USA. (at least for the time being-unless Trump destroys this alliance in the coming month or years) as such it isn't about Denmark solely defending Greenland from any aggressors - but NATO.

Besides your Canada annexation dude - not a single country - specifically not any NATO member has ever recorded Russian or Chinese military assets, anywhere near Greenland, that could or would invade Greenland.

It's pure fiction - used by your Golf of Trump nitwit, do come up with any daily bullshit, to distract from all the problems the narcissistic ****, had promised to solve to his clueless voters and brainwashed supporters.
 
If one takes a polar view of Greenland, it is obvious that it sits directly between the US and Russia's ICBMs. As such, it is in an essential location for early warning systems and ICBM defense. Unless it becomes part of the US, there is no way to enforce territorial sovereignty over the waters surrounding it. Without this, US adversaries can place naval and air forces much closer to Greenland, allowing them to perform a quicker strike against US defenses.

Why is this so hard to understand?
Good reasoning in parts, but also some errors and overstatements.

👉 Strengths (good points)
  • Location matters: Greenland sits along polar flight paths and near the GIUK gap, so it is strategically useful for early warning, missile-tracking, and monitoring Russian naval/submarine activity.
  • Existing US assets: The US already uses Pituffik (Thule) for missile warning and space surveillance, so the strategic logic for more sensors or defenses there is sound.
  • Shorter approach routes: Polar trajectories reduce time for incoming strikes compared with some other approaches, so northern radars and interceptors contribute to layered defense.

👉 Weaknesses (bad or flawed reasoning)
  • “Sits directly between the US and Russia's ICBMs” is imprecise. ICBM trajectories vary; Greenland is on some polar/semi-polar routes but not a literal chokepoint for all Russian ICBMs. Strategic warning relies on dispersed sensors (satellites, distant radars) not a single island.
  • “Must become part of the US” is unnecessary and false. Sovereignty over Greenland is not required for US access or to enforce maritime control; long-standing defense agreements with Denmark already allow significant US basing and operations. Annexation would be legally, politically, and diplomatically costly and provide little extra technical advantage.
  • Overstates control of surrounding waters. Even if Greenland were independent, Denmark (and international law: EEZs/UNCLOS) and NATO cooperation can—and do—limit adversary operations. Sovereignty over land alone doesn’t automatically prevent other states from operating; presence, surveillance, and allied patrols are the real levers.
  • Assumes adversaries would easily “place naval and air forces much closer.” Russia can already operate in the Arctic where ice permits, but basing, sustainment, and ice conditions limit large-scale, sustained deployments. Proximity is constrained by geography, logistics, and allied monitoring.
  • Ignored alternative defenses and sensors. Modern early warning relies heavily on satellites, over-the-horizon sensors, and allied infrastructure; Greenland is valuable but not the sole critical node.

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Bottom line
  • The general premise—that Greenland is strategically important for early warning and monitoring in the Arctic—is correct.
  • The conclusions that only US ownership can secure those advantages, and that without ownership adversaries can easily gain decisive proximity, are overstated and not supported by how modern deterrence, international law, and allied basing arrangements work.

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If one takes a polar view of Greenland, it is obvious that it sits directly between the US and Russia's ICBMs. As such, it is in an essential location for early warning systems and ICBM defense. Unless it becomes part of the US, there is no way to enforce territorial sovereignty over the waters surrounding it. Without this, US adversaries can place naval and air forces much closer to Greenland, allowing them to perform a quicker strike against US defenses.

Why is this so hard to understand?
Intelligent Americans get it, but rational thought is lost on the dipshit Democrats. Hell Trump could donate all his wealth to the poor and Democrats would still piss and moan.
 
Good reasoning in parts, but also some errors and overstatements.

👉 Strengths (good points)
  • Location matters: Greenland sits along polar flight paths and near the GIUK gap, so it is strategically useful for early warning, missile-tracking, and monitoring Russian naval/submarine activity.
  • Existing US assets: The US already uses Pituffik (Thule) for missile warning and space surveillance, so the strategic logic for more sensors or defenses there is sound.
  • Shorter approach routes: Polar trajectories reduce time for incoming strikes compared with some other approaches, so northern radars and interceptors contribute to layered defense.

👉 Weaknesses (bad or flawed reasoning)
  • “Sits directly between the US and Russia's ICBMs” is imprecise. ICBM trajectories vary; Greenland is on some polar/semi-polar routes but not a literal chokepoint for all Russian ICBMs. Strategic warning relies on dispersed sensors (satellites, distant radars) not a single island.
  • “Must become part of the US” is unnecessary and false. Sovereignty over Greenland is not required for US access or to enforce maritime control; long-standing defense agreements with Denmark already allow significant US basing and operations. Annexation would be legally, politically, and diplomatically costly and provide little extra technical advantage.
  • Overstates control of surrounding waters. Even if Greenland were independent, Denmark (and international law: EEZs/UNCLOS) and NATO cooperation can—and do—limit adversary operations. Sovereignty over land alone doesn’t automatically prevent other states from operating; presence, surveillance, and allied patrols are the real levers.
  • Assumes adversaries would easily “place naval and air forces much closer.” Russia can already operate in the Arctic where ice permits, but basing, sustainment, and ice conditions limit large-scale, sustained deployments. Proximity is constrained by geography, logistics, and allied monitoring.
  • Ignored alternative defenses and sensors. Modern early warning relies heavily on satellites, over-the-horizon sensors, and allied infrastructure; Greenland is valuable but not the sole critical node.

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Bottom line
  • The general premise—that Greenland is strategically important for early warning and monitoring in the Arctic—is correct.
  • The conclusions that only US ownership can secure those advantages, and that without ownership adversaries can easily gain decisive proximity, are overstated and not supported by how modern deterrence, international law, and allied basing arrangements work.

sources:

Who has the largest fleet of icebreakers in the world? Hint: It is not the US. We have three!
 
I don't think Trump ever really wanted to own the place or annex it somehow, that would take an act of Congress which he probably knows he wouldn't get. So, he threatens to take over Greenland to get the deal that he wants so the US have the authority to deal with any adversarial encroachments. Plus, he doesn't want them to gain access to the oil, gas, and mineral deposits that are said to be under all that ice.

It ain't pretty, but he does end up getting a better deal for the US.
Again, there is virtually zero chance we would allow China or Russia to encroach on Greenland NOW.
 
Again, there is virtually zero chance we would allow China or Russia to encroach on Greenland NOW.

But do we have the legal right to do so according to international law? What exactly is the status quo? Absent the forthcoming agreement, I would suppose not and that is why Trump did what he did. While I have not heard what is specifically stated therein, I suspect there is language that allows us to prevent other countries from building any installations there without permission from Greenland, Denmark, and from us. And it might be that language exists that requires future presidents to intercede as necessary.
 
You obviously don't understand anything.

Denmark is a NATO member as is the USA. (at least for the time being-unless Trump destroys this alliance in the coming month or years) as such it isn't about Denmark solely defending Greenland from any aggressors - but NATO.

Besides your Canada annexation dude - not a single country - specifically not any NATO member has ever recorded Russian or Chinese military assets, anywhere near Greenland, that could or would invade Greenland.

It's pure fiction - used by your Golf of Trump nitwit, do come up with any daily bullshit, to distract from all the problems the narcissistic ****, had promised to solve to his clueless voters and brainwashed supporters.
Another idiot to toss in the STFU bin.
Bye. :fu:
 
But do we have the legal right to do so according to international law? What exactly is the status quo? Absent the forthcoming agreement, I would suppose not and that is why Trump did what he did. While I have not heard what is specifically stated therein, I suspect there is language that allows us to prevent other countries from building any installations there without permission from Greenland, Denmark, and from us. And it might be that language exists that requires future presidents to intercede as necessary.
Trump backed down for one reason.

The Market tanked
 
You act like we would allow Russia or China to build a base there. We would not.

We do not need to own the place to do that stupid

We allowed it to happen in south america. Russia and china and hamas ran wild in venezuela until trump said no more. Get out of our hemisphere. That happened under Rs and Ds.
 
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If one takes a polar view of Greenland, it is obvious that it sits directly between the US and Russia's ICBMs. As such, it is in an essential location for early warning systems and ICBM defense. Unless it becomes part of the US, there is no way to enforce territorial sovereignty over the waters surrounding it. Without this, US adversaries can place naval and air forces much closer to Greenland, allowing them to perform a quicker strike against US defenses.

Why is this so hard to understand?
Yeah, if you think about it, JFK was president when Russia tried to set up nukes in Cuba and back then he and democrats thought that was so agregious that we risked a nuclear war to stop it from happening.

Nowadays we let Russia annex Crimea, invade Ukraine, knowing that Putin doesn't really want to stop just there, we already know Russia has been having a bigger and bigger presence in the Arctic, and somehow democrats don't seem to give a shit if Russia annexes Greenland and it's extremely strategic location. I guess it's because democrats know that if Russia invades Greenland, we can always get together with other world leaders and condemn the action in the strongest possible terms.
 
Trump backed down for one reason.

The Market tanked
There are many reasons, one would also be that the Canada annexation dude, is loosing more and more reasonable Rep. members of Congress. Since he only invents and publicizes fictitious or brainless comments, to simply distract from his disastrous presidency, his empty promises and loads of threatening legal issues, pertaining to his illegal and criminal actions and behavior.
 

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