Green Cars? The Joke's On You!

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The best car I ever had was a 1961 220S Mercedes. Utterly dependable, excellent fuel mileage for it's time, and designed to be worked on.

And second to the Mercedes was a 1980 Rabbit Diesal that I, and the family, traveled all over the US in.

Why are German cars generally superior to American vehicles? I think the primary reason is that the Germans consider reliability and longevity more important than style, and spend their research money accordingly.




A couple of years ago Mercedes-Benz made the bold promise to launch an electric version of its SLS AMG gullwing supercar on the market by the end of 2013. Since then we’ve seen several concept versions of the car, which was labeled the SLS AMG E-Cell, though now we’re getting our first look at the production version, which is called the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Electric Drive and has made its world debut at the 2012 Paris Auto Show.

That name may certainly be a mouthful, but the part that you should concern yourself with is the car’s output, which comes in at a staggering 740 horsepower and 737 pound-feet of torque. Not only does this make the SLS AMG Electric Drive the most powerful electric car currently on the market, but the fastest too.


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Thank you in the name of all German engineers. I have also been reading Skook`s reply to your comment. Sadly there is a bit of truth in it but the flaws he points out in the latest models are not really related to the mechanical aspect of Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, VW, Opel etc.
These same flaws have been plaguing every car that`s been made for over a decade now and also appear in the aviation industry.

Engineers call it "pixel salad". That`s when the digital display becomes almost unreadable. The problem is compounded because nobody makes their own dash- or cockpit instrument displays any more.
All that stuff comes from Asia and most of the other car manufacturers don`t even admit that they have the same "pixel salad" problem.
Mercedes, Audi and BMW are fed up and announced only last week that they will manufacture their own digital dashboard displays as early as next year and do no longer want to install any key components that were manufactured and imported from countries that can`t produce reliable products. The ECM`s (Engine Control Module) for most of the German cars came from Siemens any way and they are totally reliable.
I drive a vintage Ford F-150, which has pulled a full size travel trailer 14 times the full length of the Alaska highway over these high mountain ranges during the summer heat and during extreme cold weather.
The worst incident was when at ~ -50 C the oil in the pan became so stiff that it snapped the shaft that goes down from the distributor to the oil pump. I made it home without any oil pressure over 2 mountain ranges all the way to where I lived . But I would never buy a newer car where almost everything is microprocessor controlled.
I had a brand new Toyota company car for a business trip only a few years ago...drove under a HV power line when there must have been a significant power surge. The car instantly died...everything...every damn switch or button was dead. You can`t even hot-wire the ignition and the starter motor in these cars any more. They are designed to be idiot proof, so that a dimwit who does not know where the oil dipstick is can`t start them if there is no oil in the pan. I don`t care if my wiper fluid is low in my old F-150 during the summer....and I don`t have to stare at a blinking warning light or listen to any annoying beepers till I stop and buy wiper fluid just to shut that f-ing thing up.
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(If you got one of these new-fangled cars that keep beeping or blinking the engine warning icon and won`t shut up, even though every thing under the hood checked out there is a simple trick that still works on almost all makes.
Shut off the ignition. Then turn it on an off 3 times inside 10 seconds. The forth time leave it on but don`t crank the engine.
Now the engine warning icon will blink in Morse code the status of of the entire engine and ancillary sensor system.
All you need is a $10 Haynes EMC computer code book and you won`t have to go to a garage. Most of the time they bullshit you anyway and sell you replacements or repairs you did not need... )
Most of the time that engine warning starts and keeps going because you did not have a pre- scheduled service check. All they do is reset your ECM and stick you with a phony bill. Just unplug the ECM ground wire..turn on the ignition, wait 5 seconds and then re- connect the ground wire....it` won`t cost a dime and that annoying warning is off for the next 20 000 or so klicks
Some of these new idiot proof cars won`t start any more after the passenger slammed his door too hard. There is a normally closed impact sensor switch under the dash on the passenger side is...on the other side of the fire wall is the ECM. When that switch is triggered to open, then the ECM shuts down all the fuel injectors and the fuel pump..."thinking" you just had an accident and are about to go up in a fuel-fire ball.
No garage will want to tell you about this switch, because it`s on the ant-theft circuit and on the same circuit how your car can be disabled remotely from the dealer if you missed a payment. All they do is stick a plastic tool through the panel, reset that switch and tell you they had to replace a defective ECM for mega buck$.
All You have to do is rip of a piece of plastic, cut 2 wires, strip them and bridge that switch, start your car drive away and never be bothered again.
Since I retired I live on a Indian reserve which is surrounded by crook-car dealers and as long as I can help it they won`t make a dime with their dirty "computer" tricks

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But I also still got a VW Rabbit Diesel...actually I threw it away almost 20 years ago...I dumped it on a farm that belongs to a friend.
His boys still use it to go off road joy-riding...the damn thing is indestructible.
I should reclaim it...other than fixing the windows that got busted when these kids played Dukes of Hazard there is not much else to be fixed.

But as a footnote I would like to show you how big of a leap it is from the lab to the real deal.
This example deals with the line-loss problem and how super conductor could overcome this SERIOUS problem in long range HV power transmission lines.
It`s just an example, but it also applies to battery research, Solar and wind-power:
http://www.newscientist.de/inhalt/supraleiter-neue-technik-in-essen-a-889857.html
Der lange Marsch zum kalten Draht

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"The long march to the cold wire"
Germany`s switch to "green power" makes it imperative that these "cold wire" transmission lines are fully operational in 2020 at the latest and at least for the 110 KV power lines...else it`s back to the conventional power generating method, where line losses do not cause an energy shortage.
At the smaller lab scale energy budget experiments the power required to supply the liquid Nitrogen mantle was not really an issue..but already at the pilot plant level sized trial runs it posed a severe problem, because the N2 cooling consumes just as much power at low currents as it does at max-power being transmitted.

Battery technology also hits the same brick wall, because Lithium is as good as it possibly can get. There is no other electrode with a higher EMF and that`s all there is to it. Lab runs with liquid metal electrodes are one thing...but a whole different kettle of fish when you go full scale.
I`ve been around this bend lots of time during my career and can tell you that full-scaling is by far the most difficult section of the path from researching and testing new ideas to full scale implementation.
But back to the cars..
The only way I could be convinced to buy the newest and the latest is when they make the rest of the car as reliable and indestructible as these f-ing set belt buzzers.
My first American car when I arrived here from Germany was a Plymouth "De-Soto" I think it was called. I bought that rust-bucket for $ 20 in Montreal because I could not wait to try out a "boat". It had a push button transmission and when I stepped on the gas the seat separated from the rusted out floor boards...but it laid rubber like a Porsche 911. When I drove it out of the scarp-yard where I bought it the transmission had no fluid in it and they did not have any.
It did just fine after we poured in a few quarts of tap-water.
That`s what I call a car...!!!!
I fixed it up and it was my "Christine" for ~ 5 years till I broke through the ice and got it stuck for good in a creek way up north in Quebec.
I bet you anything if I would pull it out and boost it I could drive it from there all the way to Manitoba right now.
 
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No, we're pissed that an imbecile is in the WH. His ethnicity is irrelevent.

Because GW was such a smart guy, now we need his bro?

Obama has a Nobel Prize. If they give that to imbeciles, why don't YOU have one? :lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol: Who ever said I liked any of the Bushes? Be that as it may, at least both Bushes could actually FLY an aircraft. Obummer got a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE which is a political award you dumbass. Then he promptly attacked someone else.

What a complete asshat you are.
You're just jealous that a black man is better than you are. :lol:
 
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Because GW was such a smart guy, now we need his bro?

Obama has a Nobel Prize. If they give that to imbeciles, why don't YOU have one? :lol:

:lol::lol::lol::lol: Who ever said I liked any of the Bushes? Be that as it may, at least both Bushes could actually FLY an aircraft. Obummer got a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE which is a political award you dumbass. Then he promptly attacked someone else.

What a complete asshat you are.
You're just jealous that a black man is better than you are. :lol:






Higher paid does not equal better. I have nothing that prevents me from sleeping well on my concience unlike Obummer. But, it's allways nice to see the racist asshats reveal themselves.
 
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:lol::lol::lol::lol: Who ever said I liked any of the Bushes? Be that as it may, at least both Bushes could actually FLY an aircraft. Obummer got a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE which is a political award you dumbass. Then he promptly attacked someone else.

What a complete asshat you are.
You're just jealous that a black man is better than you are. :lol:

Higher paid does not equal better. I have nothing that prevents me from sleeping well on my concience unlike Obummer. But, it's allways nice to see the racist asshats reveal themselves.

Ya, I'M racist because you can't handle a smart black man like Obama.
 
You're just jealous that a black man is better than you are. :lol:

Higher paid does not equal better. I have nothing that prevents me from sleeping well on my concience unlike Obummer. But, it's allways nice to see the racist asshats reveal themselves.

Ya, I'M racist because you can't handle a smart black man like Obama.





No, you're a racist because you simply are. Obama is certainly smart...so why doesn't he exhibit said smarts and actually do something that is good for the country. I voted for him the first time moron, but not the second because in the end he proved himself to be an even worse example of the corrupt politician he claimed to want to get rid of.

You see dipshit, a persons color is meaningless to me (There is black in my family tree, as well as American Indian, and even some Asian:eusa_shhh:) so you see dear racist I could care less what ethnicity someone is....I care about the job he was elected to do...and he is terrible at it.

One of the worst ever.
 
If that were the criteria, you'd have a ******* warehouse full of them.

if you hadn't won them all first. :D


That was about as lame as would be expected from the likes of you.
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Nice dog ! Is that your pet?...looks like he can`t wait for you to throw the ball so that he can spin his tires.
Some people might call you a racist because your dog`s fur hair-color quota does not measure up.
It fails to be "inclusive" to reflect the other minorities.
I`m German and if I buy a German-shepherd I might run a risk being called a Nazi. Just like Pat Buchanan, Democrats called him a Nazi because he drove a Mercedes. Yes we live in strange times where so many people claim they are sooo educated, sooo sophisticated and sooo "liberal" that you can`t dare criticize anybody any more, unless that person is either a "******" or a Christian. Democrats feel free to offend them as much and as often as possible
Everybody else has a "right not to be offended" which trumps the freedom of speech rights.
We might as well take down the stars and stripes and hoist the hammer and sickle
I left Germany in 1967 that was a long time before everything got so politically correct. When I started my job at Ayerst Research in Montreal there were 11 of us sitting at the coffee table and it turned out we were from 11 different countries and ethnic backgrounds.
Now after decades of liberal brainwash there is no way a French Canadian would sit next to an "Anglo" or that an Arab would have coffee with a Chemist from Israel. In liberal governed Quebec they already got Orwell`s language police. The government fines restaurant owners because they spell coffee with 1 too many f`s and threaten to close Italian pasta joints because it says Pasta on their menus
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/02/20/montreal-language-pasta-translation.html
While they demand from the rest of Canada that everything is bilingual,...even a parking ticket in Calgary where nobody speaks French.
They even tried to sue an airline when a "language police" inspector could not order his Coca Cola en francais...and that was on a flight to New York.
After that the airline and the President (G.W.Bush) of the country where New York is was a "racist" after the inspector was told by flight attendants to calm down
Everything has been polarized by liberal democrats who wear tolerance on their sleeves but practice vile hatred and play the race or gender trump card at every opportunity.
In Wisconsin "privileged white" school kids are supposed to wear a white band indicating that they are apologizing for who they are...as demanded by liberal & unionized school teachers who tried to recall their conservative Governor and failed. So now they take it out on the kids who`s parents voted conservative.
I`d rather have a rattlesnake under my pillow than vote a democrat into office.
And sure as shit, I won`t drive an Obama version of Adolf Hitler`s mandated "people`s car" no matter with how with much tax$$$ Der Fuehrer in the White House subsidizes it.
 
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Higher paid does not equal better. I have nothing that prevents me from sleeping well on my concience unlike Obummer. But, it's allways nice to see the racist asshats reveal themselves.

Ya, I'M racist because you can't handle a smart black man like Obama.





No, you're a racist because you simply are. Obama is certainly smart...so why doesn't he exhibit said smarts and actually do something that is good for the country. I voted for him the first time moron, but not the second because in the end he proved himself to be an even worse example of the corrupt politician he claimed to want to get rid of.

You see dipshit, a persons color is meaningless to me (There is black in my family tree, as well as American Indian, and even some Asian:eusa_shhh:) so you see dear racist I could care less what ethnicity someone is....I care about the job he was elected to do...and he is terrible at it.

One of the worst ever.

See what I mean...if you refuse to drive a politically correct car, that`s already enough for a democrat to call you a racist + any other derogatory label that comes to mind. What`s the matter with those people?
Is it only the ones who had a sex change and did not adjust their hormones or is it that they are the screaming minority and the rest ain`t so bad?
 
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Good thing all you douchesacks weren't around when the Wright brothers started to fly airplanes, you all would have laughed at them: "Hey you morons, stop wasting your time flying 100 feet!!!" :lol:
 
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Why electric cars are doomed = resale value is complete shit!!!

But dont take my word for it >>>>>>

Why the Electric Car Is Doomed to Fail | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance

Used Toyota RAV4-EV Sells for $67,300 on eBay

1 May 2006







The RAV4-EV


A 2003 Toyota RAV4-EV auctioned on eBay went to the winning bidder for a price of $67,300.

Toyota began sales of the RAV4 Electric Vehicle (EV) to California retail customers in March 2002 after five years of leasing to utilities and other corporations that operate vehicle fleets. Toyota then ceased production of EV in 2003.
 
Why electric cars are doomed = resale value is complete shit!!!

But dont take my word for it >>>>>>

Why the Electric Car Is Doomed to Fail | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance

Used Toyota RAV4-EV Sells for $67,300 on eBay

1 May 2006







The RAV4-EV


A 2003 Toyota RAV4-EV auctioned on eBay went to the winning bidder for a price of $67,300.

Toyota began sales of the RAV4 Electric Vehicle (EV) to California retail customers in March 2002 after five years of leasing to utilities and other corporations that operate vehicle fleets. Toyota then ceased production of EV in 2003.
Yes and that was a once only one day wonder that`s why it made headlines...that 2003 Toyota RAV4 EV on eBay for $67,300
Let me google that for you

In California you could probably auction off an "Avro car" for a 7 digit price tag too
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California has probably the largest collection of eccentrics, not that there is something wrong with Californians. It`s one of those places where mother nature does not have the death penalty for stupidity. There is no risk that you might loose your life if your car runs out of juice.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21806043
Hungary uses tanks to reach snowbound motorists
On Friday afternoon, the interior ministry sent text messages to all mobile phone subscribers, telling people to stay in their cars as long as their fuel lasted, then move to other vehicles to stay warm.
How long could that guy last who bought this Toyota RAV4-EV for 67 000 on ebay ?

All a housewife in California has to do is call 911 and minutes later there is an Emergency Response Team there if she locked herself out of her house or her own car.
 
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Why electric cars are doomed = resale value is complete shit!!!

But dont take my word for it >>>>>>

Why the Electric Car Is Doomed to Fail | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance

Used Toyota RAV4-EV Sells for $67,300 on eBay

1 May 2006







The RAV4-EV


A 2003 Toyota RAV4-EV auctioned on eBay went to the winning bidder for a price of $67,300.

Toyota began sales of the RAV4 Electric Vehicle (EV) to California retail customers in March 2002 after five years of leasing to utilities and other corporations that operate vehicle fleets. Toyota then ceased production of EV in 2003.
I`m not trying to knock you down because of your views on electric propulsion. The motor has never been the problem, it has and always will be the damned battery problem. The battery that could replace a 30 gallon fuel tank with a equivalent weight and size will never exist...that is a certainty....unless you want to use nuclear batteries like we use up in the arctic or on satellites for cars. The military industrial research industry recruits the brightest and the best and they have been working on Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) for nearly a century now. They are not even trying to do this with batteries any more because unlike enviro-activists they can think outside of the proverbial box. A conventional (air breathing) gasoline or diesel engine is a "heat engine" and this is where all the research has focused on...to make an AIP heat engine:
Gotland-class attack submarine
Kockums-built Stirling engine Air Independent Propulsion (AIP)
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Ripasso Energy

In 2009 Kockums entered into a licence agreement with Ripasso Energy AB regarding concentrated solar energy solutions based on Kockums Stirling engine.
First stirling power plant in Sweden
By 2020, the City of Malmö will be climate neutral and by 2030, the whole municipality will run on 100% renewable energy.
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Swedish Kockums (Stirling), is owned by German company ThyssenKrupp
The German Dolphin class subs are all being retrofitted with "plug in" Kockums Sterling AIP modules.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/germany-may-sell-2-more-dolphin-subs-to-israel-for-117b-01528/
The AIP system chosen for the 3 newest Dolphin boats (#4-6) has not specified. While HDW owns Kockums AB and its successful Stirling AIP system
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, it also has its own technology using Siemens PEM hydrogen fuel cells. This HDW system is used in the U212/214 Class
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, which the Dolphins resemble and which are also derived from the U209 1300/1400
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subs.
The big mistake is that EV R&D is obsessed with trying to come up with a battery to power an electric motor.
It`s much easier to use battery chemistry to generate some electricity but instead of only electricity generate mostly heat and use the little bit of electricity but use the heat for a Kockums AIP to power something up
The military had extremely effectice "flameless heaters" but they were too dangerous because these also generate a large amount of hydrogen gas.
That may be a problem in a tent while GI`s light up a smoke, but H2 would be an additional source of power for a Kockums Sterling engine.
Even without that hydrogen these heaters that consist only of Aluminum and Magnesium powder generate per size almost as much heat as an equivalent amount of gasoline when you add water and a little bit of salt as an accelerator. There are no exhaust gasses except for hydrogen and you could run the water through a membrane electrode and even get electricity out of it the same way it`s done in a fuel cell.
Aluminum and Magnesium are also way cheaper than Lithium and the contents of such a flameless heater can be easily recycled.
We make tons of it and recycle tons of it per hour just at the Kitimat plant in BC Canada alone.
"Thermite" is another example of an air independent heat source and is very cheap to make. All you need is some cheap iron ore, oxidize it,powder it and add some Aluminum:
Fe2O3 + 2 Al → 2 Fe + Al2O3
See? No CO2 !
And when you burned it you can recycle the Iron and the Aluminum. It`s no problem to slow down the reaction rate so that a Sterling engine does not melt down.
 
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The point that Chic is trying to make is that Electric Cars arent 100% environmentally friendly. But, who cares...I think the only thing that is 100% Environmentally friendly is a horse and carriage. Not even a bike uses some sort of energy and waste to manufacture.

But the Electric car movement isnt about being 100% environmentally friendly...Its about being environmentally friendlier...Dont let them move the goal posts on you
 
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Why electric cars are doomed = resale value is complete shit!!!

But dont take my word for it >>>>>>

Why the Electric Car Is Doomed to Fail | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance

Used Toyota RAV4-EV Sells for $67,300 on eBay

1 May 2006












The RAV4-EV


A 2003 Toyota RAV4-EV auctioned on eBay went to the winning bidder for a price of $67,300.

Toyota began sales of the RAV4 Electric Vehicle (EV) to California retail customers in March 2002 after five years of leasing to utilities and other corporations that operate vehicle fleets. Toyota then ceased production of EV in 2003.







As usual, you omit the most recent data. I believe that's called LYING!


"The used value reached a peak of over $60,000 at the 3-year mark. Sales are now happening in the $20k area. There are no NEW ones for sale, but the used ones do come up every now and again. Most are sold on eBay, though many have luck selling them on our Rav4EV email list as well."


2002 Toyota RAV4 EV for sale | PluginCars.com
 
Good thing all you douchesacks weren't around when the Wright brothers started to fly airplanes, you all would have laughed at them: "Hey you morons, stop wasting your time flying 100 feet!!!" :lol:





The Wright brothers did it on their own with no money taken from the poor to subsidize the rich.

Thanks for playing but as usual your head is firmly planted in your ass.
 
The point that Chic is trying to make is that Electric Cars arent 100% environmentally friendly. But, who cares...I think the only thing that is 100% Environmentally friendly is a horse and carriage. Not even a bike uses some sort of energy and waste to manufacture.

But the Electric car movement isnt about being 100% environmentally friendly...Its about being environmentally friendlier...Dont let them move the goal posts on you






The problem is they are MORE environmentally damaging than an internal combustion engine powered vehicle to produce.

And by a long way.
 
The point that Chic is trying to make is that Electric Cars arent 100% environmentally friendly. But, who cares...I think the only thing that is 100% Environmentally friendly is a horse and carriage. Not even a bike uses some sort of energy and waste to manufacture.

But the Electric car movement isnt about being 100% environmentally friendly...Its about being environmentally friendlier...Dont let them move the goal posts on you






The problem is they are MORE environmentally damaging than an internal combustion engine powered vehicle to produce.

And by a long way.


To PRODUCE...after that tho its on the plus side
 
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