Greatest Threat in the Coming Century

[Turboswede]

As a father with baby #2 on the way I have been giving a lot of thought lately to the challenges facing America over the next 92 years. In my analysis the greatest threat we still face is a global war against another industrial power. It may be that you can take the boy out of the cold war but you can’t take the cold war out of the boy.

I still feel strongly that global terrorism is a threat on a local/regional level but does not pose a general threat to continued US hegemony. As the next 100 years will probably remove oil as the primary lubricant of capitalism, I can see the Middle East becoming less and less relevant politically over the next 50 years. While many people seem to lump Iran into the “terrorist threat” camp, I do appreciate the threat posed by a nuclear Iran and support exploring all options to limit their acquisition of nuclear weapons. Iran is also the only Middle Eastern country that possesses a significant indigenously developed industrial base (ex. Israel).

Another significant issue will be the emergence of China as a true rival for US economic and then Military power. We have a lot of experience in dealing with Russia’s global aspirations but China is far more difficult. As we have employed China as a counter to Russia for the past 40 years we will probably need to develop a bond with India to counter China’s expansion of power.

Anyway, does anyone have an opinion they would like to share with the group?

 

[DavidS]

The three biggest threats are:

China, China and... China.

 

[Sunni Man]

the Three Biggest Threats Are:

China, China And... China.

let Me Second That

china!!!!

 

[Andrew2382]

Biggest threat is

People with the intelligence of
David David David.


China is totally dependent on the United States, their economy is basically one in the same with our own

 

[rayboyusmc]

China already owns US. They won't attack US because it would lose them money.

they are the biggest threat to our so called world dominance.

 

[editec]

Greatest threat?

Zombies.

Why?

I don't really know.

But according to one famous movie about Zombies, why they're all so pissed off is apparently because it hurts to be dead.

 

[random3434]

This may be an illogical thought, but...

I worry about some sort of enemy to the USA contaminating our drinking water. What a better way to posion millions of people, with what we use every day.

Is that odd that I worry about that?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

China isn't a threat to the United States until they come looking for all the money we owe them, then we've got a serious problem.

The biggest threat, as I see it, to the United States in the near future is the federal government. This is not just because Obama will be President either, I'd have the same concerns if McCain had won. The federal government, and the executive branch in particular, is gaining more and more power at an alarming rate. These recent bailouts set a dangerous precedent, and our economy is headed for even rougher times ahead. Our government is no longer "for the people," the government is now looking out for itself and it's corporate friends. I have a feeling that our government is going to become more and more tyrannical as the years progress.

 

[B94]

Greatest Threat in the Coming Century

New World Order / One World Government

 

[Truthmatters]

Same as it ever was, military industrial complex.

 

[dilloduck]

Same as it ever was, military industrial complex.

What state is that located in now ?

 

[AVG-JOE]

If We, The People of the USA can't learn to tolerate Americans with lifestyles and / or beliefs that we don't share, our politics will continue to be dominated by irrelevant issues and infighting, making our nation more vulnerable to invasion or obsoleteness with every passing election.

China won't have to take it from us... our bickering will give it to them.

-Joe

 

[Truthmatters]

What state is that located in now ?

The sad part is that you dont realise that it is global.

The people who make weapons sell to all parts of the globe.


http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=19

 

[dilloduck]

The sad part is that you dont realise that it is global.

The people who make weapons sell to all parts of the globe.

The real sad thought is that you have never had an original thought in you life.

Who exactly are these weapons makers, TM ? Who is their boss ?

 

[Sunni Man]

The biggest threat, as I see it, to the United States in the near future is the federal government. This is not just because Obama will be President either, I'd have the same concerns if McCain had won. The federal government, and the executive branch in particular, is gaining more and more power at an alarming rate. These recent bailouts set a dangerous precedent, and our economy is headed for even rougher times ahead. Our government is no longer "for the people," the government is now looking out for itself and it's corporate friends. I have a feeling that our government is going to become more and more tyrannical as the years progress.

REX 84

FEMA And REX 84

In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Directorate Number 54 that allowed FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the code name of REX 84. The exercise was to test FEMA's readiness to assume military authority in the event of a "State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching of a direct United States military operation in Central America. The plan called for the deputation of U.S. military and National Guard units so that they could legally be used for domestic law enforcement. These units would be assigned to conduct sweeps and take into custody an estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the United States. The immigrants would be interned at 10 detention centers to be set up at military bases throughout the country. REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal security doors were placed on the fifth floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. Even long-standing employees of the Civil Defense of the Federal Executive Department possessing the highest possible security clearances were not being allowed through the newly installed metal security doors. Only personnel wearing a special red Christian cross or crucifix lapel pin were allowed into the premises. Lt. Col. North was responsible for drawing up the emergency plan, which U.S. Attorney General William French Smith opposed vehemently.

The plan called for the suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and the declaration of Martial Law. The Presidential Executive Orders to support such a plan were already in place. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of a least 21 million American Negroes in the event of massive rioting or disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

The second known time that FEMA stood by was in 1990 when Desert Storm was enacted. Prior to President Bush's invasion of Iraq, FEMA began to draft new legislation to increase its already formidable powers. One of the elements incorporated into the plan was to set up operations within any state or locality without the prior permission of local or state authorities. Such prior permission has always been required in the past. Much of the mechanism being set into place was in anticipation of the economic collapse of the Western World. The war with Iraq may have been conceived as a ploy to boost the bankrupt economy, but it only pushed the West into deeper recession.

The third scenario for FEMA came with the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King brutality verdict. Had the rioting spread to other cities, FEMA would have been empowered to step in. As it was, major rioting only occurred in the Los Angeles area, thus preventing a pretext for a FEMA response. On July 5, 1987, the Miami Herald published reports on FEMA's new goals. The goal was to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent, or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad. Lt. Col. North was the architect. National Security Directive Number 52 issued in August 1982, pertains to the "Use of National Guard Troops to Quell Disturbances." The crux of the problem is that FEMA has the power to turn the United States into a police state in time of a real crisis or a manufactured crisis. Lt. Col. North virtually established the apparatus for dictatorship. Only the criticism of the Attorney General prevented the plans from being adopted. But intelligence reports indicate that FEMA has a folder with 22 Executive Orders for the President to sign in case of an emergency. It is believed those Executive Orders contain the framework of North's concepts, delayed by criticism but never truly abandoned.

Now, FEMA is on stand by once again. Due to the terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon, and the ensuing "war on terror" known as Operation Enduring Freedom, the president can declare martial law under the guise of "national security."

The crisis, as the government now see it, is civil unrest. For generations, the government was concerned with nuclear war, but the violent and disruptive demonstrations that surrounded the Vietnam War era prompted President Nixon to change the direction of emergency powers from war time to times of domestic unrest. Diana Raynolds, program director of the Edward R. Murrow Center, summed up the dangers of FEMA today and the public reaction to martial law in a drug crisis: "It was James Madison's worst nightmare that a righteous faction would someday be strong enough to sweep away the Constitutional restraints designed by the framers to prevent the tyranny of centralized power, excessive privilege, an arbitrary governmental authority over the individual. These restraints, the balancing and checking of powers among branches and layers of government, and the civil guarantees, would be the first casualties in a drug-induced national security state with Reagan's Civil Emergency Preparedness unleashed. Nevertheless, there would be those who would welcome NSC (National Security Council) into the drug fray, believing that increasing state police powers to emergency levels is the only way left to fight American's enemy within. In the short run, a national security state would probably be a relief to those whose personal security and quality of life has been diminished by drugs or drug related crime. And, as the general public watches the progression of institutional chaos and social decay, they too may be willing to pay the ultimate price, one drug free America for 200 years of democracy."

The first targets in any FEMA emergency would be Hispanics and Blacks. The FEMA orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters, demonstrators against government military intervention outside U.S. borders, and people who maintain weapons in their homes are also targets. Operation Trojan Horse is a program designed to learn the identity of potential opponents to martial law. The program lures potential protesters into public forums, conducted by a "hero" of the people who advocates survival training. The list of names gathered at such meetings and rallies are computerized and then targeted in case of an emergency.

The most shining example of America to the world has been its peaceful transition of government from one administration to another. Despite crises of great magnitude, the United States has maintained its freedom and liberty. This nation now stands on the threshold of rule by non-elected people asserting non-Constitutional powers. Even Congress cannot review a Martial Law action until six months after it has been declared. For the first time in American history, the reigns of government would not be transferred from one elected element to another, but the Constitution, itself, can be suspended. The scenarios established to trigger FEMA into action are generally found in the society today: economic collapse, civil unrest, drug problems, terrorist attacks, and protests against American intervention in a foreign country. All these premises exist, it could only be a matter of time in which one of these triggers the entire emergency necessary to bring FEMA into action, and then it may be too late, because under the FEMA plan, there is no contingency by which Constitutional power is restored.

There are now over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

www.uweb.txstate.edu/~lf14/conspire/rex84.html

 

[Turboswede]

REX 84
In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Directorate Number 54 that allowed FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the code name of REX 84.

Judging by FEMAs effectiveness in New Orleans, I think we should be fine.

 

[Turboswede]

The real sad thought is that you have never had an original thought in you life.

Who exactly are these weapons makers, TM ? Who is their boss ?

Acutronic
Accenture Ltd.
Aerojet
Aerospace Center Support
Aerospace Corporation
Advanced Integrated Systems
Alliant Techsystems
Allied Container Systems
Allied-Signal Inc.
AM General Corporation
American Petroleum Institute
Anteon International Corporation
Applied Research Associates Inc.
ARINC
Argon ST
AV-Optimal Defense Consultancy Service
BAE Systems plc (U.S. subsidiary is BAE Systems Inc.)
Ball Corporation
Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp.
Bath Iron Works
Battelle Memorial Institute
BBN Technologies
Bechtel Corporation
BDM Corporation
Blazeware Inc.
Boecore
Boeing Company
Boeing Sikorsky Comanche Team
Boeing SVS
Booz Allen Hamilton
British Nuclear Fuels Limited
CACI International Inc.
Carlyle Group
Carnegie Mellon University
Charles Stark Draper Laboratory
CNA Corporation
Concurrent Technologies Corporation
CSA Engineering
Computer Sciences Corporation
Decibel Research Inc.
Defense Technologies Inc.
DHB Industries
Digital System Resources Inc.
DRS Technologies
DynCorp
Earth Class Mail
East/West Industries, Inc.
Edison Welding Institute
EDO Corporation
Elbit Systems of America (the United States division of Israeli-based Elbit, operating through subsidiaries IEI, Kollsman, and EFW)
Electronic Data Systems Corporation
Electric Boat (division of General Dynamics)
ENSCO, Inc.
Environmental Tectonics Corporation
Evergreen International Aviation
Exxon Corporation
F M C Technologies
Foster Wheeler Ltd.
Foundation Health Systems Inc.
Gemini Industries Inc.
General Atomic Technologies Company
General Dynamics
General Electric's Military Jet Engines Division
Geo-Centers Inc.
Goodrich Corporation
GTE
Georgia Tech Research Institute
Harris Corporation
Halliburton Corporation
Health Net, Inc.
Hewlett-Packard
Honeywell
Hughes Electronics Corporation
Humana Inc.
IBM
Infotech Aerospace Services (a Pratt & Whitney joint venture)
Institute for Defense Analyses
Intelsat
International Resources Group
ITT Corporation Inc.
ITT Research Institute
Jacobs Engineering Group Inc.
JGB Enterprises, Inc.
Johns Hopkins University
JPS Communications (wholly owned subsidiary of Raytheon)
Kaman Aircraft
Kearfott Guidance & Navigation Corporation
Kellogg, Brown and Root
Kongsberg Protech
L-3 Communications Holdings, Inc.
Brashear
Lockheed Martin
Longbow Limited Liability Inc.
M7 Aerospace
MacGregor Group (part of Cargotec corporation)
Maersk Line and Patriot Contract Services
Marconi Corporation PLC
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Maytag Aircraft Corporation
McDonnell Douglas Corporation (wholly owned subsidiary of Boeing)
MITRE Corporation; also see ANSER Institute for Homeland Security
Mitretek Systems Inc.; see MITRE Corporation and ANSER Institute for Homeland Security
Mitsubishi
Motorola Inc.
NASSCO Holdings Inc.
Nextel
Nichols Research Corporation
Northrop Grumman Corporation
Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems
Northrop Grumman Information Technologies
Northrop Grumman Integrated Systems
Northrop Grumman Mission Systems
Northrop Grumman Newport News (formerly Newport News Shipbuilding & Drydock Company)
Northrop Grumman Ships Systems
Northrop Grumman Space Technology
Northrop Grumman Technical Services
Ocean Shipholdings Inc.
Olin Corporation; also see John M. Olin and John M. Olin Foundation
Omega Training Group
Orbital Sciences Corporation
Pennsylvania State University
Pratt & Whitney (division of United Technologies)
Private Military Corporations
Private Federal Corporations
Quantum3D
Raytheon
Rockwell Collins
RONCO (de-mining operations Horn of Africa)
Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC)
Shell Oil Company
Siemens AG
Sikorsky Aircraft Company
SFA, Inc.
SGIS
SPARTA, Inc.
Spectrum Astro
SRI International
Stanley, Inc.
Standard Missile Company LLC
Stevedoring Services of America
Stewart and Stevenson
Sverdrup Corporation
SYColeman (subsidiary of L-3 Communications)
Talla-Tech
TCom
Textron Inc.
Bell Helicopter Textron
Tri-Star Engineering, Inc.
Tyco International Ltd.
University of Texas System
Unisys Corporation
United Industrial Corporation
United Technologies
URS Corporation
USmax Corporation
US Falcon
Verdian Corporation
Verizon Communications
Vinnell Corporation
Vinnell Brown and Root
Washington Group International
Westinghouse Electric Corporation
Worldcorp Inc.
Wyvern Technologies, Aerospace & Defense Contractors

Their "Bosses" are the shareholders of the corporations, mostly mutual fund managers.

 

[random3434]

Damn! That's a long list~

 

[Turboswede]

Damn! That's a long list~

Hey, and if your pension is Managed by TIAA CREFF about 60% the money to finance your retirement will come from those companies. WE are the military industrial complex now.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

The Greatest threat to Individual Liberty is the intellectual deficiency of the ideological left... But that's perfectly understandable given that the ideological left is the vehicle by which the stupid find their voice.