Like I said before, and I'll reiterate again. Both sides in this thread are guilty. There is no conversation. This shit belongs in the flame zone.
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Then you're just caving in to the paid govt shills. Whenever a thread comes along they can't refute they turn it into a name-calling contest to get it sent to the badlands dungeon. Posters like rightwinger should be banned perm for doing that.
It's not a matter of, "can't refute." It's a matter of not wanting the issue before the public's attention. If they drag a thread down into the mud, are you going to play that game, or elevate the conversation? If you are going to play that game, then the thread belongs in the mud.
So. . . .
Fine, then let it go there. Chalk it up to a win in your book then, right? Otherwise, at all times, be respectful, no matter how much garbage is shoveled your way. Always try to see where others are coming from. If you think they are paid to post here, then try to understand who is paying them and why they would want to be paid to post.
Wouldn't you like to be paid to post views you truly believe in? I sure as hell would. One would have to be an idiot not to want to be paid to post. I probably wouldn't want to be paid out of taxpayer supported funds, which is where I am sure the majority of this money is coming from.
However, through my research, I have found out that a lot of this money is actually coming from private foundations. So, you can't really say it is "govt shills." More often than not, they tend to be "shills" of social engineering foundations linked to either a Soros, Koch Brother, Gates, or similar foundation. Sometimes, when it concerns media, oft times it is linked to Annenberg, or when it comes to forums especially, look no further than the James Randi foundation. All of these are private foundations devoted to social engineering. All of them have been in on the clandestine social engineering meetings that take place through out the years at places akin to the CFR, but even further afield. (I saw on one of those island retreats, Oprah even attended!

) You've heard of TED TALKS, right? Well, yeah, you get the picture.
We could start a whole new thread on it, but what would be the point? What is discussed in those meetings is undisclosed, the best info we have was so dated, (from the Dodd report to the Reece Committee back in 1954, getting to the root of the matter is beyond the pale, isn't it? It's best to work together in common cause.)
So if you are going to stir shit up, be prepared for the stink. When the stink comes, instead of complaining "farts," it is best to soldier on, otherwise, there is no honor in "the good fight." Just by the establishment putting your topic in a sub-forum called, "Conspiracy Theories," that is two strikes against you already. When people post in your thread, either drunk, high, or out of touch, you HAVE NO CREDIBILITY. NONE. Even less when you post tit for tat. They are goading you, and you let them.
Remember, everyone that posts an opposing view to your own, even if they are paid? Chances are they are Americans, they are your brothers and sisters, even if they do not share your point of view. They are the very people you are trying to save, right? To insult them is to lose the fight. Even I forget that sometimes too.