Government Take-Over of Rental Housing

[MinTrut]

You know what?

I'm on pins & needles...

They should just increase the minimum wage again so everyone can afford the higher rents.

Should they, & can people then afford higher rents?

Problem solved.

I'm not so sure about that.

Where's my Nobel Prize?

Sorry Charlie.

Is your hair actually on fire?

Is yours?

 

[MinTrut]

The employers of those areas bear responsibility.

Surprising comment.

If they are not paying wages that allow for housing, then they should, granted.

Are you the person who supports a maximum wage?

Many employers when faced with similar circumstances have purchased housing to provide for their employees similar to what the military has always done and most colleges do.

I'm not sure that's a solution; military housing can be horrible, and students must pay for housing as well - it's not free.

The government, my tax dollars have no responsibility to provide housing.

How do you propose the MASSIVE crisis be addressed?

 

[MinTrut]

At my last job I had coworkers that drove 45 minutes or more to work and back every day.

Gas is $4/gallon most places, and areas 2+ hours away from jobs no longer affordable - the economic math is very bad for millions of REALLY good people.

Something has to give.

They didn't like the Cleveland area and opted for peace and quiet out in nearly crime-free towns.

Great, but not the situation in most places now - these are anecdotes from bygone days.

It was worth it to them.

Great, but not the situation now.

As a landlord myself I just want to tell you that our prices reflect our costs.

Okay.

When you live in a place like Seattle or any commie town, cost of living is much higher, taxes are much higher, labor to have work done is much higher.

Yup.

Instead of trying to control rents, why not start voting the people out that actually created this environment?

Sounds good, but the MASSIVE affordable housing crisis must still be addressed.

 

[MinTrut]

The US government for decades has provided housing.

Somewhat.

They are called projects, and anybody that doesn't make enough for their own housing can get into them.

Actually, no.

No, housing is not a right, but even if you think it is, suburban housing is not.

It is; perhaps and perhaps not.

 

[MinTrut]

So what's wrong with finding roommates?

In some places, they're packing 5+ people into 1BR apartments. THAT doesn't create huge problems...

It was very popular in the 60's when a lot of people could not afford rents.

It's not the 60s.

 

[MinTrut]

Nitwitted communist comment----

If you say so - I didn't realize you were a communist.

I must confess that I REALLY don't like communists.

If you don't have people making a profit renting out properties, you won't have properties to rent creating massive homelessness even among people who realize that it isn't everyone else's responsibility to take care of them.

We need to address the MASSIVE affordable housing crisis.

What do you propose?

All ideas considered. including any communist stuff you might propose.

 

[MinTrut]

No basic human right is the right to be an adult and take care of your basics.

Sure; housing/food/water/healthcare are still basic human rights.

This isn't everyone elses responsibility....but yours.

Sounds good; see above.

 

[MinTrut]

You can repeat yourself all you want but the fact remains the opportunity to obtain housing is available to everyone.

You can repeat yourself all you want, but the fact remains that we are in a MASSIVE affordable housing crisis.

Obtaining that housing is part of your personal responsibility--not mine, not the governments.

Housing is a basic human right.

If you are advocating for taxpayer funded housing for all, not on your life, comrade.

What do YOU propose to address the MASSIVE affordable housing crisis?

 

[Turtlesoup]

If you say so - I didn't realize you were a communist.

I must confess that I REALLY don't like communists.

We need to address the MASSIVE affordable housing crisis.

What do you propose?

All ideas considered. including any communist stuff you might propose.

Stop allowing illegals in, end the anchor BS and deport all trash back across the border...this would free up housing and push up wages. End Welfare as we know it----to stop encouraging druggies to have trash kids creating a demand for housing. Unlike you know, doing something stupid like calling housing a right pushing landlords out of renting creating a housing crisis.

 

[MinTrut]

Still haven't figured out---that without landlords making a profit, there will be a shortage of rental units making people homeless?

What? (This doesn't make sense to me.)

Why can't you grasp this unless you have never not lived in government housing........

Spewing insults does not advance the conversation; try to make your points clearly and politely - thanks!

 

[MinTrut]

Stop allowing illegals in, end the anchor BS and deport all trash back across the border...this would free up housing and push up wages.

Agree 100%. That might even solve the ENTIRE problem, including spiking wages.

End Welfare as we know it----to stop encouraging druggies to have trash kids creating a demand for housing.

Agree.

Unlike you know, doing something stupid like calling housing a right pushing landlords out of renting creating a housing crisis.

Housing is a BASIC human right, and I never proposed this.

 

[Turtlesoup]

What? (This doesn't make sense to me.)

Spewing insults does not advance the conversation; try to make your points clearly and politely - thanks!

Of course it doesn't make sense to you.....I know this so I will T Y P E slower.

Landlords create housing units ONLY because there is a profit to be made in doing so. Ending the incentive (taking the profit out of creating housing rental units) means that landlords stop making the rental units which will lead to a shortage of rental housing creating more HOMELESS pumpkin.

Socialists/communists are always to stupid to figure out cause and effect. Even now I think you still will not understand this simple fact. This is as nice as I get about it.....I despise certain qualities in people...stupidity and those playing games always piss me off and since I am an honest person, I don't hide my disdain for either type of person.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Agree 100%. That might even solve the ENTIRE problem, including spiking wages.

Agree.

Housing is a BASIC human right, and I never proposed this.

You do not have a right to housing babe-------------you have the right to seek out a living to support yourself getting and paying for a home. The government and taxpayers are not your mommy.

 

[Gracie]

Reading all the arguments. Still torn.

Living in both worlds...I can relate to not being able to afford a roof. I also can relate to NOT being able to "move" just anywhere else. That takes money.

Rentals charge THREE TIMES the amount of the rent in order to qualify. Plus deposit. Plus utilities. Plus now they charge monthly rent for your dog if you have one unless it is an ESA (emotional support animal).

On the other hand, the nicer places, better neighborhoods, cleaner areas, less crime, more self respect is found in the higher rental areas. Those who want those things, that are not druggies or drunks or losers who refuse to work. They are middle class..or WAS middle class...they are seniors...they are people who one of them got sick and the bills mounted so badly they had no choice but to become homeless. They just don't make THREE TIMES the rent in their SS or jobs or whatever.

As I said...I lived in both worlds. So...torn. If you bought the house and rent it out...then its yours to do with as you wish concerning rent. On the other hand, you could also be a slum lord...or not, and just too damn greedy.

You do a market analysis to see what the going rents are. I never understood if the area fetches 2500 per month per unit....and that unit (house or apt) sits empty for months because nobody can ******* afford it..that is money lost FOREVER. But if you rent it for 1500 per month...you are not getting what it could get, but you aren't out ZERO dollars either. and asking THREE TIMES the amount of rent as your income is ludicrous.

Anyway....torn. And this whole subject upsets me. So...........

/thread

 

[Gracie]

One last comment:

All it takes is ONE little cancer node to be found...and you lose everything, including perhaps your life. Friend of mine now lives in a beat up RV he bought after his manufactured home burned in Paradise. He went back home to the beach, where I lived as well. Then he was diagnosed with colon cancer. Now imagine living in a beat up RV, across from a library, no running water except what is in the tank, having to drive every few days to empty the black water tank, buying propane to stay warm or to cook, buying ice because there are no hookups...and dealing with chemo and slowly dying at 76 years old.

I shudder at the thought and don't know how he does it, but he does. Why not rent a place? Studios go for 1500 and up per month there. Cancer treatments took all his savings. So..........


Anyway......

for real this time.......

/thread

 

[MinTrut]

Of course it doesn't make sense to you.....I know this so I will T Y P E slower.

Childish ad hominem.

Landlords create housing units ONLY because there is a profit to be made in doing so.

Yes.

Ending the incentive (taking the profit out of creating housing rental units) means that landlords stop making the rental units which will lead to a shortage of rental housing creating more HOMELESS pumpkin.

Housing is a basic human right, so we should probably work to prevent the MASSIVE crisis on the way.

Socialists/communists are always to stupid to figure out cause and effect.

Are they? I thought you were a communist?

Even now I think you still will not understand this simple fact.

More childish ad hominem.

This is as nice as I get about it.....I despise certain qualities in people...stupidity and those playing games always piss me off and since I am an honest person, I don't hide my disdain for either type of person.

Irrelevant spewing.

 

[MinTrut]

You do not have a right to housing babe-------

Housing: BASIC human right.

------you have the right to seek out a living to support yourself getting and paying for a home.

Sure.

The government and taxpayers are not your mommy.

Irrelevant spewing.

 

[MinTrut]

Reading all the arguments. Still torn.

Living in both worlds...I can relate to not being able to afford a roof. I also can relate to NOT being able to "move" just anywhere else. That takes money.

Rentals charge THREE TIMES the amount of the rent in order to qualify. Plus deposit. Plus utilities. Plus now they charge monthly rent for your dog if you have one unless it is an ESA (emotional support animal).

On the other hand, the nicer places, better neighborhoods, cleaner areas, less crime, more self respect is found in the higher rental areas. Those who want those things, that are not druggies or drunks or losers who refuse to work. They are middle class..or WAS middle class...they are seniors...they are people who one of them got sick and the bills mounted so badly they had no choice but to become homeless. They just don't make THREE TIMES the rent in their SS or jobs or whatever.

As I said...I lived in both worlds. So...torn. If you bought the house and rent it out...then its yours to do with as you wish concerning rent. On the other hand, you could also be a slum lord...or not, and just too damn greedy.

You do a market analysis to see what the going rents are. I never understood if the area fetches 2500 per month per unit....and that unit (house or apt) sits empty for months because nobody can ******* afford it..that is money lost FOREVER. But if you rent it for 1500 per month...you are not getting what it could get, but you aren't out ZERO dollars either. and asking THREE TIMES the amount of rent as your income is ludicrous.

Anyway....torn. And this whole subject upsets me. So...........

/thread

Really good contributions - thank you.

 

[FA_Q2]

The Seattle area is one of many where good people - nurses, teachers, caregivers, parents - can no longer afford rents skyrocketing by 30% to 50% even in places like Bellingham.

The "move further away" argument no longer works.

The ENTIRE COUNTRY is facing an affordable housing crisis.

Sure it does as I can look up rental prices right now and see that they are affordable if you do not demand that it must fit exactly what you want.

You keep parroting housing is a basic human right but have yet to define it. You said you don't have a right to a castle. They what, EXACTLY, do you mean by housing. A cardboard box I would assume would not fit your definition.

The problem here is that there is no universal definition because to call housing a right is to misunderstand rights entirely. You have a right, through free exchange, to seek a home or build one yourself. That right is entirely intact. Nothing has changed.

Finally, you realize that it is the asinine mantra that housing is a 'right' that directly causes skyrocketing rents, right? To declare a good is a right is just a veiled attempt to demand that someone else MUST, regardless of your ability to earn it yourself, provide it for you. That causes, and it is painfully obvious, those that have homes to refuse to rent them out and those that can build more to provide that lower cost to stop building them as their work will simply be stolen or undervalued.

If you do not mean that it must be provided and instead mean that it is a right in the same manner that the right to bear arms is then you have to accept that there is nothing whatsoever or even remotely implied in any sense that such a thing be 'affordable.' If you cant purchase a gun, no one is going to be forced to ensure you are provided one. The right concerns your actions and nothing more.

 

[badger2]

Gas is $4/gallon most places, and areas 2+ hours away from jobs no longer affordable - the economic math is very bad for millions of REALLY good people.

Something has to give.

Great, but not the situation in most places now - these are anecdotes from bygone days.

Great, but not the situation now.

Okay.

Yup.

Sounds good, but the MASSIVE affordable housing crisis must still be addressed.

Housing has become unaffordable across the planet, and Ray from Cleveland made a point: the Castle Doctrine. That is a good starting point in the project to boycott the very pimps that made housing unaffordable. You start by taking away the pimp’s means of producing exorbitant housing costs via boycott. Where do the prisoners go and what do they do during this boycott? First-cause philosophy considers that the pimp already has the prisoners accepting as normalcy the fact they they pay to inhabit the pimp’s space while they are horizontal and unconscious. The pimp is not about to pro-rate this habitation of space.