Governing by ransom.

[buckeye45_73]

If a parent robs a bank, and the dies, and the crime is discovered.

I don't think the kid gets to keep the earnings because "he committed no crime".

What a stupid argument. The fact that they are illegally here means they need to be deported.

What a dumbarse analogy. That's like saying "I like aeroplanes" and you replying "Bubblegum". Two totally unrelated things. Then again, you are a Deplorable.

Not really, you cant say the parents commited the crime, but the kids get to keep the benefits......see if parents rob folks, the kids don't get the money.....so the parents fucked the kids really hard by going to jail and leaving their kids without parents....and no money.......
Same with coming to a country, uproot your kids, and getting your ass kicked out. Kids have no money and no parents

The better question per that analogy is if a parent robs a bank and the kid is innocent the car should the kid get punished like the parents... the answer obviously no. We don’t punish people for crimes they are not responsible for, especially children. What’s wrong with you people. This shouldnt be a hard issue to figure out

No it's not, because in my analogy, where did I say to jail the kids? I didn't
they have to go back to their own country...

Why is it that you lefties ***** and hate on America and how unfair and racist our society is, yet you guys always act like sending people out of this racist, misogynist country back to theirs is bad????

 

[buckeye45_73]

I guess there is such a thing as holding something or someone as a political hostage over a political decision is what is attempted to be inferred here. Don't believe it was the case, but the Demon-crats have tried as always to back Trump into a corner, so here comes the art of the deal.

The problem with this “deal” is that the Republicans now need 60 votes to pass anything which means they need Dems. And when nothing gets done the Republicans and Trump will take the blame. That’s when the balance of power flips back to the Dems. We just saw it happen over the past 8 years to put the Reps in power and it is getting ready to happen again

We know this.....which is why the personal income tax cuts were not permanet...because of the process we needed to pass the bill.....so thank you for pointing that out....
As for DACA....I cant wait until the republicans come out with a pro DACA plan, that ends chain migration, builds a wall, and the democrats say no.......

They will vote against DACA.......and it will piss off the immigrant groups and their zombie followers....

Why wont they vote for it? because they like the current system......the democrats do not want to FIX it....at all.....This will prove it.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Not really, you cant say the parents commited the crime, but the kids get to keep the benefits......see if parents rob folks, the kids don't get the money.....so the parents fucked the kids really hard by going to jail and leaving their kids without parents....and no money.......
Same with coming to a country, uproot your kids, and getting your ass kicked out. Kids have no money and no parents

The better question per that analogy is if a parent robs a bank and the kid is innocent the car should the kid get punished like the parents... the answer obviously no. We don’t punish people for crimes they are not responsible for, especially children. What’s wrong with you people. This shouldnt be a hard issue to figure out

I don't get where the punishment is. If the kids didn't do anything to get into the country, then it's not like they're losing their investment.

I can see someone not guilty of the initial crime getting "punished" somewhat unfairly if they bought property they didn't know was stolen, since taking the property back would leave them without the property AND without their money, but this is more like taking back the money a bank robber stole and gave to the kids for nothing. The kids would have never had the money anyway so they're basically restoring the status quo more or less.

They have lived heir whole life here. They didn’t get “money” they are just trying to love their lives in the world that they grew up in. You don’t think kicking them out to a foreign country that they don’t know is punishment? Of course it is. Gain a little empathy man. Put yourself in their shoes. ******* amazing that you don’t get it.

there are 7 billion people in the world, how many do we have to support before we go bankrupt

How much are the DACA people costing us?

Well you have social services, schooling, scholarships
and then you have jobs taken, wages being depressed (more labor= lower wages....just in case you lefties don't know how it works.)

lets just start with that....

 

[buckeye45_73]

Not really, you cant say the parents commited the crime, but the kids get to keep the benefits......see if parents rob folks, the kids don't get the money.....so the parents fucked the kids really hard by going to jail and leaving their kids without parents....and no money.......
Same with coming to a country, uproot your kids, and getting your ass kicked out. Kids have no money and no parents

The better question per that analogy is if a parent robs a bank and the kid is innocent the car should the kid get punished like the parents... the answer obviously no. We don’t punish people for crimes they are not responsible for, especially children. What’s wrong with you people. This shouldnt be a hard issue to figure out

I don't get where the punishment is. If the kids didn't do anything to get into the country, then it's not like they're losing their investment.

I can see someone not guilty of the initial crime getting "punished" somewhat unfairly if they bought property they didn't know was stolen, since taking the property back would leave them without the property AND without their money, but this is more like taking back the money a bank robber stole and gave to the kids for nothing. The kids would have never had the money anyway so they're basically restoring the status quo more or less.

They have lived heir whole life here. They didn’t get “money” they are just trying to love their lives in the world that they grew up in. You don’t think kicking them out to a foreign country that they don’t know is punishment? Of course it is. Gain a little empathy man. Put yourself in their shoes. ******* amazing that you don’t get it.

Uhm it's punishment to the African Americans who wouldn't mind picking cotton for $15 bucks an hour but the damn illegal Mexicans will do it for $5 bucks an hour..


Do you see the problem.

. Good grief... Really ?? Who picks cotton today ? No one.

So it just jumps into the gin all by itself.......magic cotton!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[buckeye45_73]

Not really, you cant say the parents commited the crime, but the kids get to keep the benefits......see if parents rob folks, the kids don't get the money.....so the parents fucked the kids really hard by going to jail and leaving their kids without parents....and no money.......
Same with coming to a country, uproot your kids, and getting your ass kicked out. Kids have no money and no parents

The better question per that analogy is if a parent robs a bank and the kid is innocent the car should the kid get punished like the parents... the answer obviously no. We don’t punish people for crimes they are not responsible for, especially children. What’s wrong with you people. This shouldnt be a hard issue to figure out

I don't get where the punishment is. If the kids didn't do anything to get into the country, then it's not like they're losing their investment.

I can see someone not guilty of the initial crime getting "punished" somewhat unfairly if they bought property they didn't know was stolen, since taking the property back would leave them without the property AND without their money, but this is more like taking back the money a bank robber stole and gave to the kids for nothing. The kids would have never had the money anyway so they're basically restoring the status quo more or less.

They have lived heir whole life here. They didn’t get “money” they are just trying to love their lives in the world that they grew up in. You don’t think kicking them out to a foreign country that they don’t know is punishment? Of course it is. Gain a little empathy man. Put yourself in their shoes. ******* amazing that you don’t get it.

Since you're so concerned about them, then you should call your Congressman and tell him to agree to fund Trump's border wall and to end chain migration. If he isn't willing to do that, then we know he doesn't really give a flying **** about the DACA kids. He just wants to bring in as many illegals as possible.

I wouldn’t want my congressman to bend to trumps bullshit bully tactics. Chain migration makes sense as long as its controlled and the wall is a complete waste of Money. I’d be fine with with increasing border security funding for some wall, some agents, and some tech upgrades, that makes sense. And I’d like to see a solution laid out for the undocumented who live in this country along with improvements to our legal immigration system. There is a lot of work to be done but we can’t get out of the gate because we don’t know how to have a productive conversation. Bunch of children running this country

I love this

Chain migration makes sense as long as its controlled.....dumbass, it isn't being controlled....that's the point.
the wall wont help? ok, then lets build it just to give people jobs....democrats love those projects....and then we'll see if it helps....I'm pretty sure it will...

 

[buckeye45_73]

I don't get where the punishment is. If the kids didn't do anything to get into the country, then it's not like they're losing their investment.

I can see someone not guilty of the initial crime getting "punished" somewhat unfairly if they bought property they didn't know was stolen, since taking the property back would leave them without the property AND without their money, but this is more like taking back the money a bank robber stole and gave to the kids for nothing. The kids would have never had the money anyway so they're basically restoring the status quo more or less.

They have lived heir whole life here. They didn’t get “money” they are just trying to love their lives in the world that they grew up in. You don’t think kicking them out to a foreign country that they don’t know is punishment? Of course it is. Gain a little empathy man. Put yourself in their shoes. ******* amazing that you don’t get it.

So your argument is now: "But muh feelz!"

Your retorts just keep getting more and more brilliant by the post!

What are you talking about? Do you really not understand my argument or aren’t you just being an ass?

I perfectly understood your argument. It was that you feel sorry for the kids so it doesn't matter that they are here illegally.

What a stupid argument. In fact, it's not even an argument, your feelings are not an argument.

My argument has to do with right and wrong and how good people treat others. Doesn’t have anything to do with my feelings... it’s simple morals which you seem to lack.

But you guys say it is so bad here...racism, sexism, homophobia everywhere!!!!

the moral thing would be for them to have a govt like ours in their own country.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Not really, you cant say the parents commited the crime, but the kids get to keep the benefits......see if parents rob folks, the kids don't get the money.....so the parents fucked the kids really hard by going to jail and leaving their kids without parents....and no money.......
Same with coming to a country, uproot your kids, and getting your ass kicked out. Kids have no money and no parents

The better question per that analogy is if a parent robs a bank and the kid is innocent the car should the kid get punished like the parents... the answer obviously no. We don’t punish people for crimes they are not responsible for, especially children. What’s wrong with you people. This shouldnt be a hard issue to figure out

I don't get where the punishment is. If the kids didn't do anything to get into the country, then it's not like they're losing their investment.

I can see someone not guilty of the initial crime getting "punished" somewhat unfairly if they bought property they didn't know was stolen, since taking the property back would leave them without the property AND without their money, but this is more like taking back the money a bank robber stole and gave to the kids for nothing. The kids would have never had the money anyway so they're basically restoring the status quo more or less.

They have lived heir whole life here. They didn’t get “money” they are just trying to love their lives in the world that they grew up in. You don’t think kicking them out to a foreign country that they don’t know is punishment? Of course it is. Gain a little empathy man. Put yourself in their shoes. ******* amazing that you don’t get it.

Uhm it's punishment to the African Americans who wouldn't mind picking cotton for $15 bucks an hour but the damn illegal Mexicans will do it for $5 bucks an hour..
Do you see the problem.

If growers are paying $5 an hour then they should be busted that’s not legal. From what I’ve seen there is a shortage of jobs in the agricultural industry and they need pickers. Anybody who needs a job, Black white brown or purple can go get one right now if they want it.

yep....they can, but growers expect them to work dirt cheap, get rid of illegals and they will have to pay the appropriate wage......

 

[buckeye45_73]

I don't get where the punishment is. If the kids didn't do anything to get into the country, then it's not like they're losing their investment.

I can see someone not guilty of the initial crime getting "punished" somewhat unfairly if they bought property they didn't know was stolen, since taking the property back would leave them without the property AND without their money, but this is more like taking back the money a bank robber stole and gave to the kids for nothing. The kids would have never had the money anyway so they're basically restoring the status quo more or less.

They have lived heir whole life here. They didn’t get “money” they are just trying to love their lives in the world that they grew up in. You don’t think kicking them out to a foreign country that they don’t know is punishment? Of course it is. Gain a little empathy man. Put yourself in their shoes. ******* amazing that you don’t get it.

there are 7 billion people in the world, how many do we have to support before we go bankrupt

How much are the DACA people costing us?

Low wages

Welfare

Overcrowding schools

ER care...


Think...

How many DACA people are on welfare ?

So they're rich? Why do they need to be in our country then?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Uhm it's punishment to the African Americans who wouldn't mind picking cotton for $15 bucks an hour but the damn illegal Mexicans will do it for $5 bucks an hour..
Do you see the problem.

If growers are paying $5 an hour then they should be busted that’s not legal. From what I’ve seen there is a shortage of jobs in the agricultural industry and they need pickers. Anybody who needs a job, Black white brown or purple can go get one right now if they want it.

. The agricultural industry don't pay by the hour, they pay by the pick. The best pickers get the most money, but the minimum pickers still can make out ok. It's how it should be, because there isn't socialism or communism going on in the fields, but good ole capitalism is practiced. There is no punishment of the best pickers by equaling them out with the worst pickers. After a while you end up with a field full of great pickers who want to make money. You still have the slower pickers regardless, because they need work also, but they don't hold back the faster pickers or try to take their money making from them.

So we're you the fast cotton picker or the slow one?

. I was the fast one, and I'm black to... Now what you got to say ?

Welcome to the club I am black also

The left will designate you as self hating and trans racial, you're actually a wannabe ******........

Donald Trump ended DACA with the sole purpose of holding millions of young people hostage until he gets his wall.

He is telling Congress if they don't want to see these people deported, they must give him his wall.

These are people that came here as children. Many have no memories or contact with their origin country. Many don't even speak the language.

These people committed no crime. Their parents did.

And Trump will punish them if he does not get his wall.

And Trumpettes think this is the way our country is supposed to run.

Who knew that the "art of the Deal" is basic Mafia 101.

If a parent robs a bank, and the dies, and the crime is discovered.

I don't think the kid gets to keep the earnings because "he committed no crime".

What a stupid argument. The fact that they are illegally here means they need to be deported.

Your argument is stupid. It's faulty logic. There is no comparison between being born in the US and robbing a bank.



False analogy definition

(plural false analogies) (logic) An informal fallacy applying to inductive arguments, in which the similarity in one respect of two concepts, objects, or events is taken as sufficient to establish that they are similar in another respect in which they actually are dissimilar.

No it's fine....you guys use the bullshit of they did nothing wrong and they will be hurt

how will they be hurt by being deported?

 

[bripat9643]

Donald Trump ended DACA with the sole purpose of holding millions of young people hostage until he gets his wall.

He is telling Congress if they don't want to see these people deported, they must give him his wall.

These are people that came here as children. Many have no memories or contact with their origin country. Many don't even speak the language.

These people committed no crime. Their parents did.

And Trump will punish them if he does not get his wall.

And Trumpettes think this is the way our country is supposed to run.

Who knew that the "art of the Deal" is basic Mafia 101.

I don't recall you douchebags crying when Obama held the entire country up for ransom.

When & what was that.

Obama held us up for ransom every time we had to raise the debt limit, moron.

 

[bripat9643]

Donald Trump ended DACA with the sole purpose of holding millions of young people hostage until he gets his wall.

He is telling Congress if they don't want to see these people deported, they must give him his wall.

These are people that came here as children. Many have no memories or contact with their origin country. Many don't even speak the language.

These people committed no crime. Their parents did.

And Trump will punish them if he does not get his wall.

And Trumpettes think this is the way our country is supposed to run.

Who knew that the "art of the Deal" is basic Mafia 101.

These children aren't entitled to the ill gotten gains of their parents crime. Period...

Many act more American than most Trumpettes.

How do they do that, by lining up for welfare?

 

[bripat9643]

Donald Trump ended DACA with the sole purpose of holding millions of young people hostage until he gets his wall.

He is telling Congress if they don't want to see these people deported, they must give him his wall.

These are people that came here as children. Many have no memories or contact with their origin country. Many don't even speak the language.

These people committed no crime. Their parents did.

And Trump will punish them if he does not get his wall.

And Trumpettes think this is the way our country is supposed to run.

Who knew that the "art of the Deal" is basic Mafia 101.

. So you take an issue that is fluid, and try to weave it together in some kind of way in order to make Trump the villain ?? I saw the tactic immediately once I read a few lines of your post.. lol

He is the villain.

DACA is people. Many spent most of their lives in America. Many are educated & working & some have family. Working & paying taxes & supporting this country.

Trump might as well hold a babies by the foot & dangle them off the rooftop & demand his wall or he'll drop the kids.

You think that is the way to govern?

Only Michael dangled the baby over the balcony, and he just wanted attention. Everyone wants the border straightend out but the Demon-crats fight it hand and foot, why ??

Because the wall is stupid & a waste of money.

I thought you people were all against government waste? Here you are supporting it.

How many Americans will have their land taken for the wall. How many Americans will be stuck on the Mexico side of that wall.

Obama increased border security forces asshole.

But hey, build that 18' wall running behind Walmart selling 24' ladders. Brilliant. ******* brilliant.

The wall will be the smartest money we ever spent.

The wall is going to be 30' tall, moron.

 

[buckeye45_73]

They are absolutely not equivalent. LOL

What a brilliant argument!

You totally demonstrated they are not equivalent by posting that.

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It's not my problem that you can't see they are not equivalent. You should have paid better attention in school. As it is, I'm not your teacher. The fact they are two completely different situations is obvious. Robbing a bank and the child keeping the money is not the same as being born in the US as a citizen. Illegally entering the US is not the same as robbing a bank. Being born here automatically makes one a citizen. No similarity. Two completely different situations.

Analogies always concern different situations.

It seems like your teacher didn't even teach you what an analogy is. I wonder whether you are thus, a nightmare yourself, considering many can't even pass high-school.

A false analogy is when only one or two elements of the situation may be comparable but others are not. Your position is not logically comparable. It's that simple.

Bank robbery and being an illegal are not equivalent. They are both crimes and that's about it. Being born in the US is not a crime and is not stealing. No equivalency to keeping stolen money. If we went with your assertion, EVERYONE WHO COMMITTED A CRIME WOULD BE EQUAL TO A BANK ROBBER. It's stupid.

You said it they are all criminals...that's the relationship....the degree (murderer, bank robber, petty theft) is not relevant.... The LOGIC of the crime is in this case.....
You cant say that keeping people who came here illegally is a positive thing, just like letting someone off for killing a person, is not........and that does happen..

 

[buckeye45_73]

So which part about the fact that they are here illegally do you disagree with? Why are you endorsing crime?

We should have the wall, and deport the nightmares.

Your country was built on immigrants.

No shit, there was a system and they followed it....our country is not the same as it was back in the day....need to update and modernize

 

[buckeye45_73]

Donald Trump ended DACA with the sole purpose of holding millions of young people hostage until he gets his wall.

He is telling Congress if they don't want to see these people deported, they must give him his wall.

These are people that came here as children. Many have no memories or contact with their origin country. Many don't even speak the language.

These people committed no crime. Their parents did.

And Trump will punish them if he does not get his wall.

And Trumpettes think this is the way our country is supposed to run.

Who knew that the "art of the Deal" is basic Mafia 101.

. So you take an issue that is fluid, and try to weave it together in some kind of way in order to make Trump the villain ?? I saw the tactic immediately once I read a few lines of your post.. lol

He is the villain.

DACA is people. Many spent most of their lives in America. Many are educated & working & some have family. Working & paying taxes & supporting this country.

Trump might as well hold a babies by the foot & dangle them off the rooftop & demand his wall or he'll drop the kids.

You think that is the way to govern?

Only Michael dangled the baby over the balcony, and he just wanted attention. Everyone wants the border straightend out but the Demon-crats fight it hand and foot, why ??

Because the wall is stupid & a waste of money.

I thought you people were all against government waste? Here you are supporting it.

How many Americans will have their land taken for the wall. How many Americans will be stuck on the Mexico side of that wall.

Obama increased border security forces asshole.

But hey, build that 18' wall running behind Walmart selling 24' ladders. Brilliant. ******* brilliant.

The wall will be the smartest money we ever spent.

The wall is going to be 30' tall, moron.

But he's part of the crowd, that says we just need fences......and then says a wall wont work

a wall is much more effective than a fence........the left, how dumb are these people.

 

[buckeye45_73]

The title should read:

"Governing by art of the deal."

I guess you think Trump knows how to make a deal.

How is that deal working out with NK, Iran, Nafta, any trade deal?

Pretty good
NKorea.....starting to moderate and talk....why? because they are SCARED of Trump.....like you guys are of NKorea.....because you are scared of them, you let them do what they want.....Trump says **** that...and they are now like holy shit........where is that phone to S Korea again

Iran.....we're backing the demonstrators....unlike Obama, who apparently likes dictatorships with no human rights......ironic since his buddies in the media blame that on Trump(it's called projection)......So glad we gave Iran hunderds of billions so they could build their military and ignore their people.
NAFTA....we are renegotiating it......stay tuned!!!!!!!!

 

[buckeye45_73]

Donald Trump ended DACA with the sole purpose of holding millions of young people hostage until he gets his wall.

He is telling Congress if they don't want to see these people deported, they must give him his wall.

These are people that came here as children. Many have no memories or contact with their origin country. Many don't even speak the language.

These people committed no crime. Their parents did.

And Trump will punish them if he does not get his wall.

And Trumpettes think this is the way our country is supposed to run.

Who knew that the "art of the Deal" is basic Mafia 101.

. So you take an issue that is fluid, and try to weave it together in some kind of way in order to make Trump the villain ?? I saw the tactic immediately once I read a few lines of your post.. lol

He is the villain.

DACA is people. Many spent most of their lives in America. Many are educated & working & some have family. Working & paying taxes & supporting this country.

Trump might as well hold a babies by the foot & dangle them off the rooftop & demand his wall or he'll drop the kids.

You think that is the way to govern?

Dems can make the deal......you guys don't want to fix illegal immigration...just admit it....

 

[buckeye45_73]

Not really, you cant say the parents commited the crime, but the kids get to keep the benefits......see if parents rob folks, the kids don't get the money.....so the parents fucked the kids really hard by going to jail and leaving their kids without parents....and no money.......
Same with coming to a country, uproot your kids, and getting your ass kicked out. Kids have no money and no parents

The better question per that analogy is if a parent robs a bank and the kid is innocent the car should the kid get punished like the parents... the answer obviously no. We don’t punish people for crimes they are not responsible for, especially children. What’s wrong with you people. This shouldnt be a hard issue to figure out

I don't get where the punishment is. If the kids didn't do anything to get into the country, then it's not like they're losing their investment.

I can see someone not guilty of the initial crime getting "punished" somewhat unfairly if they bought property they didn't know was stolen, since taking the property back would leave them without the property AND without their money, but this is more like taking back the money a bank robber stole and gave to the kids for nothing. The kids would have never had the money anyway so they're basically restoring the status quo more or less.

They have lived heir whole life here. They didn’t get “money” they are just trying to love their lives in the world that they grew up in. You don’t think kicking them out to a foreign country that they don’t know is punishment? Of course it is. Gain a little empathy man. Put yourself in their shoes. ******* amazing that you don’t get it.

Since you're so concerned about them, then you should call your Congressman and tell him to agree to fund Trump's border wall and to end chain migration. If he isn't willing to do that, then we know he doesn't really give a flying **** about the DACA kids. He just wants to bring in as many illegals as possible.

I see you think extortion is the way to govern.

A smart person would be able to convince Congress that his wall was actually needed & worth the expense. That is the way it is supposed to work.

Trump said he would protect DACA during the campaign.

From the side that routinely threatens and does violence, riots, boycotts , and other intimidation tactics.....

 

[buckeye45_73]

Donald Trump ended DACA with the sole purpose of holding millions of young people hostage until he gets his wall.

He is telling Congress if they don't want to see these people deported, they must give him his wall.

These are people that came here as children. Many have no memories or contact with their origin country. Many don't even speak the language.

These people committed no crime. Their parents did.

And Trump will punish them if he does not get his wall.

And Trumpettes think this is the way our country is supposed to run.

Who knew that the "art of the Deal" is basic Mafia 101.

. So you take an issue that is fluid, and try to weave it together in some kind of way in order to make Trump the villain ?? I saw the tactic immediately once I read a few lines of your post.. lol

He is the villain.

DACA is people. Many spent most of their lives in America. Many are educated & working & some have family. Working & paying taxes & supporting this country.

Trump might as well hold a babies by the foot & dangle them off the rooftop & demand his wall or he'll drop the kids.

You think that is the way to govern?

Only Michael dangled the baby over the balcony, and he just wanted attention. Everyone wants the border straightend out but the Demon-crats fight it hand and foot, why ??

Because the wall is stupid & a waste of money.

I thought you people were all against government waste? Here you are supporting it.

How many Americans will have their land taken for the wall. How many Americans will be stuck on the Mexico side of that wall.

Obama increased border security forces asshole.

But hey, build that 18' wall running behind Walmart selling 24' ladders. Brilliant. ******* brilliant.

We know it will work.....you guys don't want to stop the flow and oppose it
Obama hired a few people, then they couldn't deport people....tossing them on the other side of the border so they could cross the next day, does not count as deportation. why, because there is no wall to prevent them from reentering...it's like arguing with a 5 year old

it's 30' topped with barb wire.....climb up 30 feet and over barb wire just to jump????? serious cuts and broken bones will make it much easier to catch them...hence it will be effective

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Donald Trump ended DACA with the sole purpose of holding millions of young people hostage until he gets his wall.

He is telling Congress if they don't want to see these people deported, they must give him his wall.

These are people that came here as children. Many have no memories or contact with their origin country. Many don't even speak the language.

These people committed no crime. Their parents did.

And Trump will punish them if he does not get his wall.

And Trumpettes think this is the way our country is supposed to run.

Who knew that the "art of the Deal" is basic Mafia 101.

. So you take an issue that is fluid, and try to weave it together in some kind of way in order to make Trump the villain ?? I saw the tactic immediately once I read a few lines of your post.. lol

He is the villain.

DACA is people. Many spent most of their lives in America. Many are educated & working & some have family. Working & paying taxes & supporting this country.

Trump might as well hold a babies by the foot & dangle them off the rooftop & demand his wall or he'll drop the kids.

You think that is the way to govern?

Only Michael dangled the baby over the balcony, and he just wanted attention. Everyone wants the border straightend out but the Demon-crats fight it hand and foot, why ??

Because the wall is stupid & a waste of money.

I thought you people were all against government waste? Here you are supporting it.

How many Americans will have their land taken for the wall. How many Americans will be stuck on the Mexico side of that wall.

Obama increased border security forces asshole.

But hey, build that 18' wall running behind Walmart selling 24' ladders. Brilliant. ******* brilliant.

Hungary credits razor wire border fence for almost 100 percent drop in illegal migration