Governing by ransom.

[OKTexas]

I guess there is such a thing as holding something or someone as a political hostage over a political decision is what is attempted to be inferred here. Don't believe it was the case, but the Demon-crats have tried as always to back Trump into a corner, so here comes the art of the deal.

The problem with this “deal” is that the Republicans now need 60 votes to pass anything which means they need Dems. And when nothing gets done the Republicans and Trump will take the blame. That’s when the balance of power flips back to the Dems. We just saw it happen over the past 8 years to put the Reps in power and it is getting ready to happen again

It doesn't take 60 votes to fund the wall, nimrod. Budget issues only require a simple majority.

Dims will take the blame if they refuse to make any concessions on immigration. It will become obvious to all that their concern about the DACA kids is entirely bogus.

You're wrong on that one, it does take 60 votes, it won't be done under reconciliation rules.


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It's a budget issue. It can be done with a simple majority.

You might want to do some reading on regular order and budget reconciliation, the tax package was passed under reconciliation and the omnibus bill will be passed under regular order, which requires a cloture vote.

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[bripat9643]

I guess there is such a thing as holding something or someone as a political hostage over a political decision is what is attempted to be inferred here. Don't believe it was the case, but the Demon-crats have tried as always to back Trump into a corner, so here comes the art of the deal.

The problem with this “deal” is that the Republicans now need 60 votes to pass anything which means they need Dems. And when nothing gets done the Republicans and Trump will take the blame. That’s when the balance of power flips back to the Dems. We just saw it happen over the past 8 years to put the Reps in power and it is getting ready to happen again

It doesn't take 60 votes to fund the wall, nimrod. Budget issues only require a simple majority.

Dims will take the blame if they refuse to make any concessions on immigration. It will become obvious to all that their concern about the DACA kids is entirely bogus.

You're wrong on that one, it does take 60 votes, it won't be done under reconciliation rules.


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It's a budget issue. It can be done with a simple majority.

You might want to do some reading on regular order and budget reconciliation, the tax package was passed under reconciliation and the omnibus bill will be passed under regular order, which requires a cloture vote.

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This is a spending bill. Those come under budget bills.

 

[OKTexas]

So which part about the fact that they are here illegally do you disagree with? Why are you endorsing crime?

We should have the wall, and deport the nightmares.

Your country was built on immigrants.

That has to be the lamest argument in history.


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[OKTexas]

Donald Trump ended DACA with the sole purpose of holding millions of young people hostage until he gets his wall.

He is telling Congress if they don't want to see these people deported, they must give him his wall.

These are people that came here as children. Many have no memories or contact with their origin country. Many don't even speak the language.

These people committed no crime. Their parents did.

And Trump will punish them if he does not get his wall.

And Trumpettes think this is the way our country is supposed to run.

Who knew that the "art of the Deal" is basic Mafia 101.

If a parent robs a bank, and the dies, and the crime is discovered.

I don't think the kid gets to keep the earnings because "he committed no crime".

What a stupid argument. The fact that they are illegally here means they need to be deported.

Stupid comparison.

Where is the "money" in this DACA stuff?

Trump isn't taking something their parents "stole".

He is punishing the kids by causing hardship & in some cases extreme hardship.

But you avoid the point. Governing by ransom.

If he was truly against DACA, he would not allow it.

IOnstead, he really doesxn't give a shit & just uses it as a tool to get his stupid wall.

You still don't get it, 20+ States were preparing law suits on maobamas illegal DACA, Trump short circuited the process and gave congress a chance to fix it, because the DOJ could not defend a clearly illegal program.


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[Dr Grump]

It is still relatively an empty continent.

And we don't need a bunch of illegals to settle it.

Except for you and your ancestors, right?

 

[Dr Grump]

Why? Won't it stop illegal aliens from walking across the border?

No.

Why not?

The Gaza Strip and Israeli border is about 100 miles lone. It is as porous as a sieve. A wall would stop some, but not the majority.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It is still relatively an empty continent.

And we don't need a bunch of illegals to settle it.

Except for you and your ancestors, right?

Yes, at some point you're actually allowed to limit new entrants.

 

[Dr Grump]

Because anybody who disagrees with a liberal is just that. Oh, you don't want to give your country away to other folks? You are a deplorable.

It's the surrender first whites that will be the end of this country--not conservatives.

More unsubstantiated clap trap with nothing to back it up.

 

[Dr Grump]

So which part about the fact that they are here illegally do you disagree with? Why are you endorsing crime?

We should have the wall, and deport the nightmares.

Your country was built on immigrants.

That has to be the lamest argument in history.


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It's also a fact

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why? Won't it stop illegal aliens from walking across the border?

No.

Why not?

The Gaza Strip and Israeli border is about 100 miles lone. It is as porous as a sieve. A wall would stop some, but not the majority.

A wall would stop some, but not the majority.

Excellent!
Stop some and then work on stopping the rest.

 

[Dr Grump]

Yes, at some point you're actually allowed to limit new entrants.

I agree. I am not for illegal immigration. I am against a pointless wall.

 

[OKTexas]

So your argument is now: "But muh feelz!"

Your retorts just keep getting more and more brilliant by the post!

What are you talking about? Do you really not understand my argument or aren’t you just being an ass?

I perfectly understood your argument. It was that you feel sorry for the kids so it doesn't matter that they are here illegally.

What a stupid argument. In fact, it's not even an argument, your feelings are not an argument.

My argument has to do with right and wrong and how good people treat others. Doesn’t have anything to do with my feelings... it’s simple morals which you seem to lack.

I told my congressman to give them green cards only, deport the criminal parents and not allow them to sponsor anyone else and no citizenship. They get to stay and work, the criminals go home and the next generation can be citizens.


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. If deport the parents, then the kids are of legal age, out of highschool, and ready to work where needed in the workforce I hope with that green card.. If not of legal age, then they must return home with the parents, but I think that we should keep up with the family for a little while after get back home to make sure the family is not abused upon returning home. Otherwise just keep up with them through the Mexican government, and get assurances that they are ok, along with proof.

So you want us to take responsibility for a situation they placed themselves in? REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROFLMFAO!!!!!


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[Dr Grump]

A wall would stop some, but not the majority.

Excellent!
Stop some and then work on stopping the rest.

I'll think you'll find the ROI very, very poor.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yes, at some point you're actually allowed to limit new entrants.

I agree. I am not for illegal immigration. I am against a pointless wall.

Pointless? You just said it would stop some. That's the point.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A wall would stop some, but not the majority.

Excellent!
Stop some and then work on stopping the rest.

I'll think you'll find the ROI very, very poor.

Compared to most of the stupid shit our tax dollars are spent on.....at least there will be a return.

 

[RealDave]

Donald Trump ended DACA with the sole purpose of holding millions of young people hostage until he gets his wall.

He is telling Congress if they don't want to see these people deported, they must give him his wall.

These are people that came here as children. Many have no memories or contact with their origin country. Many don't even speak the language.

These people committed no crime. Their parents did.

And Trump will punish them if he does not get his wall.

And Trumpettes think this is the way our country is supposed to run.

Who knew that the "art of the Deal" is basic Mafia 101.

I don't recall you douchebags crying when Obama held the entire country up for ransom.

When & what was that.

Obama held us up for ransom every time we had to raise the debt limit, moron.

What did he take away & then demand somerthing from Republicans to get it back.

Dumbass.

He demanded more spending, or he wouldn't sign raising the debt ceiling. Then you and all the other douchebag Dims blamed Republicans for the deficit.

How stupid are you?

Look, buttbrain, Trump is not saying to build his wall or he won't sign a funding bill.

Your retarded orange POS took a popular program & ended it just to hold it hostage.

 

[OKTexas]

Not really, you cant say the parents commited the crime, but the kids get to keep the benefits......see if parents rob folks, the kids don't get the money.....so the parents fucked the kids really hard by going to jail and leaving their kids without parents....and no money.......
Same with coming to a country, uproot your kids, and getting your ass kicked out. Kids have no money and no parents

The better question per that analogy is if a parent robs a bank and the kid is innocent the car should the kid get punished like the parents... the answer obviously no. We don’t punish people for crimes they are not responsible for, especially children. What’s wrong with you people. This shouldnt be a hard issue to figure out

I don't get where the punishment is. If the kids didn't do anything to get into the country, then it's not like they're losing their investment.

I can see someone not guilty of the initial crime getting "punished" somewhat unfairly if they bought property they didn't know was stolen, since taking the property back would leave them without the property AND without their money, but this is more like taking back the money a bank robber stole and gave to the kids for nothing. The kids would have never had the money anyway so they're basically restoring the status quo more or less.

They have lived heir whole life here. They didn’t get “money” they are just trying to love their lives in the world that they grew up in. You don’t think kicking them out to a foreign country that they don’t know is punishment? Of course it is. Gain a little empathy man. Put yourself in their shoes. ******* amazing that you don’t get it.

Since you're so concerned about them, then you should call your Congressman and tell him to agree to fund Trump's border wall and to end chain migration. If he isn't willing to do that, then we know he doesn't really give a flying **** about the DACA kids. He just wants to bring in as many illegals as possible.

I see you think extortion is the way to govern.

A smart person would be able to convince Congress that his wall was actually needed & worth the expense. That is the way it is supposed to work.

Trump said he would protect DACA during the campaign.

**** you, the commiecrats position is "resist", you don't bother with un-American shit heads like that. You use force.


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[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't recall you douchebags crying when Obama held the entire country up for ransom.

When & what was that.

Obama held us up for ransom every time we had to raise the debt limit, moron.

What did he take away & then demand somerthing from Republicans to get it back.

Dumbass.

He demanded more spending, or he wouldn't sign raising the debt ceiling. Then you and all the other douchebag Dims blamed Republicans for the deficit.

How stupid are you?

Look, buttbrain, Trump is not saying to build his wall or he won't sign a funding bill.

Your retarded orange POS took a popular program & ended it just to hold it hostage.

Popular program?
How many votes did it receive in House and Senate?

 

[RealDave]

Donald Trump ended DACA with the sole purpose of holding millions of young people hostage until he gets his wall.

He is telling Congress if they don't want to see these people deported, they must give him his wall.

These are people that came here as children. Many have no memories or contact with their origin country. Many don't even speak the language.

These people committed no crime. Their parents did.

And Trump will punish them if he does not get his wall.

And Trumpettes think this is the way our country is supposed to run.

Who knew that the "art of the Deal" is basic Mafia 101.

If a parent robs a bank, and the dies, and the crime is discovered.

I don't think the kid gets to keep the earnings because "he committed no crime".

What a stupid argument. The fact that they are illegally here means they need to be deported.

Stupid comparison.

Where is the "money" in this DACA stuff?

Trump isn't taking something their parents "stole".

He is punishing the kids by causing hardship & in some cases extreme hardship.

But you avoid the point. Governing by ransom.

If he was truly against DACA, he would not allow it.

IOnstead, he really doesxn't give a shit & just uses it as a tool to get his stupid wall.

You still don't get it, 20+ States were preparing law suits on maobamas illegal DACA, Trump short circuited the process and gave congress a chance to fix it, because the DOJ could not defend a clearly illegal program.


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And you are sofa king stupid that you belueve thatg?

If that was the case, Trump would sign any buill fixing it but he won't unless the oversized crybaby gets his stupid wall.

 

[Vastator]

I don't recall you douchebags crying when Obama held the entire country up for ransom.

When & what was that.

Obama held us up for ransom every time we had to raise the debt limit, moron.

What did he take away & then demand somerthing from Republicans to get it back.

Dumbass.

He demanded more spending, or he wouldn't sign raising the debt ceiling. Then you and all the other douchebag Dims blamed Republicans for the deficit.

How stupid are you?

Look, buttbrain, Trump is not saying to build his wall or he won't sign a funding bill.

Your retarded orange POS took a popular program & ended it just to hold it hostage.

Welcome to politics. Works for Republicans too...