Governing by ransom.

[Esmeralda]

Your argument is stupid. It's faulty logic. There is no comparison between being born in the US and robbing a bank.



False analogy definition

(plural false analogies) (logic) An informal fallacy applying to inductive arguments, in which the similarity in one respect of two concepts, objects, or events is taken as sufficient to establish that they are similar in another respect in which they actually are dissimilar.

Yes, because obviously a much more successful analogy would contrast a thing with exactly with itself.

Wait, actually, that's exactly what is NOT an analogy.

What a retarded response. The situations are perfectly equivalent from legal perspective.

Parents did illegal things, as do the kids.

They are absolutely not equivalent. LOL

What a brilliant argument!

You totally demonstrated they are not equivalent by posting that.

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It's not my problem that you can't see they are not equivalent. You should have paid better attention in school. As it is, I'm not your teacher. The fact they are two completely different situations is obvious. Robbing a bank and the child keeping the money is not the same as being born in the US as a citizen. Illegally entering the US is not the same as robbing a bank. Being born here automatically makes one a citizen. No similarity. Two completely different situations.

Analogies always concern different situations.

It seems like your teacher didn't even teach you what an analogy is. I wonder whether you are thus, a nightmare yourself, considering many can't even pass high-school.

A false analogy is when only one or two elements of the situation may be comparable but others are not. Your position is not logically comparable. It's that simple.

 

[bripat9643]

I guess there is such a thing as holding something or someone as a political hostage over a political decision is what is attempted to be inferred here. Don't believe it was the case, but the Demon-crats have tried as always to back Trump into a corner, so here comes the art of the deal.

The problem with this “deal” is that the Republicans now need 60 votes to pass anything which means they need Dems. And when nothing gets done the Republicans and Trump will take the blame. That’s when the balance of power flips back to the Dems. We just saw it happen over the past 8 years to put the Reps in power and it is getting ready to happen again

It doesn't take 60 votes to fund the wall, nimrod. Budget issues only require a simple majority.

Dims will take the blame if they refuse to make any concessions on immigration. It will become obvious to all that their concern about the DACA kids is entirely bogus.

You're wrong on that one, it does take 60 votes, it won't be done under reconciliation rules.


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It's a budget issue. It can be done with a simple majority.

 

[Norman]

Yes, because obviously a much more successful analogy would contrast a thing with exactly with itself.

Wait, actually, that's exactly what is NOT an analogy.

What a retarded response. The situations are perfectly equivalent from legal perspective.

Parents did illegal things, as do the kids.

They are absolutely not equivalent. LOL

What a brilliant argument!

You totally demonstrated they are not equivalent by posting that.

^^^^^
View attachment 170029

It's not my problem that you can't see they are not equivalent. You should have paid better attention in school. As it is, I'm not your teacher. The fact they are two completely different situations is obvious. Robbing a bank and the child keeping the money is not the same as being born in the US as a citizen. Illegally entering the US is not the same as robbing a bank. Being born here automatically makes one a citizen. No similarity. Two completely different situations.

Analogies always concern different situations.

It seems like your teacher didn't even teach you what an analogy is. I wonder whether you are thus, a nightmare yourself, considering many can't even pass high-school.

A false analogy is when only one or two elements of the situation may be comparable but others are not. Your position is not logically comparable. It's that simple.

Nonsense, they are perfectly equivalent and the fact that you can't come up with any relevant differences is not looking good for you.

Build that wall already.

 

[Esmeralda]

Yes, because obviously a much more successful analogy would contrast a thing with exactly with itself.

Wait, actually, that's exactly what is NOT an analogy.

What a retarded response. The situations are perfectly equivalent from legal perspective.

Parents did illegal things, as do the kids.

They are absolutely not equivalent. LOL

What a brilliant argument!

You totally demonstrated they are not equivalent by posting that.

^^^^^
View attachment 170029

It's not my problem that you can't see they are not equivalent. You should have paid better attention in school. As it is, I'm not your teacher. The fact they are two completely different situations is obvious. Robbing a bank and the child keeping the money is not the same as being born in the US as a citizen. Illegally entering the US is not the same as robbing a bank. Being born here automatically makes one a citizen. No similarity. Two completely different situations.

Analogies always concern different situations.

It seems like your teacher didn't even teach you what an analogy is. I wonder whether you are thus, a nightmare yourself, considering many can't even pass high-school.

A false analogy is when only one or two elements of the situation may be comparable but others are not. Your position is not logically comparable. It's that simple.

Bank robbery and being an illegal are not equivalent. They are both crimes and that's about it. Being born in the US is not a crime and is not stealing. No equivalency to keeping stolen money. If we went with your assertion, EVERYONE WHO COMMITTED A CRIME WOULD BE EQUAL TO A BANK ROBBER. It's stupid.

 

[bripat9643]

Yes, because obviously a much more successful analogy would contrast a thing with exactly with itself.

Wait, actually, that's exactly what is NOT an analogy.

What a retarded response. The situations are perfectly equivalent from legal perspective.

Parents did illegal things, as do the kids.

They are absolutely not equivalent. LOL

What a brilliant argument!

You totally demonstrated they are not equivalent by posting that.

^^^^^
View attachment 170029

It's not my problem that you can't see they are not equivalent. You should have paid better attention in school. As it is, I'm not your teacher. The fact they are two completely different situations is obvious. Robbing a bank and the child keeping the money is not the same as being born in the US as a citizen. Illegally entering the US is not the same as robbing a bank. Being born here automatically makes one a citizen. No similarity. Two completely different situations.

Analogies always concern different situations.

It seems like your teacher didn't even teach you what an analogy is. I wonder whether you are thus, a nightmare yourself, considering many can't even pass high-school.

A false analogy is when only one or two elements of the situation may be comparable but others are not. Your position is not logically comparable. It's that simple.

What utter bullshit. Did you really just make that shit up? Here's a clue for you: we aren't as stupid as the snowflakes you are used to dealing with.

 

[bripat9643]

They are absolutely not equivalent. LOL

What a brilliant argument!

You totally demonstrated they are not equivalent by posting that.

^^^^^
View attachment 170029

It's not my problem that you can't see they are not equivalent. You should have paid better attention in school. As it is, I'm not your teacher. The fact they are two completely different situations is obvious. Robbing a bank and the child keeping the money is not the same as being born in the US as a citizen. Illegally entering the US is not the same as robbing a bank. Being born here automatically makes one a citizen. No similarity. Two completely different situations.

Analogies always concern different situations.

It seems like your teacher didn't even teach you what an analogy is. I wonder whether you are thus, a nightmare yourself, considering many can't even pass high-school.

A false analogy is when only one or two elements of the situation may be comparable but others are not. Your position is not logically comparable. It's that simple.

Bank robbery and being an illegal are not equivalent. They are both crimes and that's about it. Being born in the US is not a crime and is not stealing. No equivalency to keeping stolen money. If we went with your assertion, EVERYONE WHO COMMITTED A CRIME WOULD BE EQUAL TO A BANK ROBBER. It's stupid.

Someone born in the USA isn't an illegal, moron. DACA people weren't born here. The are illegal aliens. They have committed a crime.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Keep the hard working, Family oriented, Christian illegals and deport Antifa

 

[Norman]

They are absolutely not equivalent. LOL

What a brilliant argument!

You totally demonstrated they are not equivalent by posting that.

^^^^^
View attachment 170029

It's not my problem that you can't see they are not equivalent. You should have paid better attention in school. As it is, I'm not your teacher. The fact they are two completely different situations is obvious. Robbing a bank and the child keeping the money is not the same as being born in the US as a citizen. Illegally entering the US is not the same as robbing a bank. Being born here automatically makes one a citizen. No similarity. Two completely different situations.

Analogies always concern different situations.

It seems like your teacher didn't even teach you what an analogy is. I wonder whether you are thus, a nightmare yourself, considering many can't even pass high-school.

A false analogy is when only one or two elements of the situation may be comparable but others are not. Your position is not logically comparable. It's that simple.

Bank robbery and being an illegal are not equivalent. They are both crimes and that's about it. Being born in the US is not a crime and is not stealing. No equivalency to keeping stolen money. If we went with your assertion, EVERYONE WHO COMMITTED A CRIME WOULD BE EQUAL TO A BANK ROBBER. It's stupid.

I think you are getting there, they are BOTH CRIMES. Slow steps now, you will eventually figure out the simplest analogy in history.

Bank robbery is equivalent to being an illegal in the sense that they are both crimes. I am fairly convinced I am having a conversation with someone IQ < 63.

 

[Esmeralda]

What a brilliant argument!

You totally demonstrated they are not equivalent by posting that.

^^^^^
View attachment 170029

It's not my problem that you can't see they are not equivalent. You should have paid better attention in school. As it is, I'm not your teacher. The fact they are two completely different situations is obvious. Robbing a bank and the child keeping the money is not the same as being born in the US as a citizen. Illegally entering the US is not the same as robbing a bank. Being born here automatically makes one a citizen. No similarity. Two completely different situations.

Analogies always concern different situations.

It seems like your teacher didn't even teach you what an analogy is. I wonder whether you are thus, a nightmare yourself, considering many can't even pass high-school.

A false analogy is when only one or two elements of the situation may be comparable but others are not. Your position is not logically comparable. It's that simple.

Bank robbery and being an illegal are not equivalent. They are both crimes and that's about it. Being born in the US is not a crime and is not stealing. No equivalency to keeping stolen money. If we went with your assertion, EVERYONE WHO COMMITTED A CRIME WOULD BE EQUAL TO A BANK ROBBER. It's stupid.

Someone born in the USA isn't an illegal, moron. DACA people weren't born here. The are illegal aliens. They have committed a crime.

I am talking about the people who were born here, as in the argument the other poster made. Don't call me names when you haven't even kept up with the discussion.

 

[Norman]

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View attachment 170029

It's not my problem that you can't see they are not equivalent. You should have paid better attention in school. As it is, I'm not your teacher. The fact they are two completely different situations is obvious. Robbing a bank and the child keeping the money is not the same as being born in the US as a citizen. Illegally entering the US is not the same as robbing a bank. Being born here automatically makes one a citizen. No similarity. Two completely different situations.

Analogies always concern different situations.

It seems like your teacher didn't even teach you what an analogy is. I wonder whether you are thus, a nightmare yourself, considering many can't even pass high-school.

A false analogy is when only one or two elements of the situation may be comparable but others are not. Your position is not logically comparable. It's that simple.

Bank robbery and being an illegal are not equivalent. They are both crimes and that's about it. Being born in the US is not a crime and is not stealing. No equivalency to keeping stolen money. If we went with your assertion, EVERYONE WHO COMMITTED A CRIME WOULD BE EQUAL TO A BANK ROBBER. It's stupid.

Someone born in the USA isn't an illegal, moron. DACA people weren't born here. The are illegal aliens. They have committed a crime.

I am talking about the people who were born here, as in the argument the other poster made. Don't call me names when you haven't even kept up with the discussion.

The people born here are not ILLEGALS, you moron! They are Americans... not surprised you can't tell the difference to be honest.

 

[bripat9643]

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View attachment 170029

It's not my problem that you can't see they are not equivalent. You should have paid better attention in school. As it is, I'm not your teacher. The fact they are two completely different situations is obvious. Robbing a bank and the child keeping the money is not the same as being born in the US as a citizen. Illegally entering the US is not the same as robbing a bank. Being born here automatically makes one a citizen. No similarity. Two completely different situations.

Analogies always concern different situations.

It seems like your teacher didn't even teach you what an analogy is. I wonder whether you are thus, a nightmare yourself, considering many can't even pass high-school.

A false analogy is when only one or two elements of the situation may be comparable but others are not. Your position is not logically comparable. It's that simple.

Bank robbery and being an illegal are not equivalent. They are both crimes and that's about it. Being born in the US is not a crime and is not stealing. No equivalency to keeping stolen money. If we went with your assertion, EVERYONE WHO COMMITTED A CRIME WOULD BE EQUAL TO A BANK ROBBER. It's stupid.

Someone born in the USA isn't an illegal, moron. DACA people weren't born here. The are illegal aliens. They have committed a crime.

I am talking about the people who were born here, as in the argument the other poster made. Don't call me names when you haven't even kept up with the discussion.

I thought we were talking about DACA.

 

[Dr Grump]

So which part about the fact that they are here illegally do you disagree with? Why are you endorsing crime?

We should have the wall, and deport the nightmares.

Your country was built on immigrants.

 

[Dr Grump]

Leftists **** their kids up at every turn, then complain.

I'd rather my kid be a leftie than a Deplorable. At least being a leftie they'd have a couple of brain cells to rub together. I've seen rocks show more signs of intelligence than a Trump Deplorable.

 

[Dr Grump]

It's the same thing ..

Only a dumbarse, thick-as-pig-shit Deplorable would think so. So, are you?

 

[Dr Grump]

So your argument is now: "But muh feelz!"

Your retorts just keep getting more and more brilliant by the post!

I think he's more amused by your pathetic points of view. Your argument is so off base it beggar's belief. Then I remember you voted for Trump and it all makes sense. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

 

[nat4900]

If a parent robs a bank, and the dies, and the crime is discovered.

I don't think the kid gets to keep the earnings because "he committed no crime".

Moron........IF the sins of the father must be borne by the father's child, THEN your orange clown would be in serious racial guilt from good ol' FRED TRUMP.

 

[beagle9]

The better question per that analogy is if a parent robs a bank and the kid is innocent the car should the kid get punished like the parents... the answer obviously no. We don’t punish people for crimes they are not responsible for, especially children. What’s wrong with you people. This shouldnt be a hard issue to figure out

I don't get where the punishment is. If the kids didn't do anything to get into the country, then it's not like they're losing their investment.

I can see someone not guilty of the initial crime getting "punished" somewhat unfairly if they bought property they didn't know was stolen, since taking the property back would leave them without the property AND without their money, but this is more like taking back the money a bank robber stole and gave to the kids for nothing. The kids would have never had the money anyway so they're basically restoring the status quo more or less.

They have lived heir whole life here. They didn’t get “money” they are just trying to love their lives in the world that they grew up in. You don’t think kicking them out to a foreign country that they don’t know is punishment? Of course it is. Gain a little empathy man. Put yourself in their shoes. ******* amazing that you don’t get it.

there are 7 billion people in the world, how many do we have to support before we go bankrupt

How much are the DACA people costing us?

How much does it cost to educate 800,000 people for 12 years at an average of 15k each. And that's just the start. There's a special 4 billion a year medicade fund to pay their medical costs. I could go on, but if you don't get it now you're not worth the effort.


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. Yeah, and sadly here we have all this bullcrap going on with SS, and how it's going broke, and people need to work to 70 years old, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.. And in the mean time we have all this bullcrap going on. What a flippin scam it all is.

 

[RealDave]

Donald Trump ended DACA with the sole purpose of holding millions of young people hostage until he gets his wall.

He is telling Congress if they don't want to see these people deported, they must give him his wall.

These are people that came here as children. Many have no memories or contact with their origin country. Many don't even speak the language.

These people committed no crime. Their parents did.

And Trump will punish them if he does not get his wall.

And Trumpettes think this is the way our country is supposed to run.

Who knew that the "art of the Deal" is basic Mafia 101.

If a parent robs a bank, and the dies, and the crime is discovered.

I don't think the kid gets to keep the earnings because "he committed no crime".

What a stupid argument. The fact that they are illegally here means they need to be deported.

Stupid comparison.

Where is the "money" in this DACA stuff?

Trump isn't taking something their parents "stole".

He is punishing the kids by causing hardship & in some cases extreme hardship.

But you avoid the point. Governing by ransom.

If he was truly against DACA, he would not allow it.

IOnstead, he really doesxn't give a shit & just uses it as a tool to get his stupid wall.

 

[RealDave]

The title should read:

"Governing by art of the deal."

I guess you think Trump knows how to make a deal.

How is that deal working out with NK, Iran, Nafta, any trade deal?

 

[RealDave]

If a parent robs a bank, and the dies, and the crime is discovered.

I don't think the kid gets to keep the earnings because "he committed no crime".

What a stupid argument. The fact that they are illegally here means they need to be deported.

What a dumbarse analogy. That's like saying "I like aeroplanes" and you replying "Bubblegum". Two totally unrelated things. Then again, you are a Deplorable.

So which part about the fact that they are here illegally do you disagree with? Why are you endorsing crime?

We should have the wall, and deport the nightmares.

They are more American than they are their origin country.