Gov. Ron DeSantis touts Constitutional Convention to write a Balanced Budget Amendment

[Independent thinker]

How does the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment not fix the problem of Congress adding to the national debt, year after year?

Why did you edit my post which answered your question?

 

[johnwk]

You would need to contact the guys working on it. I just donate to them. Watch the video below to see the simulated convention.

I'm not interested in a propaganda video. I'm interested in solving a problem . . . Congress adding to our national debt year after year.

For one who is on board with wanting Congress to balance the budget, I am surprised you have no opinion on either H. J. RES. 17 or the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment. Why on earth would you donate to those promoting a BBA if you have no opinion on what is being offered?

Additionally, I still would like you to answer my question. How is a convention convened once ". . . the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments . . . " is made?

You indicated that neither Congress, the Senate or the Supreme Court gets involved.

So, how does the Convention get convened once application is made by the States?

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[johnwk]

Why did you edit my post which answered your question?

You did assert as fact that ". . . a balanced budget amendment won't fix anything."

So, please explain how the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment does not fix the problem of Congress adding to the national debt, year after year.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

When you consider how democrats already abuse the justice and legal system, think of what they’d try to pull with a constitutional convention.

 

[johnwk]

When you consider how democrats already abuse the justice and legal system, think of what they’d try to pull with a constitutional convention.

Well, as you can see, the FIFTH COLUMN activists you mention constantly make stuff up, and when asked to defend their made up crap, they disappear and refuse to engage in a productive dialogue to defend their made up crap.

Aside from that, James Madison has already painted a picture describing what they’d try to pull with a constitutional convention.


”… an election into it would be courted by the most violent partizans on both sides; it wd. probably consist of the most heterogeneous characters; would be the very focus of that flame which has already too much heated men of all parties; would no doubt contain individuals of insidious views, who under the mask of seeking alterations popular in some parts but inadmissible in other parts of the Union might have a dangerous opportunity of sapping the very foundations of the fabric.” See: From James Madison to George Lee Turberville, 2 November 1788

 

[Godboy]

3 years ago I admired DeSantis. Not no more.

He refuses to enforce Florida Statute 790.166 He is an Israeli agent.

Shut up, retard. Youre fuckin gay.

 

[kyzr]

I'm not interested in a propaganda video. I'm interested in solving a problem . . . Congress adding to our national debt year after year. For one who is on board with wanting Congress to balance the budget, I am surprised you have no opinion on either H. J. RES. 17 or the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment. Why on earth would you donate to those promoting a BBA if you have no opinion on what is being offered?

I showed you the link and the video and the option to watch a simulation.
I want the COS and Balanced Budget Amendment, and Term Limits, and more States Rights.

Additionally, I still would like you to answer my question. How is a convention convened once ". . . the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments . . . " is made?

The Process - Convention of States Foundation

Learn about the process of an Article V convention for proposing amendments. Discover how state legislatures can act to limit federal power, restore balance, and protect liberty through the Convention of States Foundation.

conventionofstatesfoundation.org

1. 34 state legislatures apply for a convention to propose amendments on a specified topic.

• The topics specified in the applications must be the same, in order for them to aggregate.
• The topics in the aggregated applications set the agenda for the Article V Convention

2. Congress “calls” the Article V Convention, by setting the time and place.

• The entity that “calls” the meeting does not exercise any authority other than setting the time and place.
• Issuing the call is a ministerial duty.

3. The States select, instruct, and send delegates to the amendment-proposing convention.

• All states can participate, even those that did not apply.
• States select the delegates who will act as their agents at the convention, and instruct them on the scope of their authority.

4. Article V Convention Occurs

• Proposed amendments supported by the majority of state delegations are sent to the States for ratification.
• States may send as many delegates as they choose, but each state only gets one vote when the convention begins.

5. Congress selects the method of state ratification.

• By the specific terms of Article V, Congress must choose between two options for state ratification: ratification by state legislatures or by state ratifying conventions.

6. Proposed amendments only become effective if ratified by 38 states.

• It only takes 13 states to stop a bad amendment.

7. The Constitution is amended.

• By asserting constitutional power under Article V, states can act as a final check on rampant federal overreach, and restore the proper balance of power.

You indicated that neither Congress, the Senate or the Supreme Court gets involved.
So, how does the Convention get convened once application is made by the States?

Congress convenes the COS and states the "method of ratification", see #5 above.. After that its all Article V as the STATES vote. (not Congress, not the President, nor Supreme Court)

 

[johnwk]

I showed you the link and the video and the option to watch a simulation.
I want the COS and Balanced Budget Amendment, and Term Limits, and more States Rights.

The Process - Convention of States Foundation

Learn about the process of an Article V convention for proposing amendments. Discover how state legislatures can act to limit federal power, restore balance, and protect liberty through the Convention of States Foundation.

conventionofstatesfoundation.org

1. 34 state legislatures apply for a convention to propose amendments on a specified topic.

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So, all you offer is the opinions of others. Let us stick to the actual wording of the Constitution, and the only precedent we have which is the Convention of 1787.

In you own words, please answer my question. How is a convention convened once ". . . the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments . . . " is made?

You indicated that neither Congress, the Senate or the Supreme Court gets involved.

We all have seen how Congress can't get anything done. How can Congress be forced to call a Convention once ". . . the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States . . . " is met?


I still am surprised you have no opinion on either H. J. RES. 17 or the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment. Why on earth would you donate to those promoting a BBA if you have no opinion on what is being offered?

 

[kyzr]

So, all you offer is the opinions of others. Let us stick to the actual wording of the Constitution, and the only precedent we have which is the Convention of 1787.

I prefer my credible links.

In your own words, please answer my question. How is a convention convened once ". . . the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments . . . " is made?

...asked and answered.
2. Congress “calls” the Article V Convention, by setting the time and place.

• The entity that “calls” the meeting does not exercise any authority other than setting the time and place.
• Issuing the call is a ministerial duty, plus setting the "method of ratification"

You indicated that neither Congress, the Senate or the Supreme Court gets involved.

...after the Article V Convention of States is convened, and after the "method of ratification" is established.

We all have seen how Congress can't get anything done. How can Congress be forced to call a Convention once ". . . the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States . . . " is met?

Mike Johnson would get it done.

I still am surprised you have no opinion on either H. J. RES. 17 or the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment. Why on earth would you donate to those promoting a BBA if you have no opinion on what is being offered?

I want a "balanced Budget Amendment", I don't care what flavor it is.
I don't want the dollar to collapse, which is the track we are on.

 

[johnwk]

I prefer my credible links.

...asked and answered.
2. Congress “calls” the Article V Convention, by setting the time and place.

That wording is not in the Constitution. Additionally, you just confirmed you were in error when indicating that neither Congress, the Senate or the Supreme Court gets involved once ". . . the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States . . . " is met. Congress, both the House and Senate get involved. And to what extent they get involved is not mentioned in the Constitution, which suggests our Supreme Court will also get involved once lawfare begins.

The fact is, Congress and our Supreme Court [THE ESTABLISHMENT which now causes our misery] would have extraordinary manipulative powers over the rules of a convention and its legitimacy.

 

[johnwk]

I want a "balanced Budget Amendment", I don't care what flavor it is.

What you say above indicates you would support a "balanced budget amendment" even if it made constitutional, what Congress is currently doing.

That, my friend, is absurd thinking.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Why did you edit my post which answered your question?

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Editing another person's post is a violation of TOS.

Did you nail him/her/it?


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[johnwk]

I don't want the dollar to collapse, which is the track we are on.

The dollar

is not collapsing.

The Federal Reserve Note [funny money]

is already collapsed

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

The dollar

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is not collapsing.

The Federal Reserve Note [funny money]

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is already collapsed

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Wow! Is that place in the bottom photo real?

I've seen old video of a couple of businesses that will take payment in pre-1964 coins for their melt value. We need places like that.


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[johnwk]

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Wow! Is that place in the bottom photo real?

I've seen old video of a couple of businesses that will take payment in pre-1964 coins for their melt value. We need places like that.


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[Independent thinker]

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Editing another person's post is a violation of TOS.

Did you nail him/her/it?


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Well, it was a grey area. He could argue he didn't edit my post, meaning changed, but he did edit out completely all of my post but for the first sentence. That's probably not technically against the rules.

 

[johnwk]

Well, it was a grey area. He could argue he didn't edit my post, meaning changed, but he did edit out completely all of my post but for the first sentence. That's probably not technically against the rules.

And you still have not explained how does the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment not fix the problem of Congress adding to the national debt, year after year. You did write: Fact is, a balanced budget amendment won't fix anything.

 

[Independent thinker]

And you still have not explained how does the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment not fix the problem of Congress adding to the national debt, year after year. You did write: Fact is, a balanced budget amendment won't fix anything.

And I explained why in the sentences afterward.

 

[johnwk]

And I explained why in the sentences afterward.

And your explanation turns out to be false with respect to the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment. The fact is, the FSBBA does address, and fix, the problem of Congress adding to the national debt, year after year.

 

[Independent thinker]

And your explanation turns out to be false with respect to the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment. The fact is, the FSBBA does address, and fix, the problem of Congress adding to the national debt, year after year.

You are delusional and I say that has a conservative who wants fiscal responsibility.