ajwps
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Originally posted by Yurt
I posted the original reply, BECAUSE you never answered the question. My intent on asking the question should not matter if you have the truth. I all ask was that you answer the question.
Yurt I am attempting to determine your original QUESTION so that I may reply to it.
Your original post:
First, it is absolutely incorrect to compare the memory of people today with those 2000 years ago. With so much mass media people barely remember what happened on 9/11. Back then, it was not so. In fact, before there was mass education, most people did not know how to read or write. So history was past down via orally. This custom is still practiced in many indigengous tribes. So the fact that the story was told orally then written down at a later date is really no big deal, if you consider the time period, which you must, because it is not at all comparable to today.
In the time of Jesus and specifically in the holy land, the majority of the people were for the most part very educated and learned even without mass media newspapers or TV.
In those days, most every boy child was required to read, write and learn from childhood. The same as with Jesus and every young male, they went to school and even after they went to work as young adults were required to continue learing and studying their Biblical texts (Torah and the Talmud) concerning subjects such as civil laws, rules dealing with daily activity between one's fellow men and women, trade, ethics, criminal law and many more subjects. This is what is referred to in the NT Gospel that Jesus went to study with the Rabbis in the Synagogues which also infers that the majority of all males in those days and continues to this very day but to a lesser degree now with Jewish children.
Girl children were not required to learn and study to the same extent but were required to mainly learn the duties and obligations of Jewish women in the home and family.
So your contention that people were uneducated as compared to today is incorrect. This word of mouth to other word to mouth information was incorrect. There was a historian of the day by the name of Josephus. A Jewish man who under the rules of the Roman government actually wrote down the history of that time as derived from observation and perusing the library of information provided by the Romans. We actually have a record of the events of those days. The fact that Josephus history even in a small part spoke of the man Jesus is now pretty much accepted to be later additions to Josephus history by Christian revisionists in an attempt for proof of Jesus.
http://www.africawithin.com/religion/jesus_puzzle.htm
The Gospel Jesus and his story is equally missing from the non-Christian record of the time. Philo of Alexandria, the Jewish historian Justus of Tiberias, Pliny the Elder as collector of reputed natural phenomena, early Roman satirists and philosophers: all are silent. Pliny the Younger, in his letter to Trajan from Bithynia c.112, does not speak of Christ in historical terms. JosephusÂ’ famous passage in Antiquities 18 is acknowledged to be, as it stands, a Christian interpolation, and arguments that an original reference to Jesus either stood there or can be distilled from the present one, founder on the universal silence about such a reference on the part of Christian commentators until the 4th century.2 As for the reference in Antiquities 20 to James as "brother of Jesus, the one called (the) Christ", this passage also bears the marks of Christian interference.3 The phrase originally used by Josephus may have been the same designation which Paul gives to James (Galatians 1:19), namely "brother of the Lord," which would have referred not to a sibling relationship with Jesus, but to JamesÂ’ position in the Jerusalem brotherhood, something which was probably widely known. A Christian copyist could later have altered the phrase (under the influence of Matthew 1:16) to render it more "historical" after Jesus of Nazareth was developed. [For a complete examination (and partial rethinking) of the Josephus question, see Supplementary Article No 10: Josephus Unbound: Reopening the Josephus Question.]
See the Flavius Josephus translation history of those times at:
http://www.biblenet.net/library/josephus/warTOC.html
Second, if you really believe that a stone tablet is comparable with today's writing standards, please, give me something better. It was not until the printing press that mass media began to be available. That was my point, there was NOT mass media back then. Therefore, most people handed down stories through oral history.
Actually I was attempting to demonstrate that the ability of mankind to write on a media existed long before the time of Jesus Christ as seen by the time frame of the first known attempt by man to put down words on a stone media.
Oral histories soon became distorted as is the nature of the human mind. The only exception is that if one man was required to memorize one simple line or paragraph and pass it on to another man verbatim to memorize the same identical words and on to another. There is no evidence that this was the way the NT was passed onto the Gospel writers some 60 to 90 years after the death of Jesus on the cross.