theunbubba
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Ah I see I hit a libtard nerve. Too bad there squeaky. Hitler wasn't a threat until he built his forces up while the world pissed away valuable time.
Kiss my ass.
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Ah I see I hit a libtard nerve. Too bad there squeaky. Hitler wasn't a threat until he built his forces up while the world pissed away valuable time.
Kiss my ass.
Agreed. It is more subversive. It is simmering. Maybe if we could just get the kids addicted to IPods and Computer Games they will take a pass on Martyrdom.
theunbubba
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Blog posts?LMAO you are reaching for the straw. :
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZHQj5EGc5o]Glenn Beck & Al-Jazeera TV on "Hezbollah in Mexico" - YouTube[/ame]
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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2QZR9S_hOE&feature=related]Undercover Agent Discusses Hezbollah in Mexico - YouTube[/ame]
Oscar Wao
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Oscar Wao
Victory is Mine
theunbubba
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Politifact:
Supporting libtard lies for several years.
What a joke.
Supporting libtard lies for several years.
What a joke.
Oddball
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No maybe about it.
Agreed. It is more subversive. It is simmering. Maybe if we could just get the kids addicted to IPods and Computer Games they will take a pass on Martyrdom.
Maybe if would-be suicide bombers were into computer games and IPods as much as American kids, they could be distracted from jihad just as effectively as American kids are distracted from the Constitution.
Think about it.
Oddball
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ladyliberal
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Sorry, what was I thinking? Of course the New York Times blog is worthless as a secondary source. Here's the article (see, not a blog) http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/u...rorism-and-a-different-birth-certificate.html
Anticipating your next reflexive objection, here is the State Department report:
Country Reports on Terrorism 2010 Western Hemisphere Overview
It notes that
"There were no known operational cells of either al-QaÂ’ida- or Hizballah-related groups in the hemisphere, although ideological sympathizers in South America and the Caribbean continued to provide financial and moral support to these and other terrorist groups in the Middle East and South Asia."
It does note specific Hizballah-related activity in certain countries. Mexico is not one of them. As a reminder, the statement being factchecked is, according to the NYTimes (yes, one of their blogs)
Perry: Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas "are using Mexico as a way to penetrate into the southern part of the United States."
I will admit, if you like, that it is logically impossible to prove that they *aren't* trying to penetrate the US in exactly this way.
Law Of The Sea
Iran says closing the waterway is justified because governments like the United States and Britain have imposed economic sanctions on Tehran over its nuclear program, which they believe is a front for weapons development and which Tehran insists is peaceful. Iran's saber-rattling in the strait is aimed at heading off increasing efforts to curb its oil exports, and it says maritime law supports such a move.
But James Kraska, a professor of international law at the U.S. Naval War College's Center for Naval Warfare Studies, says relevant law in this case is the UN's 1982 Convention on the Law of the Sea.
"Under that convention, transit through international straits is guaranteed for all countries, so there would not be a legal basis to close the [Hormuz] Strait," he said. "And transit through the strait includes transit in the air, on the surface, as well as under the water. There's no requirement to seek the coastal states' permission, and there's no lawful basis for the coastal states to impede the transit."
Neither Iran nor the United States are among the treaty's 150 signatories, but Kraska says the convention is "customary law" that has been recognized for centuries. The waters in the strait have dual status, he says. They are technically Iranian territory, but they are also an international strait, and that gives foreign ships "a higher right of transit."
Naval Power Rules
But let's say Iran blocks it anyway. Does it have the military capacity to then take on a naval power like the United States, which is certain to respond?
A 2008 report by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy said Iran was "essentially in control of the world's oil lifeline" and had the capability to "wage unique asymmetric warfare against larger naval forces." The institute's Michael Eisenstadt says blocking the strait is "something Iran has been preparing for for years."
"Iran has been investing for decades now on creating a naval guerrilla force which would have the capability of at least interfering with shipping through the Strait of Hormuz and perhaps closing it, at least temporarily, using a combination of mines, small boats, antiship cruise missiles, submarines -- both midget submarines as well as conventional submarines -- and most recently ballistic missiles," Eisenstadt says.
Karasik of the Institute for Near East & Gulf Military Analysis agrees. "Iran's specialty is asymmetric warfare," he notes. "This is what they practice in their simulations and their exercises. This includes the use of small ships or boats, also suicide boats, underwater warfare capability, combined with the use of ballistic and cruise missiles. So they can pack a punch if they are able to get these weapons off the ground."
Explainer: Iran's Threat to Blockade The Strait Of Hormuz
Iran says closing the waterway is justified because governments like the United States and Britain have imposed economic sanctions on Tehran over its nuclear program, which they believe is a front for weapons development and which Tehran insists is peaceful. Iran's saber-rattling in the strait is aimed at heading off increasing efforts to curb its oil exports, and it says maritime law supports such a move.
But James Kraska, a professor of international law at the U.S. Naval War College's Center for Naval Warfare Studies, says relevant law in this case is the UN's 1982 Convention on the Law of the Sea.
"Under that convention, transit through international straits is guaranteed for all countries, so there would not be a legal basis to close the [Hormuz] Strait," he said. "And transit through the strait includes transit in the air, on the surface, as well as under the water. There's no requirement to seek the coastal states' permission, and there's no lawful basis for the coastal states to impede the transit."
Neither Iran nor the United States are among the treaty's 150 signatories, but Kraska says the convention is "customary law" that has been recognized for centuries. The waters in the strait have dual status, he says. They are technically Iranian territory, but they are also an international strait, and that gives foreign ships "a higher right of transit."
Naval Power Rules
But let's say Iran blocks it anyway. Does it have the military capacity to then take on a naval power like the United States, which is certain to respond?
A 2008 report by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy said Iran was "essentially in control of the world's oil lifeline" and had the capability to "wage unique asymmetric warfare against larger naval forces." The institute's Michael Eisenstadt says blocking the strait is "something Iran has been preparing for for years."
"Iran has been investing for decades now on creating a naval guerrilla force which would have the capability of at least interfering with shipping through the Strait of Hormuz and perhaps closing it, at least temporarily, using a combination of mines, small boats, antiship cruise missiles, submarines -- both midget submarines as well as conventional submarines -- and most recently ballistic missiles," Eisenstadt says.
Karasik of the Institute for Near East & Gulf Military Analysis agrees. "Iran's specialty is asymmetric warfare," he notes. "This is what they practice in their simulations and their exercises. This includes the use of small ships or boats, also suicide boats, underwater warfare capability, combined with the use of ballistic and cruise missiles. So they can pack a punch if they are able to get these weapons off the ground."
Explainer: Iran's Threat to Blockade The Strait Of Hormuz
Oddball
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Iran trying to blockade the Strait of Hormuz will piss off a lot more than America.
More yipping and yapping from the dopey despot strawman of the week.
Dude, quit falling for it.
More yipping and yapping from the dopey despot strawman of the week.
Dude, quit falling for it.
Oscar Wao
Victory is Mine
If I were Ron Paul, I'd calculate the cost of war with Iran, then at a debate, I'd say "OK, fine, we'll go to war with Iran. But, WE are going to fund it, that way the national debt doesn't go up!" Then, I'd give them the figures.
More support for Paul would skyrocket in seconds.
More support for Paul would skyrocket in seconds.
Oddball
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Too bad that Harry Browne is dead.
Let me channel........
"The Middle East policy doesn't work because gubmint doesn't work....You want to put the same people who have bankrupted Social Security in charge of foreign policy?....You want the same jackholes that caused the housing bubble to tell us how to conduct trade with China?...Haven't you heard that the Postal Service (A ******* MONOPOLY!) can't find a way to support their operations?....How do you expect that the same mindset projected onto an international level will achieve any better results?
C'mon, neocons....Dazzle us.
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I asked you why you call it an "absurb claim" about Hezbollah entering the US from the Southern border? Do you have an answer?
SAT2
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The people in power in Iran desire a continuation of that power. Not to usher in the apocalypse.
Who makes this shit up? Did you think it up on your own?
I'm relaying current information, without comment. You are projecting.
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