"GOP 2.0" Launches

[Mac-7]

So you think that being on opposite ends of taxation, abortion, gay rights, guns, foreign affairs, the environment, budgeting, immigration, health care, energy, culture and other issues is an indication of "minor disagreements over insignificant issues".

I dont see how anyone can be to the left on those issues and still claim to be a republican

 

[22lcidw]

While I admire these Republicans for trying to stay and fight rather than start a third party, this seems a little quixotic to me.

Who knows. Anyway, good luck, folks. Your party and its embarrassing conspiracies are hurting this country.

GOP 2.0 | A Better Way Forward

GOP 2.0 is an independent movement that brings a fresh and reasoned approach to creating Republican majorities.

www.gop2.org

The should have just spun off.

They're in a no-win position. If they spin off, they lose their massive infrastructure. If they stay, it's David vs. Goliath.

This is gonna take a while, for sure.

They have a 3rd alternative, you know. They can join up with their anti-Trump allies in the Democrat Party and take a stand. After all, they supported the anti-Trump forces in 2020 and were successful. Why not keep a winning (from their perspective) combination?

Because they have strong policy disagreements with the Democrats.

Obviously.

They may have policy disagreements, but none so great that it would change their votes. It would seem to be smarter to reach across the aisle and work with their allies instead.

Thinking that Trump is an embarrassing and dangerous buffoon is not a matter of partisan politics.

These people are political adversaries otherwise. I'd think that would be obvious.

You had a half century of the buffoon in office now. Only he changes views with the wind. He would put you in a death camp if the wind changed that way. That is the flaw in Prog agendas. Most political people do not believe in them. Leaving themselves with power and money for the sell out.

 

[Likkmee]

We need a TRUE Republic -an

 

[Polishprince]

We need a TRUE Republic -an

Rep. Traficant was a Democrat, but one that I could vote for when he served as my Congressman.

Most honest liberal in my lifetime.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Well, they're trying. But I'm skeptical of how effective this is going to be and how adamant they really are about separating from Trumpism.

Either they're going to find themselves without a viable party or they're just going to jump on board with the Trumpsters.

I suspect we'll see more of the latter, but I wish them the best in their efforts. They already just stood by and let Trumpism happen to their party. They already made their bed.

 

[Mac1958]

So you think that being on opposite ends of taxation, abortion, gay rights, guns, foreign affairs, the environment, budgeting, immigration, health care, energy, culture and other issues is an indication of "minor disagreements over insignificant issues".

I dont see how anyone can be to the left on those issues and still claim to be a republican

No, I was addressing his claim that never Trumper Republicans aren't that dissimilar from Democrats. They're quite different on the issues.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well, they're trying. But I'm skeptical of how effective this is going to be and how adamant they really are about separating from Trumpism.

Either they're going to find themselves without a viable party or they're just going to jump on board with the Trumpsters.

I suspect we'll see more of the latter, but I wish them the best in their efforts.

So you think that being on opposite ends of taxation, abortion, gay rights, guns, foreign affairs, the environment, budgeting, immigration, health care, energy, culture and other issues is an indication of "minor disagreements over insignificant issues".

I dont see how anyone can be to the left on those issues and still claim to be a republican

No, I was addressing his claim that never Trumper Republicans aren't that dissimilar from Democrats. They're quite different on the issues.

See how easily confused the Trumpers are, now? The conversion of "conservatism" to "Trumpism" has already occured in their brains. So if you try to have any type of nuanced discussion with them, you have to walk them through their errors step by step.

"No, son, disliking Trump doesn't make one a liberal"

 

[Mac1958]

Well, they're trying. But I'm skeptical of how effective this is going to be and how adamant they really are about separating from Trumpism.

Either they're going to find themselves without a viable party or they're just going to jump on board with the Trumpsters.

I suspect we'll see more of the latter, but I wish them the best in their efforts.

So you think that being on opposite ends of taxation, abortion, gay rights, guns, foreign affairs, the environment, budgeting, immigration, health care, energy, culture and other issues is an indication of "minor disagreements over insignificant issues".

I dont see how anyone can be to the left on those issues and still claim to be a republican

No, I was addressing his claim that never Trumper Republicans aren't that dissimilar from Democrats. They're quite different on the issues.

See how easily confused the Trumpers are, now? The conversion of "conservatism" to "Trumpism" has already occured in their brains. So if you try to have any type of nuanced discussion with them, you have to walk them through their errors step by step.

"No, son, disliking Trump doesn't make one a liberal"

I only put so much effort into it at this point.

Pretty soon we're going to need translators to communicate with them.

 

[Mac-7]

I was addressing his claim that never Trumper Republicans aren't that dissimilar from Democrats. They're quite different on the issues.

To me issues are more important than personality

And trump was at least 80% with most anti trumpers

If you notice the nati’s are mostly well-connected inside washington swamp rats who care more about protecting the perks of their fiefdoms than moving forward the agenda they all largely support

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well, they're trying. But I'm skeptical of how effective this is going to be and how adamant they really are about separating from Trumpism.

Either they're going to find themselves without a viable party or they're just going to jump on board with the Trumpsters.

I suspect we'll see more of the latter, but I wish them the best in their efforts.

So you think that being on opposite ends of taxation, abortion, gay rights, guns, foreign affairs, the environment, budgeting, immigration, health care, energy, culture and other issues is an indication of "minor disagreements over insignificant issues".

I dont see how anyone can be to the left on those issues and still claim to be a republican

No, I was addressing his claim that never Trumper Republicans aren't that dissimilar from Democrats. They're quite different on the issues.

See how easily confused the Trumpers are, now? The conversion of "conservatism" to "Trumpism" has already occured in their brains. So if you try to have any type of nuanced discussion with them, you have to walk them through their errors step by step.

"No, son, disliking Trump doesn't make one a liberal"

I only put so much effort into it at this point.

Pretty soon we're going to need translators to communicate with them.

They have spent so much time gaslighting themselves and everyone else, i don't think they have a firm grasp on reality anymore. The only reference they have for what is true is the rumblings of their own colons and the brain diarrhea of the orange king.

 

[GMCGeneral]

While I admire these Republicans for trying to stay and fight rather than start a third party, this seems a little quixotic to me.

Who knows. Anyway, good luck, folks. Your party and its embarrassing conspiracies are hurting this country.

GOP 2.0 | A Better Way Forward

GOP 2.0 is an independent movement that brings a fresh and reasoned approach to creating Republican majorities.

www.gop2.org

The should have just spun off.

They're in a no-win position. If they spin off, they lose their massive infrastructure. If they stay, it's David vs. Goliath.

This is gonna take a while, for sure.

The tRumpling party will absorb them without a burp.

The Republican party has their tongues up your a**es. The nation keeps moving left. It is difficult to be a Republican because it is promoted as uncaring and mean and then the 4 letter words by the people in control. The founding fathers warned us about this. "See if you can keep your Republic". Well the passing of the Federal Reserve Act has led us to here. If we kept that Act under control it would be different. But politicians started to give things away and start massive social programs. Democracy became the way of the land instead of a Republic. Look how we vote now. If you Progs did win the 2020 election it was for pure personal selfishness in getting free stuff with the politicians/actors/media pushing the hate agendas to the max. It took a long time for Repub voters to become aware what is happening. The Party is not responding to them. And if they did not lie to their own voters this would not be happening. But many are beholden to something else. You see how some leave.

if it wasnt for the federal reserve act, we would need some billionaire to bail out the banking system every time it crashed.
This was proven in 1907 when JP Morgan had to bail out the banks.

We should have stayed on the Gold Standard and not enact more government welfare spending.

 

[GMCGeneral]

I was addressing his claim that never Trumper Republicans aren't that dissimilar from Democrats. They're quite different on the issues.

To me issues are more important than personality

And trump was at least 80% with most anti trumpers

If you notice the nati’s are mostly well-connected inside washington swamp rats who care more about protecting the perks of their fiefdoms than moving forward the agenda they all largely support

Trump would rub on on you like 500 grit sandpaper, but his policies worked for all Americans.

 

[GMCGeneral]

While I admire these Republicans for trying to stay and fight rather than start a third party, this seems a little quixotic to me.

Who knows. Anyway, good luck, folks. Your party and its embarrassing conspiracies are hurting this country.

GOP 2.0 | A Better Way Forward

GOP 2.0 is an independent movement that brings a fresh and reasoned approach to creating Republican majorities.

www.gop2.org

The should have just spun off.

They're in a no-win position. If they spin off, they lose their massive infrastructure. If they stay, it's David vs. Goliath.

This is gonna take a while, for sure.

They have a 3rd alternative, you know. They can join up with their anti-Trump allies in the Democrat Party and take a stand. After all, they supported the anti-Trump forces in 2020 and were successful. Why not keep a winning (from their perspective) combination?

Because they have strong policy disagreements with the Democrats.

Obviously.

That's fucking laughable. These country club RINOs are basically Democrat-Lyte.

 

[Meathead]

While I admire these Republicans for trying to stay and fight rather than start a third party, this seems a little quixotic to me.

Who knows. Anyway, good luck, folks. Your party and its embarrassing conspiracies are hurting this country.

GOP 2.0 | A Better Way Forward

GOP 2.0 is an independent movement that brings a fresh and reasoned approach to creating Republican majorities.

www.gop2.org

GOP 2.0 started 5 years ago.

 

[Polishprince]

While I admire these Republicans for trying to stay and fight rather than start a third party, this seems a little quixotic to me.

Who knows. Anyway, good luck, folks. Your party and its embarrassing conspiracies are hurting this country.

GOP 2.0 | A Better Way Forward

GOP 2.0 is an independent movement that brings a fresh and reasoned approach to creating Republican majorities.

www.gop2.org

The should have just spun off.

They're in a no-win position. If they spin off, they lose their massive infrastructure. If they stay, it's David vs. Goliath.

This is gonna take a while, for sure.

They have a 3rd alternative, you know. They can join up with their anti-Trump allies in the Democrat Party and take a stand. After all, they supported the anti-Trump forces in 2020 and were successful. Why not keep a winning (from their perspective) combination?

Because they have strong policy disagreements with the Democrats.

Obviously.

That's fucking laughable. These country club RINOs are basically Democrat-Lyte.

The real problem is that guys like Romney talk a good game, but they don't actually accomplish anything. And voters won't put up with that bullshit any more.

 

[Mac1958]

Well, they're trying. But I'm skeptical of how effective this is going to be and how adamant they really are about separating from Trumpism.

Either they're going to find themselves without a viable party or they're just going to jump on board with the Trumpsters.

I suspect we'll see more of the latter, but I wish them the best in their efforts.

So you think that being on opposite ends of taxation, abortion, gay rights, guns, foreign affairs, the environment, budgeting, immigration, health care, energy, culture and other issues is an indication of "minor disagreements over insignificant issues".

I dont see how anyone can be to the left on those issues and still claim to be a republican

No, I was addressing his claim that never Trumper Republicans aren't that dissimilar from Democrats. They're quite different on the issues.

See how easily confused the Trumpers are, now? The conversion of "conservatism" to "Trumpism" has already occured in their brains. So if you try to have any type of nuanced discussion with them, you have to walk them through their errors step by step.

"No, son, disliking Trump doesn't make one a liberal"

I only put so much effort into it at this point.

Pretty soon we're going to need translators to communicate with them.

They have spent so much time gaslighting themselves and everyone else, i don't think they have a firm grasp on reality anymore. The only reference they have for what is true is the rumblings of their own colons and the brain diarrhea of the orange king.

Well, I think that's true. Literally. I don't think they're just playing games. Look in their eyes when you talk with them. They're dead serious. They're terrified that the Chinese tanks will be rolling down the street and we'll be going commie any day now. They really are at war, even if no one else is.

I wish they were just goofing around.

 

[Mac-7]

Trump would rub on on you like 500 grit sandpaper, but his policies worked for all Americans.

Maybe I’m a deplorable, but even trump’s personality was ok with me

Or, I was so happy with his policies that I didnt even notice his personal faults

 

[Mac-7]

They're terrified that the Chinese tanks will be rolling down the street and we'll be going commie any day now.

Not at all

I sorry that the entitled class in Washington is so incompetent the CCP will someday dominate America without firing a shot

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No, Left is tyranny of Communism.

Can you define "communism"?

I'm having a heck of a time getting any Trumpsters to do that.

You'll have an even harder time getting actual communists to agree on the definition.

Here's one that I believe is fitting:

--a stateless political and/or economic system wherein all private property ownership is eliminated and property is held in common (which practically means nobody owns a stake in ANYTHING), and the means of production and distribution are democratically decided.

Communism is a fart in the wind. It is a pipedream that WILL NEVER WORK. It is anarchy that CANNOT last for more than a few days or weeks, because soon, it becomes difficult to manage the voting process, so someone has to devote nearly 100% of his time conducting the distribution of resources. This person is now the state. THIS is what we call SOCIALISM (Marx had it backwards. Socialism comes after Communism) All property is now effectively owned by this person, who is at liberty to deny resources at his own whelm, and when people complain about being denied their part ownership in the resources, this new governor says:

"these resources are not owned by you individually. They are owned by the people."

The response being "we are people."

Reply: "No. You are not the people. You are individual persons. You don't own shit."

"Then, who gets to use these resources"?

"The people."

"But, we are not the people"?

"No."


There is practically ZERO difference between Socialism and Communism because they meld into the same fucking thing in a matter of DAYS, if not HOURS.

Do you want to talk about how the left is going about creating this "utopia"?

 

[Mac1958]

No, Left is tyranny of Communism.

Can you define "communism"?

I'm having a heck of a time getting any Trumpsters to do that.

You'll have an even harder time getting actual communists to agree on the definition.

Here's one that I believe is fitting:

--a stateless political and/or economic system wherein all private property ownership is eliminated and property is held in common (which practically means nobody owns a stake in ANYTHING), and the means of production and distribution are democratically decided.

Communism is a fart in the wind. It is a pipedream that WILL NEVER WORK. It is anarchy that CANNOT last for more than a few days or weeks, because soon, it becomes difficult to manage the voting process, so someone has to devote nearly 100% of his time conducting the distribution of resources. This person is now the state. THIS is what we call SOCIALISM (Marx had it backwards. Socialism comes after Communism) All property is now effectively owned by this person, who is at liberty to deny resources at his own whelm, and when people complain about being denied their part ownership in the resources, this new governor says:

"these resources are not owned by you individually. They are owned by the people."

The response being "we are people."

Reply: "No. You are not the people. You are individual persons. You don't own shit."

"Then, who gets to use these resources"?

"The people."

"But, we are not the people"?

"No."


There is practically ZERO difference between Socialism and Communism because they meld into the same fucking thing in a matter of DAYS, if not HOURS.

Do you want to talk about how the left is going about creating this "utopia"?

You can't honestly connect even people like Bernie Sanders with communism. He's not calling for government ownership and control of all production and distribution. You have to make assumptions and extrapolations. You have to tell us that you know "what he really wants".

You're free to believe whatever you want, and you're free to be as paranoid as you want. I'm just not required to participate.