'Good guy' shoots, kills, and stops mass shooting when man began firing into a crowd with AR-15

[AMart]

Someone here recently said "good guy with a gun is a myth".

Who was it? Remind me.

Faggot cock sucking commie leftists are who said that.

 

[2aguy]

He makes a post from a link that is three hours old about how the MSM is not covering it. Well they have had precious little time. But he wants the same coverage the RW wacko who killed nine in Buffalo got. It the nut who killed 19 kids got.

Why? He is terrified that Fun Control might gain a single point of traction. And he wants to further the claim that good guys with guns save lives.

Well sometimes they do. And sometimes they lose their lives to cops who have no idea that they are the good guy.

And sometimes the good guy does not even clear leather. And sometimes the good guy shoots the wrong person himself.

No media outlet is going to cut in on the developing story about how cops stood around for 40 minutes while the madman was inside the school for a local story with one apparent death. The baddie.

Not when the outside of the school was apparently a Mongolian clusterfuck with nobody in charge and everyone trying to find someone to issue instructions about something. That ain’t being bumped off the front page for this.

And only a blithering idiot would even say that it should.

Want to know what the average guy with a gun looks like? Look at the case of Rittenhouse again. He got into two situations where he fired. And his buddies. All armed to put a stop to the rioters. Did exactly nothing but evacuate the area.

That is what most people do.

Do I commend this woman? Yes. But to say she is typical is laughable.

And if she is Black, then she is one of Them that we are supposed to arm up to defend ourselves from according to the Reich Wing nutters.

So you tell me. What is he trying to say?

Good people stopped 4 mass public shootings last year....hard to do when you don't have a gun....you doofus...


BELLEVUE, WA – -(Ammoland.com)- A newly-released FBI report on “active shooter incidents” in 2021 [embeded below] revealed four of those killers were stopped by armed private citizens, and the Second Amendment Foundation says this is strong evidence the right to keep and bear arms is as important today as it was when the Constitution was ratified more than 200 years ago.

New FBI Report Shows Armed Citizens STOP Mass Shootings

A newly-released FBI report on “active shooter incidents” in 2021 revealed ...killers were stopped by armed private citizens!

www.ammoland.com

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

BREAKING: Man Opens Fire At Oklahoma Walmart, Confronted By Armed Citizen, Report Says

Two people were killed at a Walmart in Oklahoma by a man who opened fire in the parking lot on Monday before turning the weapon on himself after an armed citizen confronted him.
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The assailant, who has not yet been identified, shot and killed a man and a woman in the parking lot and when he was “confronted by an armed citizen, he then turned the gun on himself,” The Daily Mail reported.

 

[SavannahMann]

So apparently you're wrong about that.

School officer wasn't there, didn't confront gunman​

After two days of providing often conflicting information, investigators said that a school district police officer was not inside the school when the gunman arrived, and, contrary to their previous reports, the officer had not confronted Ramos outside the building.

MSN

The cop drove right past him. For days we heard how the cop approached the teacher thinking the teacher was the baddie. Then engaged the baddie. Now. He just drove by. What will be the story tomorrow?

They had 19 cops in the hallway according to your link within 15 minutes. That wasn’t enough according to the commander on site. So how many do you need?

And no. My response was not going to be that it was too much. My point would be that Republicans are too cheap to pay for it. They always are.

Let’s say you want two cops at every school. Ok. If there are ten thousand schools that means twenty thousand cops. If every cop earns $65,000 a year. That means it is $1,300,000,000 a year in salary. Not counting equipment and continuing training. Figure another billion a year for that.

Now I’m not sure what program to feed kids the Republicans will claim we can lose to afford security. But the one thing they won’t do is talk about taxes.

So Federal action such as Grants are out.

That leaves the States. The Republicans won’t raise taxes in the states. So that means they’ll pass it on to the districts. They’ll have to raise property taxes which will cause incensed Republicans to wail about it and object and even vote it down.

 

[2aguy]

The cop drove right past him. For days we heard how the cop approached the teacher thinking the teacher was the baddie. Then engaged the baddie. Now. He just drove by. What will be the story tomorrow?

They had 19 cops in the hallway according to your link within 15 minutes. That wasn’t enough according to the commander on site. So how many do you need?

And no. My response was not going to be that it was too much. My point would be that Republicans are too cheap to pay for it. They always are.

Let’s say you want two cops at every school. Ok. If there are ten thousand schools that means twenty thousand cops. If every cop earns $65,000 a year. That means it is $1,300,000,000 a year in salary. Not counting equipment and continuing training. Figure another billion a year for that.

Now I’m not sure what program to feed kids the Republicans will claim we can lose to afford security. But the one thing they won’t do is talk about taxes.

So Federal action such as Grants are out.

That leaves the States. The Republicans won’t raise taxes in the states. So that means they’ll pass it on to the districts. They’ll have to raise property taxes which will cause incensed Republicans to wail about it and object and even vote it down.

You don’t have to raise taxes….what is it with you guys and wanting more and more money to give to politicians who will steal it or waste it?

You hire retirees and the job is a part time job, not a full time job……just like school bus drivers…..

Also, you arm some members of the teaching and support staff…….not all, just some of them.

Not knowing which staff members are armed or where they are located is the actual deterrent to the attack in the first place……mass public shooters choose gun free zones….they are not looking for a gun fight….not knowing who will be shooting at them will keep them from attacking…..as we know from other shooters, in particular the recent Buffalo shooter……. He picked that store because he knew it was a gun free zone…and he planned on killing the guard they had their first…according to his “manifesto.”

 

[SavannahMann]

You don’t have to raise taxes….what is it with you guys and wanting more and more money to give to politicians who will steal it or waste it?

You hire retirees and the job is a part time job, not a full time job……just like school bus drivers…..

Also, you arm some members of the teaching and support staff…….not all, just some of them.

Not knowing which staff members are armed or where they are located is the actual deterrent to the attack in the first place……mass public shooters choose gun free zones….they are not looking for a gun fight….not knowing who will be shooting at them will keep them from attacking…..as we know from other shooters, in particular the recent Buffalo shooter……. He picked that store because he knew it was a gun free zone…and he planned on killing the guard they had their first…according to his “manifesto.”

But the Buffalo madman didn’t kill the guard first. The first casualties were in the parking lot. The guard shot him. The vest stopped it.

My question still stands. How do we stop the cops from shooting the hood guy with a gun?

And these retirees you say should be hired. What is the budget for that and where does the money come from? Because schools are usually running right up against the budgets aren’t they? Cities aren’t any better. Nor are counties, or States.

The usual source of income. Social Programs. Wouldn’t work in this case. We are going to end the school lunch program for poor kids to put guards on the doors.

So where will the money for these retirees come from? Even the smallest school district has three schools. That’s at least three people. Six if you want more than one armed guard at each location.

The reason I bring up taxes is because you guys never want to pay for anything.

Taking money from Food Stamps won’t work. You can’t argue that we need to starve the kids to keep them safe. So where does this money come from?

 

[2aguy]

But the Buffalo madman didn’t kill the guard first. The first casualties were in the parking lot. The guard shot him. The vest stopped it.

My question still stands. How do we stop the cops from shooting the hood guy with a gun?

And these retirees you say should be hired. What is the budget for that and where does the money come from? Because schools are usually running right up against the budgets aren’t they? Cities aren’t any better. Nor are counties, or States.

The usual source of income. Social Programs. Wouldn’t work in this case. We are going to end the school lunch program for poor kids to put guards on the doors.

So where will the money for these retirees come from? Even the smallest school district has three schools. That’s at least three people. Six if you want more than one armed guard at each location.

The reason I bring up taxes is because you guys never want to pay for anything.

Taking money from Food Stamps won’t work. You can’t argue that we need to starve the kids to keep them safe. So where does this money come from?

The shooter in his manifesto stated he was going to take out the guard first…which he did……….then the store was a gun free zone…..

The schools get more than enough money to put button access only on the front and rear entrances….my local schools did this here in Illinois…..you can’t get it without being seen on a camera and buzzed in…

The schools have billions in unused COVID money……..we have billions of tax dollars that are wasted by the politicians on pet projects…..we don’t need to raise taxes to give to those same politicians….

The schools are currently using their designated COVID money on new juice bars, and other vanity construction projects…so don’t tell us we need even more money for schools……they could also fire several of their over staffed administrators and use that money to train armed teachers and staff or hire the part time security guards……

 

[surada]

Open your eyes, moron. Police: Woman killed man who fired rifle into party crowd LINK

Did she also have an assault rifle at the party?

 

[2aguy]

Did she also have an assault rifle at the party?

Nope…just her pistol………and she stopped him…

at the range of a mass public shooting, the rifle gives you no advantage.

 

[surada]

Nope…just her pistol………and she stopped him…

at the range of a mass public shooting, the rifle gives you no advantage.

The argument has been that assault rifles are essential in killing feral hogs in Texas and elsewhere.

 

[frigidweirdo]

This happened last night, why isn't this on all over the MSM today?!!

Police: Woman killed man who fired rifle into party crowd​

Police: Woman killed man who fired rifle into party crowd

It's on the BBC.

Doesn't exactly help the gun lobby though. It's just ANOTHER person trying to kill people with guns. The US is insane.

 

[2aguy]

The argument has been that assault rifles are essential in killing feral hogs in Texas and elsewhere.

Yeah…..and? You can’t get close to feral hogs, which is where the advantage of a rifle……long range shooting, come into play….

Different guns are used for different reasons…..

The range of all but one mass public shooting, Las Vegas, are within the size of a room or a hallway….the rifle at that distance has no advantage….

 

[2aguy]

It's on the BBC.

Doesn't exactly help the gun lobby though. It's just ANOTHER person trying to kill people with guns. The US is insane.

Who was stopped by an armed civilian woman, while the police in Texas took an hour to stop their killer…….

 

[Correll]

The argument has been that assault rifles are essential in killing feral hogs in Texas and elsewhere.

I've never seen that argument made by anyone anywhere.

 

[Concerned American]

Taking money from Food Stamps won’t work.

Free food programs exist year around in the schools--it is a redundant program if food stamps are available--cut one or the other to pay for the security.

 

[2aguy]

The argument has been that assault rifles are essential in killing feral hogs in Texas and elsewhere.

No.....that isn't the argument.....

Idiots like you say that normal rifles like the AR-15 are only used to murder people.....

The truth is then pointed out, they are also used in hunting...several gun owning members of U.S.messageboard who live where feral hogs are destroying everything, point out they use their AR-15 to kill them...........

So that you lied about the point on these rifles is not a surprise............lying is the only way you can push gun control on uninformed Americans.

 

[surada]

No.....that isn't the argument.....

Idiots like you say that normal rifles like the AR-15 are only used to murder people.....

The truth is then pointed out, they are also used in hunting...several gun owning members of U.S.messageboard who live where feral hogs are destroying everything, point out they use their AR-15 to kill them...........

So that you lied about the point on these rifles is not a surprise............lying is the only way you can push gun control on uninformed Americans.

They don't use automatic weapons to kill feral hogs in the low country.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/18/us/texas-school-shooting/index.html

 

[Concerned American]

The argument has been that assault rifles are essential in killing feral hogs in Texas and elsewhere.

Quit parading your ignorance. Ruger makes the Mini-14 ranch rifle. It uses the same round as the AR-15 and is capable of firing just as fast. You ignorant people figure that all you have to do is say "assault rifle" and the boogie man appears. It is a tool, just like a hammer. If you bash someone in the head with a hammer are you going to ban hammers? Address the problem. It is the person wielding the tool---not the tool.

 

[Concerned American]

They don't use automatic weapons to kill feral hogs in the low country.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/18/us/texas-school-shooting/index.html

An AR-15 is NOT an automatic weapon. It is a semi-auto. STFU, you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[2aguy]

They don't use automatic weapons to kill feral hogs in the low country.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/18/us/texas-school-shooting/index.html

The AR-15 is not an automatic weapon....and an automatic weapon is an inaccurate tool.......that is why hunters use semi-automatic rifles, in particular, AR-15s for different types of small game...

 

[surada]

An AR-15 is NOT an automatic weapon. It is a semi-auto. STFU, you don't know what you are talking about.

You can kill a lot of children quickly. Do I need to be an expert like you?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/18/us/texas-school-shooting/index.html