Gone are pre-existing conditions if you vote for trump, and I know some trumpers are counting on the ACA

[dblack]

It just doesn't need to be dictated by government. Period.

The chances of an entity that has the number one concern of stock price is never going to do what needs done. People should not have to die because a CEO didn't get a record bonus last year.

And they don't. Next feeble excuse?

There are many people who die because they can not afford preventive care. They can't afford a colonoscopy so their cancer doesn't get detected until it's causing problems. What makes no sense is that then the taxpayers will be on the hook and those costs are far higher than the preventive colonoscopy.

More excuses. It's all about control, so corporations and government can herd us into their pens. Fuck that.

Now you are just ranting.

I am indeed. I'm am so goddamn sick of statists who want government running everything. Please, please, fucking stop. How much power is enough for you people?

Get some health care company to not put their stock prices as their number one concern and then maybe you can argue for that.

Never enough, eh?

Your argument makes no fucking sense. You complain because the health care market is dominated by a handful of wealthy corporations - corporations that became wealthy and dominant by colluding with government. Yet these corporations don't, yet, have the power to arrest and imprison people who defy them. Your solution: give all the power to one corporation that DOES have the power to arrest or imprison anyone who won't play along.

NO THANKS.

Actually I support getting rid of those corporations completely.

No, you want to replace them with ONE corporation aka government. You want the state to have all the power. Fuck that.

I would like to see the "Government" get back to just regulating it instead of owning it.

It's the same thing. "Regulation" is what feeds the greedy corporations. It's how they herd you.

No, it's not the same thing.

It is. Regulation is a con. It's sold to the plebes with the false notion that it will rein in greedy corporations. But here's the dirty little secret: they're never regulating businesses - they're regulating consumers. Politicians and corporations collude to herd consumers by outlawing alternatives.

In the days before regulation, a handful would make all the bucks and people died to make it for them. As long as the "Profits" were high, the few didn't care about the many. Without some form of regulation, Capitalist eat their own because "There can only be one".

Sure man. Dragons at the gate. We must submit!

You go ahead and submit. I suggest everyone else find a way to overcome.

By submitting to state control? Gotcha. And when another Trump comes along?

 

[Bulletbob]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They are pretty much the same as cobra, except they don't cover you if your have a PEC. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

Trump has made it plain time and time again that he wants preexisting conditions covered.
Also. O bung hole care resulted in individual co pays as high as 7800 and also 20 new taxes or tax increases and he lied about being able to keep your existing health care and doctor. Also the premiums have gone up fast.
It is a albatross.

Okay, let's say you are partially correct. But the crux of the matter is, without a complete replacement idea, the ACA stands.

I agree, it's broken. But instead of spending all that effort to get rid of it (the courts are involved now), could you imagine if that same effort was given to fixing it? All the efforts done so far is to harm it, not fix it. Funny how the same program in Massachusetts works just fine. Why? because it was never turned into a Political Football. All of this isn't about what if good and what isn't, it's about one side versus the other. And please don't interject a political lean into this one. There is no room for Political infighting in our Healthcare system.

Obviously, a replacement program isn't forthcoming no matter who makes the promise. And until a direct replacement can be presented, the ACA will stand. Do we just keep breaking it until there is nothing left but empty promises or do we start firing people that are supposed to either fix it or replace it who do neither?

 

[Bulletbob]

its not fixable is the problem

 

[pknopp]

It just doesn't need to be dictated by government. Period.

The chances of an entity that has the number one concern of stock price is never going to do what needs done. People should not have to die because a CEO didn't get a record bonus last year.

And they don't. Next feeble excuse?

There are many people who die because they can not afford preventive care. They can't afford a colonoscopy so their cancer doesn't get detected until it's causing problems. What makes no sense is that then the taxpayers will be on the hook and those costs are far higher than the preventive colonoscopy.

More excuses. It's all about control, so corporations and government can herd us into their pens. Fuck that.

Now you are just ranting.

I am indeed. I'm am so goddamn sick of statists who want government running everything. Please, please, fucking stop. How much power is enough for you people?

Get some health care company to not put their stock prices as their number one concern and then maybe you can argue for that.

Never enough, eh?

Your argument makes no fucking sense. You complain because the health care market is dominated by a handful of wealthy corporations - corporations that became wealthy and dominant by colluding with government. Yet these corporations don't, yet, have the power to arrest and imprison people who defy them. Your solution: give all the power to one corporation that DOES have the power to arrest or imprison anyone who won't play along.

NO THANKS.

Actually I support getting rid of those corporations completely.

No, you want to replace them with ONE corporation aka government. You want the state to have all the power. Fuck that.

I would like to see the "Government" get back to just regulating it instead of owning it.

It's the same thing. "Regulation" is what feeds the greedy corporations. It's how they herd you.

No, it's not the same thing.

It is. Regulation is a con. It's sold to the plebes with the false notion that it will rein in greedy corporations. But here's the dirty little secret: they're never regulating businesses - they're regulating consumers. Politicians and corporations collude to herd consumers by outlawing alternatives.

In the days before regulation, a handful would make all the bucks and people died to make it for them. As long as the "Profits" were high, the few didn't care about the many. Without some form of regulation, Capitalist eat their own because "There can only be one".

I suppose we should go back to company script that can only be spent in the company store.

 

[Cellblock2429]

It just doesn't need to be dictated by government. Period.

The chances of an entity that has the number one concern of stock price is never going to do what needs done. People should not have to die because a CEO didn't get a record bonus last year.

And they don't. Next feeble excuse?

There are many people who die because they can not afford preventive care. They can't afford a colonoscopy so their cancer doesn't get detected until it's causing problems. What makes no sense is that then the taxpayers will be on the hook and those costs are far higher than the preventive colonoscopy.

More excuses. It's all about control, so corporations and government can herd us into their pens. Fuck that.

Now you are just ranting.

I am indeed. I'm am so goddamn sick of statists who want government running everything. Please, please, fucking stop. How much power is enough for you people?

Get some health care company to not put their stock prices as their number one concern and then maybe you can argue for that.

Never enough, eh?

Your argument makes no fucking sense. You complain because the health care market is dominated by a handful of wealthy corporations - corporations that became wealthy and dominant by colluding with government. Yet these corporations don't, yet, have the power to arrest and imprison people who defy them. Your solution: give all the power to one corporation that DOES have the power to arrest or imprison anyone who won't play along.

NO THANKS.

Actually I support getting rid of those corporations completely.

/-----/ Where will you get your food - the collective farm?
Where will you get your next PC and cell phone? The dumpster?
Make your own clothes, will ya?

 

[pknopp]

It just doesn't need to be dictated by government. Period.

The chances of an entity that has the number one concern of stock price is never going to do what needs done. People should not have to die because a CEO didn't get a record bonus last year.

And they don't. Next feeble excuse?

There are many people who die because they can not afford preventive care. They can't afford a colonoscopy so their cancer doesn't get detected until it's causing problems. What makes no sense is that then the taxpayers will be on the hook and those costs are far higher than the preventive colonoscopy.

More excuses. It's all about control, so corporations and government can herd us into their pens. Fuck that.

Now you are just ranting.

I am indeed. I'm am so goddamn sick of statists who want government running everything. Please, please, fucking stop. How much power is enough for you people?

Get some health care company to not put their stock prices as their number one concern and then maybe you can argue for that.

Never enough, eh?

Your argument makes no fucking sense. You complain because the health care market is dominated by a handful of wealthy corporations - corporations that became wealthy and dominant by colluding with government. Yet these corporations don't, yet, have the power to arrest and imprison people who defy them. Your solution: give all the power to one corporation that DOES have the power to arrest or imprison anyone who won't play along.

NO THANKS.

Actually I support getting rid of those corporations completely.

/-----/ Where will you get your food - the collective farm?
Where will you get your next PC and cell phone? The dumpster?
Make your own clothes, will ya?

I missed where any of that was being discussed.

 

[Cellblock2429]

It just doesn't need to be dictated by government. Period.

The chances of an entity that has the number one concern of stock price is never going to do what needs done. People should not have to die because a CEO didn't get a record bonus last year.

And they don't. Next feeble excuse?

There are many people who die because they can not afford preventive care. They can't afford a colonoscopy so their cancer doesn't get detected until it's causing problems. What makes no sense is that then the taxpayers will be on the hook and those costs are far higher than the preventive colonoscopy.

More excuses. It's all about control, so corporations and government can herd us into their pens. Fuck that.

Now you are just ranting.

I am indeed. I'm am so goddamn sick of statists who want government running everything. Please, please, fucking stop. How much power is enough for you people?

Get some health care company to not put their stock prices as their number one concern and then maybe you can argue for that.

Never enough, eh?

Your argument makes no fucking sense. You complain because the health care market is dominated by a handful of wealthy corporations - corporations that became wealthy and dominant by colluding with government. Yet these corporations don't, yet, have the power to arrest and imprison people who defy them. Your solution: give all the power to one corporation that DOES have the power to arrest or imprison anyone who won't play along.

NO THANKS.

Actually I support getting rid of those corporations completely.

/-----/ Where will you get your food - the collective farm?
Where will you get your next PC and cell phone? The dumpster?
Make your own clothes, will ya?

I missed where any of that was being discussed.

/------/ Are you that uninformed? Farms, grocery stores, computer manufacturers, and retail stores, in general, are ALL CORPORATIONS. Geeeze, how can you be so clueless?

 

[pknopp]

It just doesn't need to be dictated by government. Period.

The chances of an entity that has the number one concern of stock price is never going to do what needs done. People should not have to die because a CEO didn't get a record bonus last year.

And they don't. Next feeble excuse?

There are many people who die because they can not afford preventive care. They can't afford a colonoscopy so their cancer doesn't get detected until it's causing problems. What makes no sense is that then the taxpayers will be on the hook and those costs are far higher than the preventive colonoscopy.

More excuses. It's all about control, so corporations and government can herd us into their pens. Fuck that.

Now you are just ranting.

I am indeed. I'm am so goddamn sick of statists who want government running everything. Please, please, fucking stop. How much power is enough for you people?

Get some health care company to not put their stock prices as their number one concern and then maybe you can argue for that.

Never enough, eh?

Your argument makes no fucking sense. You complain because the health care market is dominated by a handful of wealthy corporations - corporations that became wealthy and dominant by colluding with government. Yet these corporations don't, yet, have the power to arrest and imprison people who defy them. Your solution: give all the power to one corporation that DOES have the power to arrest or imprison anyone who won't play along.

NO THANKS.

Actually I support getting rid of those corporations completely.

/-----/ Where will you get your food - the collective farm?
Where will you get your next PC and cell phone? The dumpster?
Make your own clothes, will ya?

I missed where any of that was being discussed.

/------/ Are you that uninformed? Farms, grocery stores, computer manufacturers, and retail stores, in general, are ALL CORPORATIONS. Geeeze, how can you be so clueless?

And not what is being discussed.

 

[BothWings]

Let's cut the bullshit. This is about control. Corporations and politicians want legal mandates so they can collude to control our healthcare, so they can control us. Fuck that.

THIS is the truth. Meanwhile people are running back and forth between leftism vs rightism. The corporations and the government have merged. We have a corporate government now. Obamacare was one of the first overt examples of that....right under our noses. The ACA isn't under the Surgeon General...it literally has a CEO like any other corporation. Government is business, business is government. That's the entire premise of the New World Order.

 

[Missourian]

"Gone are pre-existing conditions if you vote for trump..."

You have much faith in the man, but I'll go with it.

I was voting for Trump anyway...getting rid of my pre-existing conditions is just a bonus...

 

[Cellblock2429]

It just doesn't need to be dictated by government. Period.

The chances of an entity that has the number one concern of stock price is never going to do what needs done. People should not have to die because a CEO didn't get a record bonus last year.

And they don't. Next feeble excuse?

There are many people who die because they can not afford preventive care. They can't afford a colonoscopy so their cancer doesn't get detected until it's causing problems. What makes no sense is that then the taxpayers will be on the hook and those costs are far higher than the preventive colonoscopy.

More excuses. It's all about control, so corporations and government can herd us into their pens. Fuck that.

Now you are just ranting.

I am indeed. I'm am so goddamn sick of statists who want government running everything. Please, please, fucking stop. How much power is enough for you people?

Get some health care company to not put their stock prices as their number one concern and then maybe you can argue for that.

Never enough, eh?

Your argument makes no fucking sense. You complain because the health care market is dominated by a handful of wealthy corporations - corporations that became wealthy and dominant by colluding with government. Yet these corporations don't, yet, have the power to arrest and imprison people who defy them. Your solution: give all the power to one corporation that DOES have the power to arrest or imprison anyone who won't play along.

NO THANKS.

Actually I support getting rid of those corporations completely.

/-----/ Where will you get your food - the collective farm?
Where will you get your next PC and cell phone? The dumpster?
Make your own clothes, will ya?

I missed where any of that was being discussed.

/------/ Are you that uninformed? Farms, grocery stores, computer manufacturers, and retail stores, in general, are ALL CORPORATIONS. Geeeze, how can you be so clueless?

And not what is being discussed.

/——-/ it’s discussed right here. This is what I’m responding to: “Actually I support getting rid of those corporations completely.”

 

[Zander]

Seems to me that "Fear" is the entire Democrat platform!! Fear of Covid!! fear of Russians!! fear of "existing conditions"!! Fear!! Fear!! Fear!!

Reality - it is "Fear" of the truth......your ideas suck!

 

[Sun Devil 92]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They are pretty much the same as cobra, except they don't cover you if your have a PEC. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

Health care won't matter when the country hits the sewer with your petrified piece of shit in charge.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They are pretty much the same as cobra, except they don't cover you if your have a PEC. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

The ACA will disappear with the Green New Deal.

We won't have a fucking doctor in business.

 

[pknopp]

It just doesn't need to be dictated by government. Period.

The chances of an entity that has the number one concern of stock price is never going to do what needs done. People should not have to die because a CEO didn't get a record bonus last year.

And they don't. Next feeble excuse?

There are many people who die because they can not afford preventive care. They can't afford a colonoscopy so their cancer doesn't get detected until it's causing problems. What makes no sense is that then the taxpayers will be on the hook and those costs are far higher than the preventive colonoscopy.

More excuses. It's all about control, so corporations and government can herd us into their pens. Fuck that.

Now you are just ranting.

I am indeed. I'm am so goddamn sick of statists who want government running everything. Please, please, fucking stop. How much power is enough for you people?

Get some health care company to not put their stock prices as their number one concern and then maybe you can argue for that.

Never enough, eh?

Your argument makes no fucking sense. You complain because the health care market is dominated by a handful of wealthy corporations - corporations that became wealthy and dominant by colluding with government. Yet these corporations don't, yet, have the power to arrest and imprison people who defy them. Your solution: give all the power to one corporation that DOES have the power to arrest or imprison anyone who won't play along.

NO THANKS.

Actually I support getting rid of those corporations completely.

/-----/ Where will you get your food - the collective farm?
Where will you get your next PC and cell phone? The dumpster?
Make your own clothes, will ya?

I missed where any of that was being discussed.

/------/ Are you that uninformed? Farms, grocery stores, computer manufacturers, and retail stores, in general, are ALL CORPORATIONS. Geeeze, how can you be so clueless?

And not what is being discussed.

/——-/ it’s discussed right here. This is what I’m responding to: “Actually I support getting rid of those corporations completely.”

Right, the ones we were discussing. We weren't discussing what you went on to ramble about.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They pretty much the same as cobra. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

Rump has a medical plan for the poor. Don't get sick but if you do, die quietly and quickly. Burial on the Government's dime is much cheaper.
'

Works for me!

 

[Uncensored2008]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They are pretty much the same as cobra, except they don't cover you if your have a PEC. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

Fucking Liar.

Muslims, no integrity...

 

[Dick Foster]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They are pretty much the same as cobra, except they don't cover you if your have a PEC. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

/——/ Ahhh, go back to the time (1980) when coverage was reasonably priced, no co pays, and no referrals required.

Go back to 1950 or so and no one needed insurance because medical care was affordable enough for most people to pay their own healthcare bills.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Piss poor analogy.

Do you have insurance so if Israel bombs your house after you fire rockets at them it get's rebuilt?

Would you be able to get the insurance AFTER you fired the rockets at Jewish school kids? I think not.

 

[Uncensored2008]

for PECs. They are not only for the ACA, they help all insurances except what tramp came out with short term plans, they only cover you if your young and healthy.


Short term plans were created to help fill temporary gaps in coverage that can occur in certain situations. These types of plans are typically not good substitutes for traditional health plans. They do not have to adhere to ACA standards. They provide limited benefits with generally much higher costs.
What is Short Term Health Insurance? | Cigna
-------------------------------------
They are pretty much the same as cobra, except they don't cover you if your have a PEC. I know a lot of you are on Medicare, but don't you want people younger to have PEC's coverage, your children and your grandkids?

Be wary of signing up for Advantage Plans.

Say bye if you vote for tramp.

He doesn't have a plan.

The republicans want to go back to pre the ACA.

/——/ Ahhh, go back to the time (1980) when coverage was reasonably priced, no co pays, and no referrals required.

Go back to 1950 or so and no one needed insurance because medical care was affordable enough for most people to pay their own healthcare bills.

But then we introduced a third party payor. Suddenly there was nothing to contain usage and costs went through the roof. Add in free care for illegals and it all went to shit.