God isn't pro-life

[hadit]

It's always amusing to watch those who insist there is no God lecture those who believe there is on how to read and interpret Scripture. Always.

I don't believ ein gods no. But I can hold a Bible in my palm so I do believe in Bibles.

Cool. Then you should allow me to teach you how to read them.

Will accept you as my teacher when you prove you're smarter by showing me religious support for an anti-abortion position.

I just did. Did you bother to read the verses I cited?

Here are some more.

Job 10:18
Judges 13:1-7
Luke 1:44

 

[Marxist]

LOL.
Then god is a sick ******* bastard.

So you let your child play with dangerous things because you don't want to be mean?

No, but I don't brutalize them with mass murder.

Your children are not a nation. Bigger people group, bigger responsibilities. The bottom line is this, God has rights and responsibilities you don't. Put it another way. If you discover that your neighbor has killed someone and you kill him, you go to jail. An executioner who does the same thing gets in no trouble at all. If you see someone steal something from a store, put them in handcuffs and lock them in a room, you go to jail. A policeman who does the same thing gets lauded.

God supposedly killed 42 children for a mistake they made, as ******* children,, and massacred children, you can try to justify the bullshit all you want, I'm not brainwashed.

You're also relying on a mere mention of an event which you didn't witness, and likely don't even believe happened. IOW, prove they made a mistake and didn't do a bunch of other stuff.

Of course it didn't happen. Now, you're telling me these children did a bunch of other shit on your own assumption to protect your genocidal imaginary friend?

 

[Penelope]

So often we hear folks on the pro-life anti-abortion side using their religion as their reasoning. Odd consider the Bible has no problem whatsoever with abortion (using terms of the time) or slaughtering children and pregnant women.

God s Not Pro-Life

"Abortion:

Hosea 9:11-16 Hosea prays for God’s intervention. “Ephraim shall bring forth his children to the murderer. Give them, 0 Lord: what wilt thou give? Give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. . .Ephraim is smitten, their root is dried up, they shall bear no fruit: yea though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.” Clearly Hosea desires that the people of Ephraim can no longer have children. God of course obeys by making all their unborn children miscarry. Is not terminating a pregnancy unnaturally “abortion”?

Numbers 5:11-21 The description of a bizarre, brutal and abusive ritual to be performed on a wife SUSPECTED of adultery. This is considered to be an induced abortion to rid a woman of another man’s child.

Numbers 31:17 (Moses) “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every women that hath known man by lying with him.” In other words: women that might be pregnant, which clearly is abortion for the fetus.

Hosea 13:16 God promises to dash to pieces the infants of Samaria and the “their women with child shall be ripped up”. Once again this god kills the unborn, including their pregnant mothers.

2 Kings 15:16 God allows the pregnant women of Tappuah (aka Tiphsah) to be “ripped open”. And the Christians have the audacity to say god is pro-life. How and the hell is it that Christians can read passages where God allows pregnant women to be murdered, yet still claim abortion is wrong?



Infanticide:

1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.

Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.

Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”.



The murdering of children:

Leviticus 20:9 “For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him.”

Judges 11:30-40 Jephthah killed his young daughter (his only child) by burning her alive as a burnt sacrifice to the lord for he commanded it.

Psalms 137:8-9 Prayer/song of vengeance “0 daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”

2 Kings 6:28-29 “And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him today, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son.”

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”

Judges 19:24-29 “Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing. But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go. Then came the woman in the dawning of the day, and fell down at the door of the man’s house where her lord was, till it was light. And her lord rose up in the morning, and opened the doors of the house, and went out to go his way: and behold, the woman his concubine was fallen down at the door of the house, and her hands were upon the threshold. And he said unto her, Up, and let us be going. But none answered. Then the man took her up upon an ass, and the man rose up, and gat him unto his place. And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces, and sent her into all the coasts of Israel.” To put it very bluntly this poor, young lady was murdered by her mate for being raped.

Exodus 12:29 God killed, intentionally, every first-born child of every family in Egypt, simply because he was upset at the Pharaoh. And god caused the Pharaoh’s actions in the first place. Since when is it appropriate to murder children for their ruler’s forced action?

Exodus 20:9-10 God commands death for cursing out ones parents Joshua 8 God commanded the deaths of 12,000 men, women, and children of Ai. They were all slain in the ambush that was planned by god.

2 Kings 2:23-24 The prophet Elisha, was being picked on by some young boys from the city because of his bald head. The prophet turned around and cursed them in the Lords name. Then, two female bears came out of the woods and killed forty-two of them. You would think that God could understand that sometimes the youthful make childish jokes. Calling someone “bald head” is far from being worthy of death.

Leviticus 26:30 “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.”

1 Samuel 15:11-18 God repents of having made Saul king since Saul refused to carry out God’s commandments (i.e., Saul refused to murder all the innocent women and children.) At least god realizes what an immoral, murderous pig he is on this one.

I Kings 16:34 Laying the foundation for a city using your firstborn child and using your youngest son to set up the gates.

Isaiah 13:15-18 If God can find you, he will “thrust you through,” smash your children “to pieces” before your eyes, and rape your wife.

Jeremiah 11:22-23 God will kill the young men in war and starve their children to death.

Jeremiah 19:7-9 God will make parents eat their own children, and friends eat each other.

Lamentations 2:20-22 God gets angry and mercilessly torments and kills everyone, young and old. He even causes women to eat their children."

Hebrews and Jews wrote that stuff, some of us are Christians and do not believe in killing.

 

[hadit]

So you let your child play with dangerous things because you don't want to be mean?

No, but I don't brutalize them with mass murder.

Your children are not a nation. Bigger people group, bigger responsibilities. The bottom line is this, God has rights and responsibilities you don't. Put it another way. If you discover that your neighbor has killed someone and you kill him, you go to jail. An executioner who does the same thing gets in no trouble at all. If you see someone steal something from a store, put them in handcuffs and lock them in a room, you go to jail. A policeman who does the same thing gets lauded.

God supposedly killed 42 children for a mistake they made, as ******* children,, and massacred children, you can try to justify the bullshit all you want, I'm not brainwashed.

You're also relying on a mere mention of an event which you didn't witness, and likely don't even believe happened. IOW, prove they made a mistake and didn't do a bunch of other stuff.

Of course it didn't happen. Now, you're telling me these children did a bunch of other shit on your own assumption to protect your genocidal imaginary friend?

And there you lost it. Just couldn't keep up the pretense of an actual discussion any longer, could you? Didn't take long, did it? The point is, you take a few random verses that you think say some negative things and build a whole case out of them.

 

[Marxist]

No, but I don't brutalize them with mass murder.

Your children are not a nation. Bigger people group, bigger responsibilities. The bottom line is this, God has rights and responsibilities you don't. Put it another way. If you discover that your neighbor has killed someone and you kill him, you go to jail. An executioner who does the same thing gets in no trouble at all. If you see someone steal something from a store, put them in handcuffs and lock them in a room, you go to jail. A policeman who does the same thing gets lauded.

God supposedly killed 42 children for a mistake they made, as ******* children,, and massacred children, you can try to justify the bullshit all you want, I'm not brainwashed.

You're also relying on a mere mention of an event which you didn't witness, and likely don't even believe happened. IOW, prove they made a mistake and didn't do a bunch of other stuff.

Of course it didn't happen. Now, you're telling me these children did a bunch of other shit on your own assumption to protect your genocidal imaginary friend?

And there you lost it. Just couldn't keep up the pretense of an actual discussion any longer, could you? Didn't take long, did it? The point is, you take a few random verses that you think say some negative things and build a whole case out of them.

MAY SAY NEGATIVE THINGS?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Let's turn this around then, if in being against abortion, what religious reasoning or Scripture do you cite that supports your claim your religion is against abortion?

For starters,

Psalm 139:13
Isaiah 49:1
Jeremiah 1:5
Galatians 1:15
Luke 1:15

Put those together and you cannot support the ending of developing human life in the womb.

12Even the darkness is not dark to You, And the night is as bright as the day. Darkness and light are alike to You. 13For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. 14I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well.…
- Psalms 139

Has nothing to do with abortion for or against. Is simply acknowledging the biological reality inside.

1Listen to Me, O islands, And pay attention, you peoples from afar. The LORD called Me from the womb; From the body of My mother He named Me.
- Isaiah

Again, nothing for or against here.

And if the rest of your verses are similar you haven't proven your assertion yet.

 

[peach174]

Let's turn this around then, if in being against abortion, what religious reasoning or Scripture do you cite that supports your claim your religion is against abortion?

10 Commandments
Thou shalt not murder.

Jeremiah 1:5King James Version (KJV)

5; Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
God gives us all special gifts to use here on Earth before we we are even born.

Abortion makes those special gifts gone. Wiped out. Who knows how many women have murdered a future great President or Painter or Scientist or pianist, singer or physician.
Or that simple little soul that could have done something great for just the one family.

This is just two but there are many scriptures that support killing a infant in the womb is wrong.

 

[Penelope]

Let's turn this around then, if in being against abortion, what religious reasoning or Scripture do you cite that supports your claim your religion is against abortion?

10 Commandments
Thou shalt not murder.

Jeremiah 1:5King James Version (KJV)

5; Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
God gives us all special gifts to use here on Earth before we we are even born.

Abortion makes those special gifts gone. Wiped out. Who knows how many women have murdered a future great President or Painter or Scientist or pianist, singer or physician.
Or that simple little soul that could have done something great for just the one family.

This is just two but there are many scriptures that support killing a infant in the womb is wrong.

the Jews locked Jeremiah up and were going to kill him remember. They didn't want to hear that stuff.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Let's turn this around then, if in being against abortion, what religious reasoning or Scripture do you cite that supports your claim your religion is against abortion?

10 Commandments
Thou shalt not murder.

Jeremiah 1:5King James Version (KJV)

5; Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
God gives us all special gifts to use here on Earth before we we are even born.

Abortion makes those special gifts gone. Wiped out. Who knows how many women have murdered a future great President or Painter or Scientist or pianist, singer or physician.
Or that simple little soul that could have done something great for just the one family.

This is just two but there are many scriptures that support killing a infant in the womb is wrong.

Problem with religious peopl eusing the 6th is they don't mention it when supporting wars, the death penalty, etc. If they don't then, they don't get to use it to oppose abortion.

Should probably say at some point, and here's as good as any I'm against abortion too, just not on religious grounds. Purely an ethical issue to me. Not a religous one.

 

[Steven_R]

It's always amusing to watch those who insist there is no God lecture those who believe there is on how to read and interpret Scripture. Always.

Kind of like how people who have never taken a single biology class are somehow qualified to tell scientists the world over they are wrong about evolution?

 

[Steven_R]

LOL.
Then god is a sick ******* bastard.

So you let your child play with dangerous things because you don't want to be mean?

No, but I don't brutalize them with mass murder.

Your children are not a nation. Bigger people group, bigger responsibilities. The bottom line is this, God has rights and responsibilities you don't. Put it another way. If you discover that your neighbor has killed someone and you kill him, you go to jail. An executioner who does the same thing gets in no trouble at all. If you see someone steal something from a store, put them in handcuffs and lock them in a room, you go to jail. A policeman who does the same thing gets lauded.

God supposedly killed 42 children for a mistake they made, as ******* children,, and massacred children, you can try to justify the bullshit all you want, I'm not brainwashed.

You're also relying on a mere mention of an event which you didn't witness, and likely don't even believe happened. IOW, prove they made a mistake and didn't do a bunch of other stuff.

They made fun of a guy with a bad comb over and were eaten by bears for it. Bears sent by God.

 

[hadit]

Your children are not a nation. Bigger people group, bigger responsibilities. The bottom line is this, God has rights and responsibilities you don't. Put it another way. If you discover that your neighbor has killed someone and you kill him, you go to jail. An executioner who does the same thing gets in no trouble at all. If you see someone steal something from a store, put them in handcuffs and lock them in a room, you go to jail. A policeman who does the same thing gets lauded.

God supposedly killed 42 children for a mistake they made, as ******* children,, and massacred children, you can try to justify the bullshit all you want, I'm not brainwashed.

You're also relying on a mere mention of an event which you didn't witness, and likely don't even believe happened. IOW, prove they made a mistake and didn't do a bunch of other stuff.

Of course it didn't happen. Now, you're telling me these children did a bunch of other shit on your own assumption to protect your genocidal imaginary friend?

And there you lost it. Just couldn't keep up the pretense of an actual discussion any longer, could you? Didn't take long, did it? The point is, you take a few random verses that you think say some negative things and build a whole case out of them.

MAY SAY NEGATIVE THINGS?

Yes, may say negative things. You're looking at instructions to a nation on how to claim the land God promised them. They came in from 40 years of wandering around in the desert and cleared out the land. All the established nations there couldn't stop them or even really slow them down.

 

[hadit]

So you let your child play with dangerous things because you don't want to be mean?

No, but I don't brutalize them with mass murder.

Your children are not a nation. Bigger people group, bigger responsibilities. The bottom line is this, God has rights and responsibilities you don't. Put it another way. If you discover that your neighbor has killed someone and you kill him, you go to jail. An executioner who does the same thing gets in no trouble at all. If you see someone steal something from a store, put them in handcuffs and lock them in a room, you go to jail. A policeman who does the same thing gets lauded.

God supposedly killed 42 children for a mistake they made, as ******* children,, and massacred children, you can try to justify the bullshit all you want, I'm not brainwashed.

You're also relying on a mere mention of an event which you didn't witness, and likely don't even believe happened. IOW, prove they made a mistake and didn't do a bunch of other stuff.

They made fun of a guy with a bad comb over and were eaten by bears for it. Bears sent by God.

Guess you'd better not mock God's prophet then, huh?

 

[hadit]

It's always amusing to watch those who insist there is no God lecture those who believe there is on how to read and interpret Scripture. Always.

Kind of like how people who have never taken a single biology class are somehow qualified to tell scientists the world over they are wrong about evolution?

Of course. But then you also have biology majors and biologists saying the same things, so...

 

[Steven_R]

It's always amusing to watch those who insist there is no God lecture those who believe there is on how to read and interpret Scripture. Always.

Kind of like how people who have never taken a single biology class are somehow qualified to tell scientists the world over they are wrong about evolution?

Of course. But then you also have biology majors and biologists saying the same things, so...

But they aren't producing the work to back up their claims.

 

[Steven_R]

No, but I don't brutalize them with mass murder.

Your children are not a nation. Bigger people group, bigger responsibilities. The bottom line is this, God has rights and responsibilities you don't. Put it another way. If you discover that your neighbor has killed someone and you kill him, you go to jail. An executioner who does the same thing gets in no trouble at all. If you see someone steal something from a store, put them in handcuffs and lock them in a room, you go to jail. A policeman who does the same thing gets lauded.

God supposedly killed 42 children for a mistake they made, as ******* children,, and massacred children, you can try to justify the bullshit all you want, I'm not brainwashed.

You're also relying on a mere mention of an event which you didn't witness, and likely don't even believe happened. IOW, prove they made a mistake and didn't do a bunch of other stuff.

They made fun of a guy with a bad comb over and were eaten by bears for it. Bears sent by God.

Guess you'd better not mock God's prophet then, huh?

Guess those kids learned their lesson. God loved the shit out of them.

 

[hadit]

Let's turn this around then, if in being against abortion, what religious reasoning or Scripture do you cite that supports your claim your religion is against abortion?

For starters,

Psalm 139:13
Isaiah 49:1
Jeremiah 1:5
Galatians 1:15
Luke 1:15

Put those together and you cannot support the ending of developing human life in the womb.

12Even the darkness is not dark to You, And the night is as bright as the day. Darkness and light are alike to You. 13For You formed my inward parts; You wove me in my mother's womb. 14I will give thanks to You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Wonderful are Your works, And my soul knows it very well.…
- Psalms 139

Has nothing to do with abortion for or against. Is simply acknowledging the biological reality inside.

1Listen to Me, O islands, And pay attention, you peoples from afar. The LORD called Me from the womb; From the body of My mother He named Me.
- Isaiah

Again, nothing for or against here.

And if the rest of your verses are similar you haven't proven your assertion yet.

Actually, I have. They point to the reality that God knows the person in the womb before they are born. He would not do that to a "clump of cells", or whatever derogatory term is used.

 

[hadit]

Your children are not a nation. Bigger people group, bigger responsibilities. The bottom line is this, God has rights and responsibilities you don't. Put it another way. If you discover that your neighbor has killed someone and you kill him, you go to jail. An executioner who does the same thing gets in no trouble at all. If you see someone steal something from a store, put them in handcuffs and lock them in a room, you go to jail. A policeman who does the same thing gets lauded.

God supposedly killed 42 children for a mistake they made, as ******* children,, and massacred children, you can try to justify the bullshit all you want, I'm not brainwashed.

You're also relying on a mere mention of an event which you didn't witness, and likely don't even believe happened. IOW, prove they made a mistake and didn't do a bunch of other stuff.

They made fun of a guy with a bad comb over and were eaten by bears for it. Bears sent by God.

Guess you'd better not mock God's prophet then, huh?

Guess those kids learned their lesson. God loved the shit out of them.

The people around them did.

 

[hadit]

It's always amusing to watch those who insist there is no God lecture those who believe there is on how to read and interpret Scripture. Always.

Kind of like how people who have never taken a single biology class are somehow qualified to tell scientists the world over they are wrong about evolution?

Of course. But then you also have biology majors and biologists saying the same things, so...

But they aren't producing the work to back up their claims.

The point remains that it's not just the relatively uneducated who find the idea of all life spontaneously igniting from nothing preposterous.

 

[Steven_R]

It's always amusing to watch those who insist there is no God lecture those who believe there is on how to read and interpret Scripture. Always.

Kind of like how people who have never taken a single biology class are somehow qualified to tell scientists the world over they are wrong about evolution?

Of course. But then you also have biology majors and biologists saying the same things, so...

But they aren't producing the work to back up their claims.

The point remains that it's not just the relatively uneducated who find the idea of all life spontaneously igniting from nothing preposterous.

Then the point remains that it doesn't take the faithful to actually read and understand just what a religious text says in context.