Zone1 God-fearing persons, or God-loving persons?

[PeterPilot]

Is one better than the other? Can you really love something that you fear? Where did all this come from?

It seems to me this is the stark difference between (in the Christian religion) the Old Testament and the New.

 

[pknopp]

Is one better than the other? Can you really love something that you fear? Where did all this come from?

IMO the fear aspect came from those who mostly want to control others.

It seems to me this is the stark difference between (in the Christian religion) the Old Testament and the New.

There is. Its the whole point.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Both are important. Just follow G-ds Commands and don't conduct evil against others, especially the most vulnerable. The abuse of power is a core insult to G-d.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I suppose it depends upon whether one is referring to the God of the Old Testament or the God of the new.

 

[PeterPilot]

I suppose it depends upon whether one is referring to the God of the Old Testament or the God of the new.

It does seem that they are easily seen as 2 different entities.

 

[luiza]

Is one better than the other? Can you really love something that you fear? Where did all this come from?

It seems to me this is the stark difference between (in the Christian religion) the Old Testament and the New.

Absolutely .
What sort of vain and narcissistic thing creates simply so that the creations worship it ?

Seems Cult Abrahamists are fatally attracted to flawed ideas and servile Compliance .

 

[TNHarley]

Just follow G-ds Commands

Like taking your stubborn child to the town elders so they can kill your child?

 

[ding]

Is one better than the other? Can you really love something that you fear? Where did all this come from?

It seems to me this is the stark difference between (in the Christian religion) the Old Testament and the New.

Maybe try using google for a more realistic understanding of what you are trying to discuss.

"Fear of God" in a spiritual context means revering and respecting God, acknowledging his power and authority. It's not a fear of being punished, but rather a deep respect and humility in the presence of the divine. This reverence can lead to humility, obedience, and a desire to live a life pleasing to God.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Reverence and Respect:
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  It's about recognizing God's greatness and the awesome power he possesses.
  
  
• Humility:
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  "Fear of God" is often associated with humility, recognizing that we are not ultimately in control and that God is the ultimate authority.
  
  
• • Obedience:
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    It can also mean obedience to God's will and commands, not out of fear of punishment, but out of a love for and respect for God.
    
  • Not Fear of Judgment:
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    While the fear of divine judgment might be part of the initial experience, the "fear of God" is a broader concept that encompasses reverence and a desire to please God.
    
  • Beginning of Wisdom:
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    In some religious contexts, "fear of God" is considered the foundation of wisdom, as it leads to a desire to learn and understand God's will.
    
    

 

[ding]

Like taking your stubborn child to the town elders so they can kill your child?

I'm really surprised google didn't use that for "what does fear of God mean?"

I mean your wisdom is off the charts. How can google not be using it, right?

 

[TNHarley]

I'm really surprised google didn't use that for "what does fear of God mean?"

I mean your wisdom is off the charts. How can google not be using it, right?

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Is one better than the other? Can you really love something that you fear? Where did all this come from?

It seems to me this is the stark difference between (in the Christian religion) the Old Testament and the New.

greetings
See James 2:13, Hebrews, Galatians 3:24, Galatians 3:23
them together, meaning comparing Scripture with Scripture

 

[ding]

Given your first post are you sure that doesn't apply more to you than it does to me?

Maybe give that some objective thought and get back to me. Because if you can't figure it out, I can give you an analogy that you should be able to understand.

 

[TNHarley]

Given your first post are you sure that doesn't apply more to you than it does to me?

Maybe give that some objective thought and get back to me. Because if you can't figure it out, I can give you an analogy that you should be able to understand.

My post was specific to a certain part of canadians post. Just because you get butthurt about it and try to change course, doesnt mean im going oblige.

 

[Votto]

It really is not this hard people

Proverbs 8:13 To fear the LORD is to hate evil

Do bad things and expect bad things to happen to YOU!!

And no, just because you choose to stick your head in a running fan blade in no way means God did it to you, it just means you are not that bright for whatever reason.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The Jews were so afraid of God, they wouldn't even whisper His name. That's because God could drop them like flies, and did.
We are under a new covenant through Jesus, who gave us a direct path back to our Father. Mercy abounds. God prefers it to the Law. The Law is death. Christ is life.

 

[Votto]

The Jews were so afraid of God, they wouldn't even whisper His name. That's because God could drop them like flies, and did.
We are under a new covenant through Jesus, who gave us a direct path back to our Father. Mercy abounds. God prefers it to the Law. The Law is death. Christ is life.

Put another way, God is Holy and we are not.

Christ is the intercessor that enables a Holy God to embrace those who are not.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Put another way, God is Holy and we are not.

Christ is the intercessor that enables a Holy God to embrace those who are not.

That's true. He sits at the right of our Father, and intercedes in our behalf.
The exchange that took place on the cross was that Jesus took our sins and paid for them, and we received His sin free record to enable us to be reunited with God, in return. Those who accept Christ as our Savior, look like Christ to God. Covered in His red blood, makes us white as snow. God doesn't even remember our sins that Christ nailed to the cross.


Isaiah 1:18 “Come now, and let us reason together,” saith the Lord. “Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Hebrews 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.”

 

[ding]

My post was specific to a certain part of canadians post. Just because you get butthurt about it and try to change course, doesnt mean im going oblige.

I'm not butt hurt TN. You give yourself way too much credit. I made fun of your biased and snarky comment. As well I should. It's not my fault that you couldn't be bothered with searching for the correct unbiased understanding of the phrase "God fearing." All you had to do was type it into google. So don't get all butt hurt because I addressed your snark with my own snark. At least my snark was based upon reality, whereas yours was based upon bias.

 

[TNHarley]

I'm not butt hurt TN. You give yourself way too much credit. I made fun of your biased and snarky comment. As well I should. It's not my fault that you couldn't be bothered with searching for the correct unbiased understanding of the phrase "God fearing." All you had to do was type it into google. So don't get all butt hurt because I addressed your snark with my own snark. At least my snark was based upon reality, whereas yours was based upon bias.

dear jesus

 

[norwegen]

It does seem that they are easily seen as 2 different entities.

Or maybe one entity seen two different ways.

In my opinion, because the Israelites' story is one of contention with their god starting in the garden, then naturally they fear him, and their narrative should rightfully raise questions about that god.

At the end of their story, some of them started believing that their Messiah had come, and so by him reconciled with their god, they paint a more accurate picture of him again, as he was when he walked with them in the garden.