Zone1 God-fearing persons, or God-loving persons?

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dear jesus

Sometimes the best prayers are prayers out of frustration.

 

[Meriweather]

Or maybe one entity seen two different ways.

In my opinion, because the Israelites' story is one of contention with their god starting in the garden, then naturally they fear him, and their narrative should rightfully raise questions about that god.

At the end of their story, some of them started believing that their Messiah had come, and so by him reconciled with their god, they paint a more accurate picture of him again, as he was when he walked with them in the garden.

Maybe it's the same story. In Genesis, God walked in the garden with mankind, teaching them his way of obedience. They chose disobedience which means they were now out of step in the walk with God.

Contemplate a perspective where God sees that mankind failed with God teaching humans that walk of obedience--yet only God was capable of walking in obedience. Here we have God becoming man (the Word made flesh) so that man could show mankind that walk of obedience. First, he assured them that sins ARE forgiven, and then began teaching them to discern the will of God and to follow and obey God's will.

In Greek, Jesus' final words are interpreted as paying off the entire debt. In Aramaic, the language Jesus spoke, his final words were 'submission/obedience'. In the early church obedience was highly prized, but once again mankind seems to have fallen away from that.

It appears no sin is impossible for God to forgive; what seems impossible is for mankind to live in obedience, submitting to God's plans.

 

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The true understanding of peace through surrender eludes many supposedly intelligent people. It's easy to have peace when times are good. Not so much for when times are bad.

 

[PeterPilot]

greetings
See James 2:13, Hebrews, Galatians 3:24, Galatians 3:23
them together, meaning comparing Scripture with Scripture
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I've reached the point where I see the Torah and Old Testament as foundational myths for genocide and plunder. Any "Lord" that would order "his chosen people" to rape and pillage and steal sounds very much like Moloch or Lucifer.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

I've reached the point where I see the Torah and Old Testament as foundational myths for genocide and plunder. Any "Lord" that would order "his chosen people" to rape and pillage and steal sounds very much like Moloch or Lucifer.

Greetings

First, Jesus is not his true name; people told you that it is an allegorical story
What you fear is the unknown
Acts 4:12, the Hebrew
Jesus, given that name is Isis, Queen of Osiris, her son was Horus

True chosen people know the truth because they have the Spirit of Truth. Then those have the spirit of error, myths for genocide and plunder.

 

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I've reached the point where I see the Torah and Old Testament as foundational myths for genocide and plunder. Any "Lord" that would order "his chosen people" to rape and pillage and steal sounds very much like Moloch or Lucifer.

That's extraordinary. How did you use to see them?

 

[PeterPilot]

That's extraordinary. How did you use to see them?

I used to see them as works of literature. I've known that the Catholic Church and other religious authorities have removed and edited some of the books, but never quite put it together until now.

 

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I used to see them as works of literature. I've known that the Catholic Church and other religious authorities have removed and edited some of the books, but never quite put it together until now.

So the accounts are no longer literature? Did you not see them as genocide and plunder before? How did you see it before?

 

[Woodznutz]

Old Covenant: Basic training.
New Covenant: Advanced Individual Training.

 

[PeterPilot]

Old Covenant: Basic training.
New Covenant: Advanced Individual Training.

Thanks for the input. That is an interesting comparison, having done the US Army thing back in the Vietnam era.

The OT is basic training, indoctrination, in the ways of racial superiority, military aggression, hatred and rape and plunder.

The New Testament is training in pretty much the opposite in all regards to OT. Teaching that love improves the world and fulfills man's place in the scheme of things. Teaching that while the letter of the law in the OT gives death, the spirit of the law gives life. Teaching that all men are equal.

 

[ding]

Thanks for the input. That is an interesting comparison, having done the US Army thing back in the Vietnam era.

The OT is basic training, indoctrination, in the ways of racial superiority, military aggression, hatred and rape and plunder.

The New Testament is training in pretty much the opposite in all regards to OT. Teaching that love improves the world and fulfills man's place in the scheme of things. Teaching that while the letter of the law in the OT gives death, the spirit of the law gives life. Teaching that all men are equal.

You aren't the first person who couldn't reconcile the OT with the NT. The filthy Cathars couldn't either.

 

[dudmuck]

The Jews were so afraid of God, they wouldn't even whisper His name. That's because God could drop them like flies, and did.
We are under a new covenant through Jesus, who gave us a direct path back to our Father. Mercy abounds. God prefers it to the Law. The Law is death. Christ is life.

In Hebrew, it was Yirat Hashem, which means reverential fear of God or awe of God.
There are other related words, such as the verb form of yirat, which does mean to be afraid.
Then there is pachad in hebrew, which means panic.

one has to wonder if its lost in translation, or the changes in language over the millennia.
Or were they actual afraid of God, which seems absurd due to God's unconditional love.
The only thing to fear is our own rejection of God.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I'm not so sure it was reverential. He killed off almost 15,000 with a plague because they were contemplating killing Moses. It took Aaron to stop it. And there was that golden calf incident...

 

[Cougarbear]

Is one better than the other? Can you really love something that you fear? Where did all this come from?

It seems to me this is the stark difference between (in the Christian religion) the Old Testament and the New.

When it says, fear God, fear means to have clarity in what God wants. Too much fear causes one to freeze and do nothing. To little fear causes one to be dismissive of what God wants. The right amount of fear causes us to focus on what God wants and then do it. What we should be focusing on is objective truth because God has given us objective truth. People often mistake this for compassion. That love is compassionate and God is love. No, he's the giver of objective truth. A man has a penis and will never ever become pregnant. It's love to tell people straight up what the objective truth is so that they can make an informed decision on their behaviors and beliefs.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Maybe try using google for a more realistic understanding of what you are trying to discuss.

"Fear of God" in a spiritual context means revering and respecting God, acknowledging his power and authority. It's not a fear of being punished, but rather a deep respect and humility in the presence of the divine. This reverence can lead to humility, obedience, and a desire to live a life pleasing to God.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Reverence and Respect:
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  It's about recognizing God's greatness and the awesome power he possesses.
  
  
• Humility:
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  "Fear of God" is often associated with humility, recognizing that we are not ultimately in control and that God is the ultimate authority.
  
  
• • Obedience:
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    It can also mean obedience to God's will and commands, not out of fear of punishment, but out of a love for and respect for God.
  • Not Fear of Judgment:
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    While the fear of divine judgment might be part of the initial experience, the "fear of God" is a broader concept that encompasses reverence and a desire to please God.
  • Beginning of Wisdom:
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    In some religious contexts, "fear of God" is considered the foundation of wisdom, as it leads to a desire to learn and understand God's will.
    

Where is that write-up in the bible? Or did it come from someone making shit up as usual?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

When it says, fear God, fear means to have clarity in what God wants. Too much fear causes one to freeze and do nothing. To little fear causes one to be dismissive of what God wants. The right amount of fear causes us to focus on what God wants and then do it. What we should be focusing on is objective truth because God has given us objective truth. People often mistake this for compassion. That love is compassionate and God is love. No, he's the giver of objective truth. A man has a penis and will never ever become pregnant. It's love to tell people straight up what the objective truth is so that they can make an informed decision on their behaviors and beliefs.

That's what the members of ISIS believe too.

 

[Moonglow]

Is one better than the other? Can you really love something that you fear? Where did all this come from?

It seems to me this is the stark difference between (in the Christian religion) the Old Testament and the New.

Joseph Campbell Quotes: Computers are like Old Testament gods; lots of rules and no mercy.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

I'm really surprised google didn't use that for "what does fear of God mean?"

I mean your wisdom is off the charts. How can google not be using it, right?

Google is now a Christian apologist? Who knew? Gee. Everyone can just Google it to find out the synopsis of what hundreds of Christian apologists wrote.

You do know that is how AI works, right?

 

[luiza]

Maybe try using google for a more realistic understanding of what you are trying to discuss.

"Fear of God" in a spiritual context means revering and respecting God, acknowledging his power and authority. It's not a fear of being punished, but rather a deep respect and humility in the presence of the divine. This reverence can lead to humility, obedience, and a desire to live a life pleasing to God.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Reverence and Respect:
  .Opens in new tab
  It's about recognizing God's greatness and the awesome power he possesses.
  
  
• Humility:
  .Opens in new tab
  "Fear of God" is often associated with humility, recognizing that we are not ultimately in control and that God is the ultimate authority.
  
  
• • Obedience:
    .Opens in new tab
    It can also mean obedience to God's will and commands, not out of fear of punishment, but out of a love for and respect for God.
  • Not Fear of Judgment:
    .Opens in new tab
    While the fear of divine judgment might be part of the initial experience, the "fear of God" is a broader concept that encompasses reverence and a desire to please God.
  • Beginning of Wisdom:
    .Opens in new tab
    In some religious contexts, "fear of God" is considered the foundation of wisdom, as it leads to a desire to learn and understand God's will.
    

You are repeating the narrative --- a vain and self admiring Creator that demands servility and compliance .

Don't try to dress up a dog's dinner as something fit for thinking and feeling humans .

 

[Cougarbear]

That's what the members of ISIS believe too.

And the opposite Woke dems are slowly trying to get to the point of having compassion for minor attracted persons. Are you going to object to pedophiles because they already are claiming that they should be treated the same as transgenders. Objective truth is goodness and should be recognizable. But, the whole LGBTQ movement is to allow for no crime for minor attracted pedophiles. You should be able to recognize objective truth, live it and teach it.