Global Warming Liars

[Crick]

So, do communists lie about global warming more or less than non-communists?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Given how renewables are so much cheaper, why would we build new reactors?

If you want to invest in new nuclear reactors, no one is stopping you.

Actually, yes, the government is stopping you

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So, do communists lie about global warming more or less than non-communists?

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy... One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore...." Ottmar Edenhofer, IPCC

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Your comprehension


You don't have to be fragile to be negatively affected by American-enforced sanctions.

Marx defined communism as:

" Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a far-left[3][4][5] philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order based on the idea of common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange—allocating products to everyone in the society.[6][7][8] It also involves the absence of social classes, money,[9] and the state "

Source:

Communism - Wikipedia​

The original primitive communism of our ancestors is defined by Marx as primitive, due to its material conditions. it is stateless, without socioeconomic classes or money. High communism is high-tech, requiring advance technology, hence it is in our future. Like primitive communism it is also stateless, without socioeconomic classes or money. There has never been a communist state, but there have been and there are today, socialist states. The USSR was the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. The word "communist" is not there. It's oxymoronic to identify a state as communists, because communism is stateless. Socialism is the process that leads to high-communism.

You don't have to be fragile to be negatively affected by American-enforced sanctions

Apparently communism is the future. Unless one country doesn't want to trade with you.
If only there were more countries in the world that Cuba could trade with.

The USSR was the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. The word "communist" is not there.

OMG! I never noticed. Did the heads of the Soviet Union’s Communist Party know
that their country wasn't communist?

 

[surada]

More disingenuous and pointless criticism. I mentioned the fact that Cuban companies, whether public or private, can't conduct business due to the sanctions and you asked me to name some private companies and I did. Then you start griping about there only being two private companies listed in the reference I provided as if that matters to the point I originally made. It doesn't, the companies can be private, or public, the point is that the US sanctions seriously undermine Cuba's ability to conduct business.

The fact that there are still nations identifying as Marxist despite the US and its sanctions, imperialist warmongering..etc, is a testament to the power of socialism. Socialism exists in several forms throughout the world, and it will eventually replace capitalism. Efficiency and automation come from technology and that's what will eliminate capitalism.

Which nations identify as Marxist?

 

[mamooth]

"But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy... One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore...." Ottmar Edenhofer, IPCC

Seriously, the faked quote _again_?

Have you no shame at all? At least come up with some new fraud.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Which nations identify as Marxist?

Look at the really crappy ones.

 

[surada]

Look at the really crappy ones.

Laos, Vietnam??

List of socialist states - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Seriously, the faked quote _again_?

Have you no shame at all? At least come up with some new fraud.

Not faked, it's a direct quote from the interview

 

[mamooth]

Not faked, it's a direct quote from the interview

If you're not lying, I'm sure you can show us that interview. Not just a denier lying about it, but the actual full interview from a primary source. Do so right here:

Now, I can point to that interview. That's how I know you're lying You're just parroting what you saw on a cult web page.

And how do I know absolutely that you're lying here? Because you claimed it was a direct quote ... and the original interview is in German.

Oops.

Frank, given how many decades you've spent lying, you have no excuse for sucking so badly at it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Not faked, it's a direct quote from the interview

Outrageous!!
AGW fanatics don't want to take money from anybody and the don't want to give money to anybody. They don't want to touch money. They don't even want to think about money.
Money is dirty and awful and causes global warming.


Now give us your money.

 

[Red Front]

You don't have to be fragile to be negatively affected by American-enforced sanctions

Apparently communism is the future. Unless one country doesn't want to trade with you.
If only there were more countries in the world that Cuba could trade with.

The USSR was the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. The word "communist" is not there.

OMG! I never noticed. Did the heads of the Soviet Union’s Communist Party know
that their country wasn't communist?

If your sarcasm was making a valid point I would be impressed but it, unfortunately, doesn't. It's just pretentious, disingenuous, dishonest, and deluded. If that one country was Argentina or Thailand, big deal, I agree. That's not the case, however, you know that. You're not an idiot. The United States is currently (hopefully not for long), the imperialist world hegemon and strongman bully. It's the 800-pound gorilla, financially and otherwise. If Cuba was being sanctioned by Argentina or Thailand, big deal, no problem. You flippantly dismiss the fact that the US is a capitalist-run empire that controls the most prominent centers of economic power in the world, including the world banking system. etc. To expend energy trying to argue what is self-evident is a waste of my time. Cuba is in the shadow of a capitalist, imperialist empire, so of course, it's going to suffer.

Yes, socialism is the future and that is also self-evident. Advanced 21st-century technology is going to replace practically all blue-collar, menial jobs and many professional, white-collar jobs as well. It's not just me saying this, it's most experts, including the billionaires (lords of capital). Elon Musk even identified himself as a socialist on the Joe Rogan show a couple of years ago. Explicitly said, "I'm a socialist". Does he now behave like one? No, but that's what he said nonetheless. They see the writing on the wall and recognize that we're going to have to socialize and democratize production in the not-too-distant future.

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UBI would cost trillions yearly and is insane. There's absolutely no reason to hand everyone a free income, that they don't have to work for. Why do the well informed capitalist insist that eventually there's going to be the need for the government to bailout capitalism on a monthly basis by giving everyone a monthly income? It's because they want to remain in power and protect their assets and wealth. The capitalist system needs paying consumers and technology is going to dramatically reduce human labor hence socializing and democratizing production is inevitable, through a peaceful transition or through pitchforks when people go to bed hungry. They know that a government UBI bailout is needed to save capitalism. Of course, this isn't going to save capitalism in the long-term , it's going to create a modern feudal state where people depend upon a government monthly check and yet still don't own the means of production. The billionaires will own everything and you and I will remain renters forever, and dependent upon them (this will eventually lead to a violent socialist revolution).

Last point. Communism is:

" Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a far-left[3][4][5] philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order based on the idea of common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange—allocating products to everyone in the society.[6][7][8] It also involves the absence of social classes, money,[9] and the state "

Source:

Communism - Wikipedia​

A society without a state, socioeconomic classes or the need for money. NO STATE - NO CLASSES - NO NEED FOR MONEY. To say that the USSR was a "communist state" is a misnomer, that even the Soviets themselves didn't use. The USSR was the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. Soviet = Worker Councils/Democratic People's Councils. Socialism = Process that leads to high communism. The USSR was communist only in the sense that it was en route or in the process of becoming communist. It was socialist, not communist. I call myself a communist because that's the goal and objective, hence I identify with the revolutionary purpose of my socialism. To reach communism, a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money. Socialism has a state, it may even have socioeconomic classes (a residue of its capitalist past, hence still in transition), and use money as a means of exchange. Socialism is the process that leads to high communism (i.e. high-tech, modern communism).

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[Toddsterpatriot]

If your sarcasm was making a valid point I would be impressed but it, unfortunately, doesn't. It's just pretentious, disingenuous, dishonest, and deluded. If that one country was Argentina or Thailand, big deal, I agree. That's not the case, however, you know that. You're not an idiot. The United States is currently (hopefully not for long), the imperialist world hegemon and strongman bully. It's the 800-pound gorilla, financially and otherwise. If Cuba was being sanctioned by Argentina or Thailand, big deal, no problem. You flippantly dismiss the fact that the US is a capitalist-run empire that controls the most prominent centers of economic power in the world, including the world banking system. etc. To expend energy trying to argue what is self-evident is a waste of my time. Cuba is in the shadow of a capitalist, imperialist empire, so of course, it's going to suffer.

Yes, socialism is the future and that is also self-evident. Advanced 21st-century technology is going to replace practically all blue-collar, menial jobs and many professional, white-collar jobs as well. It's not just me saying this, it's most experts, including the billionaires (lords of capital). Elon Musk even identified himself as a socialist on the Joe Rogan show a couple of years ago. Explicitly said, "I'm a socialist". Does he now behave like on? No, but that's what he said nonetheless. They see the writing on the wall and recognize that we're going to have to socialize and democratize production in the not-too-distant future.

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UBI would cost trillions yearly and is insane. There's absolutely no reason to hand everyone a free income, that they don't have to work for. Why do the well informed capitalist insist that eventually there's going to be the need for the government to bailout capitalism on a monthly basis by giving everyone an income? It's because they want to remain in power and protect their assets and wealth. The capitalist system needs paying consumers and technology is going to dramatically reduce human labor hence socializing and democratizing production is inevitable, through a peaceful transition or through pitchforks when people go to bed hungry. They know that a government UBI bailout is needed to save capitalism. Of course, this isn't going to save capitalism in the long-term , it's going to create a modern feudal state where people depend upon a government monthly check and yet still don't own the means of production. The billionaires will own everything and you and I will remain renters forever, and dependent upon them.


Last point. Communism is:


" Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a far-left[3][4][5] philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order based on the idea of common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange—allocating products to everyone in the society.[6][7][8] It also involves the absence of social classes, money,[9] and the state "

Source:

Communism - Wikipedia​

A society without a state, socioeconomic classes or the need for money. NO STATE - NO CLASSES - NO NEED FOR MONEY. To say that the USSR was a "communist state" is a misnomer, that even the Soviets themselves didn't use. The USSR was the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. Soviet = Worker Councils/Democratic People's Councils. Socialism = Process that leads to high communism. The USSR was communist only in the sense that it was en route or in the process of becoming communist. It was socialist, not communist. I call myself a communist because that's the goal and objective, hence I identify with the revolutionary purpose of my socialism. To reach communism, a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money. Socialism has a state, it may even have socioeconomic classes (a residue of its capitalist past, hence still in transition), and use money as a means of exchange. Socialism is the process that leads to high communism (i.e. high-tech, modern communism).

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You flippantly dismiss the fact that the US is a capitalist-run empire that controls the most prominent centers of economic power in the world, including the world banking system. etc.

If communism was so awesome, the USSR would control the most prominent centers of economic power in the world, including the world banking system. etc.

Cuba is in the shadow of a capitalist, imperialist empire, so of course, it's going to suffer.

Communists are too stupid to realize they can still trade with the other 191 countries?

The USSR was communist only in the sense that it was en route or in the process of becoming communist.

And on the way, they landed on the ash heap of history.

 

[Red Front]

You flippantly dismiss the fact that the US is a capitalist-run empire that controls the most prominent centers of economic power in the world, including the world banking system. etc.

If communism was so awesome, the USSR would control the most prominent centers of economic power in the world, including the world banking system. etc.

Cuba is in the shadow of a capitalist, imperialist empire, so of course, it's going to suffer.

Communists are too stupid to realize they can still trade with the other 191 countries?

The USSR was communist only in the sense that it was en route or in the process of becoming communist.

And on the way, they landed on the ash heap of history.

I already explained why what you're saying is absurd and dishonest. You just continue repeating the same nonsensical arguments. First, why does socialism have to replace capitalism in one, definitive, quick swoop for it to be capitalism's eventual successor? I'll just stop there. For the sake of our audience, we'll examine your reasoning one piece and point at a time. On what grounds do you insist that socialism must replace capitalism overnight or within a certain time span if it is a viable, valid mode of production that will replace capitalism? Present us with your reason/s for demanding this.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

First, why does socialism have to replace capitalism in one, definitive, quick swoop

Or at all?

 

[ChemEngineer]

Actually, yes, the government is stopping you

And the environmental wackos (but I repeat myself) stop the government at every opportunity.
No new nuclear power plants, no new gasoline powered cars, no new electric generating plants.
They are SO CRAZY that they organized Stop Oil Now and are lying down in front of any car or truck.
Their next logical step is to murder every car and truck driver behind the wheel of an ICE, and then destroy the vehicle with their bloody pitchforks.

http://StopOilNow.org

 

[Red Front]

Or at all?

I'm going to ask you again:

On what grounds do you insist that socialism must replace capitalism overnight or within a certain time span if it is a viable, valid mode of production that will replace capitalism? Present us with your reason/s for demanding this.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm going to ask you again:

On what grounds do you insist that socialism must replace capitalism overnight or within a certain time span if it is a viable, valid mode of production that will replace capitalism? Present us with your reason/s for demanding this.

Again, it's not capitalists who are insisting capitalism will be replaced.

 

[Red Front]

Again, it's not capitalists who are insisting capitalism will be replaced.

Again, it's you who are asserting that socialism is forever, a failure and will never replace capitalism on the grounds that it failed in the past. You are the one asserting that because the USSR did not defeat the United States, in the 20th century, socialism failed and will always continue to fail in its struggle against capitalism. Why do you believe that?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Again, it's you who are asserting that socialism is forever, a failure and will never replace capitalism on the grounds that it failed in the past. You are the one asserting that because the USSR did not defeat the United States, in the 20th century, socialism failed and will always continue to fail in its struggle against capitalism. Why do you believe that?

Communism, not a great winning percentage.