Global Warming Liars

[Toddsterpatriot]

What we learn from this thread is that denialism and bitter-kook-loser-right-wing-fringe extremism are the same thing. You don't get one without the other.

Denialism is entirely political. Deniers literally care nothing about the science. They say whatever their political cult tells them to say, whatever the topic is. If right wing politics vanished, denialism would instantly vanish along with it.

In contrast, if left-wing politics vanished, climate science wouldn't change a bit. That's because it's actual science, and not political dogma.

If we wanted to fix the problem, without politics, how many new nuclear reactors should we build?

 

[mamooth]

If we wanted to fix the problem, without politics, how many new nuclear reactors should we build?

Given how renewables are so much cheaper, why would we build new reactors?

If you want to invest in new nuclear reactors, no one is stopping you.

 

[Red Front]

A few private Cuban companies:

Two is very few.

Companies and countries often don't sell materials and spare parts, to Cuba out of fear of being barred from doing business with the US (not just selling to the US market but buying from the US as well)

Really? We have a law against other countries trading with Cuba? Link?

Again your last comment is absurd. You keep falling into the same flawed reasoning, asserting that an economic or political system has to replace its predecessor overnight or within a certain arbitrarily set period of time

Well, you guys were feeling pretty confident 100 years ago.
You stopped advancing while Reagan was president and then you started going backward.
So when is it gonna happen?

Why do you apply different standards of success to socialism than you do to capitalism?

Socialism? What happened to communism?

Why do you continue resorting to these horrible, irrational arguments?

Communism is irrational, what sort of arguments should I use?

You continue with the same disingenuous, dishonest arguments, completely ignoring the points that I made in previous posts which already answered your objections and questions.

If communism is irrational, that doesn't justify you resorting to irrational arguments to refute it. Your thinking process and troll like behavior is what is actually absurd and ridiculous. What is irrational is the fact that we have 17,000,000 vacant homes in America and yet still have 700,000 homeless people. When production technology reaches a certain level of efficiency and automation, it's completely irrational for society to continue producing what it consumes through capitalist middlemen. The socialization and democratization of productive forces becomes the only rational solution to addressing the crisis of technology, replacing wage labor. It's not UBI i.e. Universal Basic Income, a monthly government bailout for capitalists in order to keep capitalism on life support. The rational solution is SOCIALISM, then High Communism when technology permits. Read my previous post (433), where I describe exactly what socialism and high communism is:

(433)​

More, why would you a supposed champion of personal freedom and liberty be so gung-ho about an economic system and mode of production that is based on autocratically run business enterprises that exploit human labor for a profit? You insist on democracy in politics, but not in the workplace, where human beings spend most of their waking hours? Socialism is irrational? No, capitalism and its defenders are irrational, especially today in the 21st century. Technology could make production incredibly simple, efficient and completely independent of capitalists, owned by the workers, who do the actual work (with much less drudgery, if we actually took advantage of all of the technology available to us today).

Money fetishism, consumerism/commodity fetishism, producing for money, rather than to meet human needs, that is irrational. You don't see it because you've been brainwashed or you're one of the capitalists who is doing the brainwashing. We need to transcend capitalism and adopt a socialized, democratized, and eventually, when technology permits, a personalized mode of production.

The alternative to modern socialism is modern, techno-feudalism. I prefer socialism to feudalism.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Given how renewables are so much cheaper, why would we build new reactors?

If you want to invest in new nuclear reactors, no one is stopping you.

Given how renewables are so much cheaper

Reliable power is kind of important and renewables aren't.

why would we build new reactors?

Reliable, large scale and no CO2.

 

[Red Front]

Given how renewables are so much cheaper

Reliable power is kind of important and renewables aren't.

why would we build new reactors?

Reliable, large scale and no CO2.

Wow I agree with Todd. Yes nuclear is the solution to our energy needs. We can use MSRs, i.e. Molten Salt Reactors, that are unpressurized, hence will never suffer a meltdown or explode as LWRs i.e. Light Water Reactors, have done in the past.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You continue with the same disingenuous, dishonest arguments, completely ignoring the points that I made in previous posts which already answered your objections and questions.

If communism is irrational, that doesn't justify you resorting to irrational arguments to refute it. Your thinking process and troll like behavior is what is actually absurd and ridiculous. What is irrational is the fact that we have 17,000,000 vacant homes in America and yet still have 700,000 homeless people. When production technology reaches a certain level of efficiency and automation, it's completely irrational for society to continue producing what it consumes through capitalist middlemen. The socialization and democratization of productive forces becomes the only rational solution to addressing the crisis of technology, replacing wage labor. It's not UBI i.e. Universal Basic Income, a monthly government bailout for capitalists in order to keep capitalism on life support. The rational solution is SOCIALISM, then High Communism when technology permits. Read my previous post, it's about one or two posts before this one, where I describe exactly what socialism and high communism is.

More, why would you a supposed champion of personal freedom and liberty be so gung-ho about an economic system and mode of production that is based on autocratically run business enterprises that exploit human labor for a profit? You insist on democracy in politics, but not in the workplace, where human beings spend most of their waking hours? Socialism is irrational? No, capitalism and its defenders are irrational, especially today in the 21st century. Technology could make production incredibly simple, efficient and completely independent of capitalists, owned by the workers, who do the actual work (with much less drudgery, if we actually took advantage of all of the technology available to us today).

Money fetishism, consumerism/commodity fetishism, producing for money, rather than to meet human needs, that is irrational. You don't see it because you've been brainwashed or you're one of the capitalists who is doing the brainwashing. We need to transcend capitalism and adopt a socialized, democratized, and eventually, when technology permits, a personalized mode of production.

The alternative to modern socialism is modern, techno-feudalism. I prefer socialism to feudalism.

You continue with the same disingenuous, dishonest arguments, completely ignoring the points that I made in previous posts which already answered your objections and questions.

You were whining about all the private Cuban companies that couldn't access the international banking system and then you only came up with two?

Are there only two privately owned companies in Cuba?

If communism is irrational, that doesn't justify you resorting to irrational arguments to refute it.

I pointed out communism's universal failure to date and you said that was irrational.

What is irrational is the fact that we have 17,000,000 vacant homes in America and yet still have 700,000 homeless people.

Link?

When production technology reaches a certain level of efficiency and automation, it's completely irrational for society to continue producing what it consumes through capitalist middlemen.

Efficiency and automation don't come from government. Especially a communist one.

Technology could make production incredibly simple, efficient and completely independent of capitalists, owned by the workers,

You should do that. Don't borrow from any banks. Post your progress here.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wow I agree with Todd. Yes nuclear is the solution to our energy needs. We can use MSRs, i.e. Molten Salt Reactors, that are unpressurized, hence will never suffer a meltdown or explode as LWRs i.e. Light Water Reactors, have in the past.

Keep your stupid commie hands off the nuclear reactors.

 

[Red Front]

Keep your stupid commie hands off the nuclear reactors.

The commies will be the ones who will build nuclear reactors in this country, meeting all of the country's energy needs.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The commies will be the ones who will build nuclear reactors in this country, meeting all of the country's energy needs.

God, I hope not.
We don't need more bad commie designs.

 

[Red Front]

You continue with the same disingenuous, dishonest arguments, completely ignoring the points that I made in previous posts which already answered your objections and questions.

You were whining about all the private Cuban companies that couldn't access the international banking system and then you only came up with two?

Are there only two privately owned companies in Cuba?

If communism is irrational, that doesn't justify you resorting to irrational arguments to refute it.

I pointed out communism's universal failure to date and you said that was irrational.

What is irrational is the fact that we have 17,000,000 vacant homes in America and yet still have 700,000 homeless people.

Link?

When production technology reaches a certain level of efficiency and automation, it's completely irrational for society to continue producing what it consumes through capitalist middlemen.

Efficiency and automation don't come from government. Especially a communist one.

Technology could make production incredibly simple, efficient and completely independent of capitalists, owned by the workers,

You should do that. Don't borrow from any banks. Post your progress here.

More disingenuous and pointless criticism. I mentioned the fact that Cuban companies, whether public or private, can't conduct business due to the sanctions and you asked me to name some private companies and I did. Then you start griping about there only being two private companies listed in the reference I provided as if that matters to the point I originally made. It doesn't, the companies can be private, or public, the point is that the US sanctions seriously undermine Cuba's ability to conduct business.

The fact that there are still nations identifying as Marxist despite the US and its sanctions, imperialist warmongering..etc, is a testament to the power of socialism. Socialism exists in several forms throughout the world, and it will eventually replace capitalism. Efficiency and automation come from technology and that's what will eliminate capitalism.

 

[Red Front]

God, I hope not.
We don't need more bad commie designs.

Nuclear power in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Soviet designs were just as good as ours. If you whine about Chornobyl, realize that American designs also melted down and had their accidents, not just here in the states but in other countries as well. I'm helping you avoid another silly argument that can be turned against you.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

More disingenuous and pointless criticism. I mentioned the fact that Cuban companies, whether public or private, can't conduct business due to the sanctions and you asked me to name some private companies and I did.

Two private ones. That's a lot.

Did you ever post proof that the US prevents Cuba from importing raw materials?

Or is my question irrational?

The fact that there are still nations identifying as Marxist despite the US and its sanctions, imperialist warmongering..etc, is a testament to the power of socialism.

The power to impoverish their people.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nuclear power in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Soviet designs were just as good as ours. If you whine about Chornobyl, realize that American designs also melted down and had their accidents, not just here in the states but in other countries as well. I'm helping you avoid another silly argument that can be turned against you.

Soviet designs were just as good as ours.

Stop it.....you're killing me!!!

If you whine about Chornobyl, realize that American designs also melted down and had their accidents

Which of our designs used graphite as a moderator with no containment structure?

 

[Red Front]

Soviet designs were just as good as ours.

Stop it.....you're killing me!!!

If you whine about Chornobyl, realize that American designs also melted down and had their accidents

Which of our designs used graphite as a moderator with no containment structure?

Stop pretending you're a nuclear engineer.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Stop pretending you're a nuclear engineer.

As long as you stop pretending communism can work.

 

[Red Front]

Two private ones. That's a lot.

Did you ever post proof that the US prevents Cuba from importing raw materials?

Or is my question irrational?

The fact that there are still nations identifying as Marxist despite the US and its sanctions, imperialist warmongering..etc, is a testament to the power of socialism.

The power to impoverish their people.

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"In 2013, according to state figures, more than 424,000 Cubans (8.6% of all workers) were classified as self-employed; as recently as 2009, fewer than 144,000 Cubans (2.8%) were. The “microenterprise” sector may be even bigger due to the hiring of unregistered full- and part-time workers. Ted Henken and Archibald Ritter, researchers at Baruch College and Carleton University, respectively, estimate that as many as half of small enterprises employ at least one unregistered worker." https://www.ascecuba.org/c/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/v24-henkenritter.pdf

Yes, there are obviosly more than just two privately owned businesses in Cuba, but that's irrelevant. I personally wish there wasn't even one privately owned company and it was all own by the people's government, but that's besides the point. The point is that the US embargo greatly undermines the Cuban economy, a fact you continue to deny.

An example of restrictions in the import of raw materials:

US Prevents Cuba From Acquiring Pharmaceutical Raw Materials

Some shipping companies return supplies purchased by Cubans for fear of U.S. sanctions.

www.telesurenglish.net

US Sanctions Six Tankers For Shipping Oil From Venezuela To Cuba - Diálogo Américas

On December 3, the United States imposed economic sanctions on six ships for transporting oil from Venezuela to Cuba, as part of Washington’s campaign to force out Venezuelan ruler Nicolás Maduro, whose government the United States considers to be a dictatorship. The U.S. Department of the...

dialogo-americas.com

New U.S. Sanctions Seek to Block Venezuelan Oil Shipments to Cuba (Published 2019)

The sanctions, senior administration officials said, could force a “recalibration” of Venezuela’s relationship with Cuba, which has been defending the government of President Nicolás Maduro.

www.nytimes.com

It's the United States, the big capitalist bully empire that impoverishes people all around the world.

 

[Red Front]

As long as you stop pretending communism can work.

It worked for tens of thousands of years (when we were hunter-gatherers) and it will work in the future when technology permits. Socialism is the process that leads to high communism. There are two types of communism, primitive and high-tech/high communism. Socialism and high communism are inevitable due to the advancement of technology.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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"In 2013, according to state figures, more than 424,000 Cubans (8.6% of all workers) were classified as self-employed; as recently as 2009, fewer than 144,000 Cubans (2.8%) were. The “microenterprise” sector may be even bigger due to the hiring of unregistered full- and part-time workers. Ted Henken and Archibald Ritter, researchers at Baruch College and Carleton University, respectively, estimate that as many as half of small enterprises employ at least one unregistered worker." https://www.ascecuba.org/c/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/v24-henkenritter.pdf

Yes, there are obviosly more than just two privately owned businesses in Cuba, but that's irrelevant. I personally wish there wasn't even one privately owned company and it was all own by the people's government, but that's besides the point. The point is that the US embargo greatly undermines the Cuban economy, a fact you continue to deny.

An example of restrictions in the import of raw materials:

US Prevents Cuba From Acquiring Pharmaceutical Raw Materials

Some shipping companies return supplies purchased by Cubans for fear of U.S. sanctions.

www.telesurenglish.net

US Sanctions Six Tankers For Shipping Oil From Venezuela To Cuba - Diálogo Américas

On December 3, the United States imposed economic sanctions on six ships for transporting oil from Venezuela to Cuba, as part of Washington’s campaign to force out Venezuelan ruler Nicolás Maduro, whose government the United States considers to be a dictatorship. The U.S. Department of the...

dialogo-americas.com

New U.S. Sanctions Seek to Block Venezuelan Oil Shipments to Cuba (Published 2019)

The sanctions, senior administration officials said, could force a “recalibration” of Venezuela’s relationship with Cuba, which has been defending the government of President Nicolás Maduro.

www.nytimes.com

It's the United States, the big capitalist bully empire that impoverishes people all around the world.

OMG! That's awful!

But where does that show that the US stops Cuba from importing raw materials?

The point is that the US embargo greatly undermines the Cuban economy, a fact you continue to deny.

Communist economies are very fragile.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It worked for tens of thousands of years (when we were hunter-gatherers)

I'm talking about Marx-communism.
This failed journalist wrote all about it in the 1800s.
He said the workers would revolt because capitalism would get worse and worse.
I guess journalism wasn't the only thing he was bad at, eh comrade?

 

[Red Front]

OMG! That's awful!

But where does that show that the US stops Cuba from importing raw materials?

The point is that the US embargo greatly undermines the Cuban economy, a fact you continue to deny.

Communist economies are very fragile.

Your comprehension

I'm talking about Marx-communism.
This failed journalist wrote all about it in the 1800s.
He said the workers would revolt because capitalism would get worse and worse.
I guess journalism wasn't the only thing he was bad at, eh comrade?

You don't have to be fragile to be negatively affected by American-enforced sanctions.

Marx defined communism as:

" Communism (from Latin communis, 'common, universal')[1][2] is a far-left[3][4][5] philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose goal is the establishment of a communist society, namely a socioeconomic order based on the idea of common ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange—allocating products to everyone in the society.[6][7][8] It also involves the absence of social classes, money,[9] and the state "

Source:

Communism - Wikipedia​

The original primitive communism of our ancestors is defined by Marx as primitive, due to its material conditions. it is stateless, without socioeconomic classes or money. High communism is high-tech, requiring advance technology, hence it is in our future. Like primitive communism it is also stateless, without socioeconomic classes or money. There has never been a communist state, but there have been and there are today, socialist states. The USSR was the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. The word "communist" is not there. It's oxymoronic to identify a state as communists, because communism is stateless. Socialism is the process that leads to high-communism.