Giuliani exclusive: What Trump told me right after FBI raid

[sealybobo]

he didn’t refuse. The facts show you are lying again

when you resort to ignoring reality and lying that’s how i know you have nothing.

keep defending the indefensible. you sound like a good little german back in the 1930s

He didn't refuse? Well, he didn't return them either. What date was he raided? How long did you want us to give him to hold top secret information?

 

[struth]

I didn't know Obama had a room and I sure as hell didn't know he was holding stuff that was labeled with the highest classification markings, meant for review only in secure government facilities.

We know Trump did this. You claim Obama did. But you're known to be a liar. Or someone who unknowingly spreads lies.

yep he had a room at his private home, so did other presidents

the big difference is trump didn’t use that fact to raid obamas home, because he’s not a stalinist like xiden and the current demafasict in power

 

[sealybobo]

Link?

The more we learn about the glorified country club’s security, the easier it is to understand why the Justice Department was worried about Trump's stash.

FBI reportedly examines yet another Mar-a-Lago security breakdown

The more we learn about the glorified country club’s security, the easier it is to understand why the Justice Department was worried about Trump's stash.

www.msnbc.com

 

[struth]

Link?

he’s just a dembot, that can’t help but attack the career civil servants at the Secret Service…why? because they put their job ahead of the demafasict party

 

[struth]

I also heard that the stuff Trump took was labeled with the highest classification markings, meant for review only in secure government facilities.

I also heard Trump made it a felony to do what he did. What an idiot. He must have thought he's above the law.

well the president can’t unilaterally make things felonies…so beyond that obvious idiotic propaganda you heard…you are really missing a lot

 

[BackAgain]

I give it a week until we hear Trump say: "My personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, told me I could take and keep Top Secret documents, in a barely secured place within my home."

Ok. That’s what you will give it.

 

[sealybobo]

yep he had a room at his private home, so did other presidents

the big difference is trump didn’t use that fact to raid obamas home, because he’s not a stalinist like xiden and the current demafasict in power

What other presidents held top secret shit in their homes? I'm sure you are lying

The National Archives recovered 15 boxes of materials from former President Donald Trump’s time in office. Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, claimed that the law allowed Trump to “take documents when he left the White House.” But a former president isn’t allowed to take possession of official records, which Trump has said these are.

Yea, and no one said lock him up when Trump used his private email to do official business either.

But experts say your claim is, at best, very misleading, bordering on false.

Here’s why:

The Presidential Records Act, or PRA, governs the maintenance of presidential records. It was passed in 1978, after former President Richard Nixon sought to destroy recordings made in the White House that documented activities related to the Watergate scandal, David S. Ferriero, archivist of the United States who is in charge of NARA, explained in a 2017 publication for the National Archives.

When a president leaves office, the archivist takes custody of the records from that administration and is responsible for their preservation and for providing access to the public, according to a Congressional Research Service report.

“The Presidential Records Act requires that all records created by presidents be turned over to the National Archives at the end of their administrations,” NARA said in its Jan. 31 statement.

Jason R. Baron, a professor at the University of Maryland and former director of litigation at NARA, cited the PRA when we asked him to evaluate Fitton’s claim. The PRA was “enacted to ensure that the American people — not the president — own records created or received by a president when in office,” he told us by email.

“A president has no legal right to tear up, shred, or otherwise dispose of copies of records that he creates or receives while in office (including his own notes or annotations on documents concerning official business),” Baron said.

He noted that the PRA allows a sitting president to dispose of official records only after consulting with the archivist.

Baron also said that a president doesn’t have “the right to decide for himself that he will take boxes containing presidential records to his own residence after he leaves office, even if it is allegedly for the purpose of transferring them to a presidential library.”

“The PRA specifies that upon the conclusion of a president’s time in office, the Archivist assumes legal control of presidential records, and the Archivist alone is empowered to decide where those records will be housed,” Baron said.

Kel McClanahan, a professor at the George Washington University Law School and executive director of the public interest law firm National Security Counselors, had a similar but slightly different take.

He honed in on an issue that was also noted in the CRS report, which cited Ferriero’s 2017 article. The report explained that the PRA allows for personal records to be classified separately from official presidential records and that “the President has a high degree of discretion over what materials are to be preserved under the PRA.”

So, McClanahan said, Fitton technically has a point when saying, “A president has discretion on what docs to retain as presidential records while in office.”

But, in this case, that’s a moot point, since both NARA and Trump have referred to the recently recovered material as official presidential records.

Trump issued a statement on Feb. 10 saying that some of the materials would eventually be displayed in his presidential library. “It was a great honor to work with NARA to help formally preserve the Trump Legacy,” the statement said.

So, given Trump’s acknowledgement that the materials were designated as presidential records under the PRA, it would appear to be a violation to leave office with them.

“Bottom line,” McClanahan said, “if Trump believed these were presidential records, he couldn’t freely take them with him as Fitton said. And if he didn’t believe they were presidential records, then they wouldn’t go in his Presidential Library as Trump claimed. So either Fitton or Trump can be speaking truthfully, but not both.”

McClanahan also noted that Fitton wasn’t specific about which law he was talking about. The destruction of presidential records could be a violation of two other federal laws that protect records and other government property, he said.

We reached out to Judicial Watch for clarification, but we didn’t hear back.

The Washington Post, which was the first news outlet to report on the boxes recovered from Mar-a-Lago, noted that all recent presidential administrations have had some PRA violations, although most have involved the use of unofficial email accounts and phones.

In a statement addressing the current situation, Ferriero said, “NARA pursues the return of records whenever we learn that records have been improperly removed or have not been appropriately transferred to official accounts.”

NARA had worked with representatives for Trump over the course of 2021 to find records that hadn’t been transferred, according to a statement from the administration. In December, one of those representatives identified the recently recovered boxes and “NARA arranged for them to be securely transported to Washington,” the statement says.

 

[sealybobo]

well the president can’t unilaterally make things felonies…so beyond that obvious idiotic propaganda you heard…you are really missing a lot

No he can't. But he still made what he did a felony.



Oddly enough, one of the multiple laws covering the mishandling of government information is one that Trump himself amended during his tenure in the Oval Office, as pointed out by Tennessee state Sen. Jeff Yarbro(D) on Twitter.
Tucked into a bill Trump signed into law in January 2018 was a provision increasing the punishment for knowingly removing classified materials with the intent to retain them at an “unauthorized location.”

Previously, someone found guilty of this crime could face up to one year in prison.
Now, a person convicted of violating this law can face up to five years in prison ― making it a felony-level offense to mishandle classified documents under 18 U.S.C. 1924.

 

[struth]

What other presidents held top secret shit in their homes? I'm sure you are lying

The National Archives recovered 15 boxes of materials from former President Donald Trump’s time in office. Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch, claimed that the law allowed Trump to “take documents when he left the White House.” But a former president isn’t allowed to take possession of official records, which Trump has said these are.

Yea, and no one said lock him up when Trump used his private email to do official business either.

But experts say your claim is, at best, very misleading, bordering on false.

Here’s why:

The Presidential Records Act, or PRA, governs the maintenance of presidential records. It was passed in 1978, after former President Richard Nixon sought to destroy recordings made in the White House that documented activities related to the Watergate scandal, David S. Ferriero, archivist of the United States who is in charge of NARA, explained in a 2017 publication for the National Archives.

When a president leaves office, the archivist takes custody of the records from that administration and is responsible for their preservation and for providing access to the public, according to a Congressional Research Service report.

“The Presidential Records Act requires that all records created by presidents be turned over to the National Archives at the end of their administrations,” NARA said in its Jan. 31 statement.

Jason R. Baron, a professor at the University of Maryland and former director of litigation at NARA, cited the PRA when we asked him to evaluate Fitton’s claim. The PRA was “enacted to ensure that the American people — not the president — own records created or received by a president when in office,” he told us by email.

“A president has no legal right to tear up, shred, or otherwise dispose of copies of records that he creates or receives while in office (including his own notes or annotations on documents concerning official business),” Baron said.

He noted that the PRA allows a sitting president to dispose of official records only after consulting with the archivist.

Baron also said that a president doesn’t have “the right to decide for himself that he will take boxes containing presidential records to his own residence after he leaves office, even if it is allegedly for the purpose of transferring them to a presidential library.”

“The PRA specifies that upon the conclusion of a president’s time in office, the Archivist assumes legal control of presidential records, and the Archivist alone is empowered to decide where those records will be housed,” Baron said.

Kel McClanahan, a professor at the George Washington University Law School and executive director of the public interest law firm National Security Counselors, had a similar but slightly different take.

He honed in on an issue that was also noted in the CRS report, which cited Ferriero’s 2017 article. The report explained that the PRA allows for personal records to be classified separately from official presidential records and that “the President has a high degree of discretion over what materials are to be preserved under the PRA.”

So, McClanahan said, Fitton technically has a point when saying, “A president has discretion on what docs to retain as presidential records while in office.”

But, in this case, that’s a moot point, since both NARA and Trump have referred to the recently recovered material as official presidential records.

Trump issued a statement on Feb. 10 saying that some of the materials would eventually be displayed in his presidential library. “It was a great honor to work with NARA to help formally preserve the Trump Legacy,” the statement said.

So, given Trump’s acknowledgement that the materials were designated as presidential records under the PRA, it would appear to be a violation to leave office with them.

“Bottom line,” McClanahan said, “if Trump believed these were presidential records, he couldn’t freely take them with him as Fitton said. And if he didn’t believe they were presidential records, then they wouldn’t go in his Presidential Library as Trump claimed. So either Fitton or Trump can be speaking truthfully, but not both.”

McClanahan also noted that Fitton wasn’t specific about which law he was talking about. The destruction of presidential records could be a violation of two other federal laws that protect records and other government property, he said.

We reached out to Judicial Watch for clarification, but we didn’t hear back.

The Washington Post, which was the first news outlet to report on the boxes recovered from Mar-a-Lago, noted that all recent presidential administrations have had some PRA violations, although most have involved the use of unofficial email accounts and phones.

In a statement addressing the current situation, Ferriero said, “NARA pursues the return of records whenever we learn that records have been improperly removed or have not been appropriately transferred to official accounts.”

NARA had worked with representatives for Trump over the course of 2021 to find records that hadn’t been transferred, according to a statement from the administration. In December, one of those representatives identified the recently recovered boxes and “NARA arranged for them to be securely transported to Washington,” the statement says.

obama, bush 2, all had these rooms set up at their private resident.

Xiden might not, since let’s face it, he’s not doing much

 

[struth]

No he can't. But he still made what he did a felony.



Oddly enough, one of the multiple laws covering the mishandling of government information is one that Trump himself amended during his tenure in the Oval Office, as pointed out by Tennessee state Sen. Jeff Yarbro(D) on Twitter.
Tucked into a bill Trump signed into law in January 2018 was a provision increasing the punishment for knowingly removing classified materials with the intent to retain them at an “unauthorized location.”

Previously, someone found guilty of this crime could face up to one year in prison.
Now, a person convicted of violating this law can face up to five years in prison ― making it a felony-level offense to mishandle classified documents under 18 U.S.C. 1924.

you said kit he can’t then said he did? haha

what?

The law you are sitting was changed by congress and has nothing to do with the current situation

 

[sealybobo]

yep he had a room at his private home, so did other presidents

the big difference is trump didn’t use that fact to raid obamas home, because he’s not a stalinist like xiden and the current demafasict in power

Do you want to know the difference between what Trump did and what "other presidents" have done?

Fact Check: Did Barack Obama Illegally Take 30 Million Pages of Documents to Chicago?

Fact checking Trump and his supporters' new line of whataboutism to defend and distract after the FBI searched the former president's Florida property as part of an ongoing criminal investigation

people.com

The facts reveal why the two presidents' actions aren't comparable​

It's true that Obama White House records made their way to Chicago at the end of his second term. But the process of transferring the documents was done in cooperation with the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), which legally owns those records under the Presidential Records Act.

So Obama did it the right way and Trump did not. And Trump made doing it the wrong way a felony.

Rather than store the Obama records in a physical presidential library owned by the NARA as many of his predecessors have done, the Obama Foundation worked with the agency to digitize unclassified records.


Touted as a "new partnership for the digital age," the digitization process was outlined in an agreement between the National Archives and the Obama Foundation.


"The Parties agree that the Digitization Project will at all times be performed in accordance with the requirements of the Presidential Records Act (PRA) and other applicable federal law, and for the purpose of making the records more accessible to historians and the public pursuant to that Act," reads the agreement, which also explicitly states that the National Archives owns the Obama records and that they're held at a Chicago-area facility controlled by the agency.


There is no evidence that Obama or his foundation did anything illegal in handling his presidential records, as NARA clarified in a statement released to PEOPLE Friday.


So anyone who's comparing what Trump did to what Obama did doesn't know what they are talking about.

 

[struth]

Do you want to know the difference between what Trump did and what "other presidents" have done?

Fact Check: Did Barack Obama Illegally Take 30 Million Pages of Documents to Chicago?

Fact checking Trump and his supporters' new line of whataboutism to defend and distract after the FBI searched the former president's Florida property as part of an ongoing criminal investigation

people.com

The facts reveal why the two presidents' actions aren't comparable​

It's true that Obama White House records made their way to Chicago at the end of his second term. But the process of transferring the documents was done in cooperation with the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), which legally owns those records under the Presidential Records Act.

So Obama did it the right way and Trump did not. And Trump made doing it the wrong way a felony.

Rather than store the Obama records in a physical presidential library owned by the NARA as many of his predecessors have done, the Obama Foundation worked with the agency to digitize unclassified records.


Touted as a "new partnership for the digital age," the digitization process was outlined in an agreement between the National Archives and the Obama Foundation.


"The Parties agree that the Digitization Project will at all times be performed in accordance with the requirements of the Presidential Records Act (PRA) and other applicable federal law, and for the purpose of making the records more accessible to historians and the public pursuant to that Act," reads the agreement, which also explicitly states that the National Archives owns the Obama records and that they're held at a Chicago-area facility controlled by the agency.


There is no evidence that Obama or his foundation did anything illegal in handling his presidential records, as NARA clarified in a statement released to PEOPLE Friday.


So anyone who's comparing what Trump did to what Obama did doesn't know what they are talking about.

well that’s one president

i don’t disagree that trump needed to follow the PRA and didn’t, but that’s not a crime, and he was also actively working with. rhe NARA to make sure they got what they needed.

further highlighting how this was a stalinist raid

 

[Dragonlady]

Well now, they can say whatever they want on that form can’t they? You only believe it because of your inherent bias.

Deny, deny, deny. No matter what Trump does, it's never wrong, illegal, or even a bad idea.

Trump hasn't denied having ANY of these things at all. In fact, he's basically confirmed it all to be true. He just says they should have asked for the stuff back. It was wrong to search his "home".

But no one has provided a reason for him to have taken any of this stuff in the first place. Especially the super secret stuff he had no authority to declassify.

 

[Magnus]

I give it a week until we hear Trump say: "My personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, told me I could take and keep Top Secret documents, in a barely secured place within my home."

Poor Rudy is still awaiting a check for services rendered. Little does he know that the only reward he is going to get is to be thrown under an orange bus!

 

[struth]

Deny, deny, deny. No matter what Trump does, it's never wrong, illegal, or even a bad idea.

Trump hasn't denied having ANY of these things at all. In fact, he's basically confirmed it all to be true. He just says they should have asked for the stuff back. It was wrong to search his "home".

But no one has provided a reason for him to have taken any of this stuff in the first place. Especially the super secret stuff he had no authority to declassify.

no it was clearly wrong to have them, he wasn’t in compliance with the PRA. With that said, that’s not a crime. moreover he was working with them to give them what they wanted and to ensure he keep his personal items

what is far worse though is that none of that justified the stalinist raid of a political rival

 

[j-mac]

Deny, deny, deny. No matter what Trump does, it's never wrong, illegal, or even a bad idea.

Trump hasn't denied having ANY of these things at all. In fact, he's basically confirmed it all to be true. He just says they should have asked for the stuff back. It was wrong to search his "home".

But no one has provided a reason for him to have taken any of this stuff in the first place. Especially the super secret stuff he had no authority to declassify.

Look here Canuk, the President has the sole authority to declassify anything he wishes...You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[sealybobo]

well that’s one president

i don’t disagree that trump needed to follow the PRA and didn’t, but that’s not a crime, and he was also actively working with. rhe NARA to make sure they got what they needed.

further highlighting how this was a stalinist raid

BULL SHIT!!!

The argument, "every president does it" is bullshit. Every president does it the right way. And you already know we don't trust Trump as far as we can throw him. So here is another situation where he thinks he can break the law and get away with it.

And yes, it is a crime. Trump made it a crime.

Tucked into a bill Trump signed into law in January 2018 was a provision increasing the punishment for knowingly removing classified materials with the intent to retain them at an “unauthorized location.”

Previously, someone found guilty of this crime could face up to one year in prison. When former CIA Director David Petraeus was charged in 2015 with mishandling classified data, he pleaded guilty under this statute to avoid a felony charge, as Politico pointed out. A similar situation unfolded a decade earlier, when former national security adviser Samuel Berger pleaded guiltyto removing terrorism-related materials from the National Archives in 2005.

Now, a person convicted of violating this law can face up to five years in prison ― making it a felony-level offense to mishandle classified documents under 18 U.S.C. 1924.

Could 2018 Trump have unknowingly put 2022 Trump in a tough spot?

 

[struth]

BULL SHIT!!!

The argument, "every president does it" is bullshit. Every president does it the right way. And you already know we don't trust Trump as far as we can throw him. So here is another situation where he thinks he can break the law and get away with it.

And yes, it is a crime. Trump made it a crime.

Tucked into a bill Trump signed into law in January 2018 was a provision increasing the punishment for knowingly removing classified materials with the intent to retain them at an “unauthorized location.”

Previously, someone found guilty of this crime could face up to one year in prison. When former CIA Director David Petraeus was charged in 2015 with mishandling classified data, he pleaded guilty under this statute to avoid a felony charge, as Politico pointed out. A similar situation unfolded a decade earlier, when former national security adviser Samuel Berger pleaded guiltyto removing terrorism-related materials from the National Archives in 2005.

Now, a person convicted of violating this law can face up to five years in prison ― making it a felony-level offense to mishandle classified documents under 18 U.S.C. 1924.

Could 2018 Trump have unknowingly put 2022 Trump in a tough spot?

no violated the PRA is not a crime

 

[sealybobo]

Deny, deny, deny. No matter what Trump does, it's never wrong, illegal, or even a bad idea.

Trump hasn't denied having ANY of these things at all. In fact, he's basically confirmed it all to be true. He just says they should have asked for the stuff back. It was wrong to search his "home".

But no one has provided a reason for him to have taken any of this stuff in the first place. Especially the super secret stuff he had no authority to declassify.

I've asked why Trump took these things and no one has answers. They are sure it was all legal and on the up and up but they don't have a clue why he took what he took.

Some of it he was going to sell to the Saudi's and Russians. Some of it he was going to shred because it was embarrassing to him. Or implicated him.

But yea, it really does piss me off that Trump can break the law and his defenders come out of the woodwork to say what he did wasn't wrong (lie) or that every president does it (lie) or the call was not illegal it was perfect.

He called Georgia and asked the Republicans in that state to FIND him more votes.

And he called the president of Ukraine and held up money unless he FOUND some dirt on his political opponent.

It seems Trump can't break laws because even when he does in front of our eyes, these Trump supporters will just tell us we didn't really see what we think we saw.

Then they go into whataboutism, even when they aren't comparing apples to apples.

I remember Republicans made up lies about Clinton. They said he took secrets and sold them to China.

Well, it looks to me like Trump took secrets and sold them to the Saudi's and Russians.

Why the Saudi's? They paid Jared Kushner $2 billion dollars. Republicans couldn't imagine that Hunter was worth $1 million dollar a year salary but they have no problems with the Saudi's paying Jared $2 billion. Not too long after Trump sold them nuclear technology.

 

[sealybobo]

no violated the PRA is not a crime

I don't know about PRA but I do know Trump made what he did a felony up to 5 years in prison.