um, what are you talking about? He had a complete hearing in 2019, he was ordered deported and lost his aslyum claim. He was even released from custody after that and given a chance to self deport, and instead engaged in gang activities, and abused his wife.
What makes the details of the Garcia case a state secret?
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We are still trying to know why the assailants tried to kill Trump twice. That Cracker Jack corrupted deep state government we have with most Progs wanting Trump dead, well that is just what passes for the norm now. The real despot state.
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Already ruled so in courts
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His knuckle tattoos prove his allegiance.
His record of wife beating and human trafficking corroborate it.
And the fact that the El Salvadorian government, his own people and a close ally of America, agree, that's good enough for me.
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Judge Paula Xinis, who is overseeing the proceeding, pressed Mr. Guynn at the hearing on Friday about the administration’s latest efforts to avoid disclosing details about several key aspects of the case. Those include the diplomatic steps that Trump officials have taken in the past several weeks toward releasing Mr. Abrego Garcia, as well as the nature of the deal between the White House and the Salvadoran government to house deported immigrants in its jails.
The Justice Department has argued that many of those details should not be made public because they amount to state secrets. But Judge Xinis cast doubt on those assertions, suggesting that department lawyers had not yet given her sufficient briefing to determine whether the government’s efforts to free Mr. Abrego Garcia from El Salvador should be considered sensitive national security information.
The judge also took the administration to task for yet again stonewalling her efforts to get to the bottom of how it has been dealing with the Supreme Court’s order to seek Mr. Abrego Garcia’s release.
Last month, she instructed the government to make four officials available for depositions and complained at Friday’s hearing that the depositions, “to varying degrees, were exercises of utter frustration.”
During a hearing that lasted more than three hours, Judge Xinis adopted an increasingly harsh tone as she reprimanded the government, including cutting Mr. Guynn off midsentence.
It was not the first time that Judge Xinis had chided the Trump administration for dragging its feet in providing information.
It's past time for the regime to held in contempt of court.
The Justice Department has argued that many of those details should not be made public because they amount to state secrets. But Judge Xinis cast doubt on those assertions, suggesting that department lawyers had not yet given her sufficient briefing to determine whether the government’s efforts to free Mr. Abrego Garcia from El Salvador should be considered sensitive national security information.
The judge also took the administration to task for yet again stonewalling her efforts to get to the bottom of how it has been dealing with the Supreme Court’s order to seek Mr. Abrego Garcia’s release.
Last month, she instructed the government to make four officials available for depositions and complained at Friday’s hearing that the depositions, “to varying degrees, were exercises of utter frustration.”
During a hearing that lasted more than three hours, Judge Xinis adopted an increasingly harsh tone as she reprimanded the government, including cutting Mr. Guynn off midsentence.
It was not the first time that Judge Xinis had chided the Trump administration for dragging its feet in providing information.
It's past time for the regime to held in contempt of court.
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All that the US government can do is to politely ask El Salvador to release one of their own citizen gangbangers doing time.
Does Xinis expect President Trump to send the Green Fucking Berets to break MS 13 guys out of the joint in a foreign country?
Trump can ask ElSalvador to return him. Trump said on a live tv interview that he could get ElSalvador to return him, (he just hasn't)
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That's not all the US can do.
#1 Suspend payments of the $6,000,000 that the US is paying to house the prisoners in US taxpayer funded custody.
#2 Impose a 100% tarrif on all goods imported from El Salvador.
#3 Impose a 100% excise tax on all good exported to El Salvador.
#4 Place El Salvador on the a Department of State No Travel list and suspend all direct flights between El Salvador/US.
#5 Suspend the issuance of tourist Visa's to anyone with an El Salvadoran passport.
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No need for military action, but there are alternatives.
Those are just a few of the options, they are all done by the US and require nothing from El Salvador, except the return of US detainees as requested. If they choose to keep them in their human storage facility, the choice is still theirs.
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El Salvador is a safe, friendly country, one of America's closest allies. Further, I can't see Congress passing all of those penalties against them.
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We have a Unitary President remember remember, he can do anything he wants.
He doesn't need no stinking Congress. Just issue an EO. Then let people fight it out in the courts for a couple of years. That's the current Trump Admin blitzkrieg model.
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These kinds of sanctions would cause the fall of El Salvador to the libs.
If a new liberal dictator in El Salvador nation decides to close down CECOT and ship all of the inmates to the USA, will you be pleased?
Or would you blame Trump?
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Why would El Salvador attemp to ship "all of the inmates to the USA"?
The only need is for them - upon request - to return those detainees that the US is paying for. They can keep the rest.
I blame Trump ONLY for those removed to a 3rd world country concentration camp paid for by US taxpayers with out due process, without access to family, without access to legal counsel, and without access to US courts. Those that El Salvador have detained in their own country and imprisoned on their own violation are on them, not on us.
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The people being shipped to El Salvador are illegals,who have no business to be in the USA.
CECOT is a clean, orderly penitentiary that keeps the worst of the worst secure.
Where would you suggest that America hold these gangsters, and what would you suggest be cut from the budget to pay for it?
No prisoner in CECOT has left CECOT unless they were in a casket!! Yeah, it's a rosy and peachy place, for certain!
The U.S., backed by our Constitution, does not incarcerate and imprison people and remove a person's liberty, without the accused getting a chance to defend themselves, in a fair and neutral court of law, and found guilty.....and that is called, due process.
Trump skirted the Constitution, by issuing an E/O declaring we were in a (convoluted) war with Venezuela, then said he was using the Wartime Alien Enemy Act, to sweep up alleged Venezuelans gang members, without notice or due process, and send them to an El Salvador prison KNOWN for torture, cruelty, and inhumane conditions, and paying ElSalvador to imprison them there for us....
Trump believes he can legally skirt our Constitutional requirement for due process or even Habeas Corpus, under the Alien Enemy Act.
This is what is working its way through the courts now.
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The MS13 tattoo on his hand was photoshopped, it's a hoax. The wife beating and trafficking allegations lack any credible evidence. His deportation on the suspicion of being a gang member lacked due process and therefore was illegal. You're full of shit.
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So you admit that it was an MS 13 tattoo that was shown, but it wasn't on Abrego Garcia's hands?
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The departments of Justice, Homeland Security and State have acknowledged that Abrego Garcia was improperly deported to El Salvador in March, in violation of a 2019 court order that found he could be violently persecuted by a local gang there. The Supreme Court declared the deportation “illegal” and upheld Xinis’ command to facilitate his release. But the administration has sharply resisted.
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The MS13 tattoo on his hand was photoshopped, it's a hoax.
Experts cast doubt on Trump's claim that Abrego Garcia's finger tattoos prove MS-13 membership
Gang experts and researchers said that while tattoos could carry gang-related meaning, they aren't enough to prove gang membership.
www.cbsnews.com
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