What makes the details of the Garcia case a state secret?

[struth]

Judge Paula Xinis, who is overseeing the proceeding, pressed Mr. Guynn at the hearing on Friday about the administration’s latest efforts to avoid disclosing details about several key aspects of the case. Those include the diplomatic steps that Trump officials have taken in the past several weeks toward releasing Mr. Abrego Garcia, as well as the nature of the deal between the White House and the Salvadoran government to house deported immigrants in its jails.

The Justice Department has argued that many of those details should not be made public because they amount to state secrets. But Judge Xinis cast doubt on those assertions, suggesting that department lawyers had not yet given her sufficient briefing to determine whether the government’s efforts to free Mr. Abrego Garcia from El Salvador should be considered sensitive national security information.

The judge also took the administration to task for yet again stonewalling her efforts to get to the bottom of how it has been dealing with the Supreme Court’s order to seek Mr. Abrego Garcia’s release.

Last month, she instructed the government to make four officials available for depositions and complained at Friday’s hearing that the depositions, “to varying degrees, were exercises of utter frustration.”

During a hearing that lasted more than three hours, Judge Xinis adopted an increasingly harsh tone as she reprimanded the government, including cutting Mr. Guynn off midsentence.

It was not the first time that Judge Xinis had chided the Trump administration for dragging its feet in providing information.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/16/us/politics/doj-trump-deportation-abrego-garcia.html

It's past time for the regime to held in contempt of court.

Hasn’t this court been over turned a lot?

 

[struth]

The MS13 tattoo on his hand was photoshopped, it's a hoax.

Experts cast doubt on Trump's claim that Abrego Garcia's finger tattoos prove MS-13 membership

Gang experts and researchers said that while tattoos could carry gang-related meaning, they aren't enough to prove gang membership.

www.cbsnews.com

I don’t know or care, what I do know is he isn’t a citizen of the United States and was here illegally

And I know that he beat his wife, and was at least associated with a terrorist organation

And that’s who you support

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The MS13 tattoo on his hand was photoshopped, it's a hoax. The wife beating and trafficking allegations lack any credible evidence. His deportation on the suspicion of being a gang member lacked due process and therefore was illegal. You're full of shit.

The MS13 tattoo on his hand was photoshopped, it's a hoax.

The tattoo was real. The MS-13 above the real tattoo was photoshopped.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The MS13 tattoo on his hand was photoshopped, it's a hoax.

Experts cast doubt on Trump's claim that Abrego Garcia's finger tattoos prove MS-13 membership

Gang experts and researchers said that while tattoos could carry gang-related meaning, they aren't enough to prove gang membership.

www.cbsnews.com

Oh no!
The violent illegal alien was deported.
How sad.

 

[WEATHER53]

Oh no!
The violent illegal alien was deported.
How sad.

Voting block gone

 

[Nostra]

Judge to Press Trump Administration Over Return of Wrongly Deported Man​

On Friday, lawyers for the Justice Department are scheduled to appear in Federal District Court in Maryland to defend their latest effort to avoid disclosing details about several key aspects of the proceeding. Those include the diplomatic steps that officials have taken in the past few weeks toward releasing Mr. Abrego Garcia, as well as the nature of the deal between the White House and the Salvadoran government to house deported immigrants in its jails.

The Justice Department has argued that many of those details should not be made public because they amount to state secrets. In fact, in a declaration filed last week mostly under seal, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said that the disclosure of such material “could be expected to cause significant harm to the foreign relations and national security interests of the United States.”

Lawyers for Mr. Abrego Garcia have scoffed at the idea that the government’s efforts to free their client from El Salvador should be considered a state secret, especially given that Mr. Trump and some of his top aides have been talking publicly about the man for weeks.

“On its face, there is little reason to believe that compliance with a court order to facilitate the release and return of a single mistakenly removed individual so that he can get his day in court implicates state secrets at all,” the lawyers wrote in a court filing this week. “No military or intelligence operations are involved, and it defies reason to imagine that the United States’ relationship with El Salvador would be endangered by any effort to seek the return of a wrongfully deported person who the government admits never should have been removed to El Salvador in the first place.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/16/us/politics/doj-trump-deportation-abrego-garcia.html

It's not so much the details of the case are legitimate state secrets as the regime wants to keep the details a secret. Why? In all likelihood because they will reveal the degree to which the regime defied Boasberg's order blocking the deportation flight Garcia was on.

I'm afraid Little Marco was right 9 years ago and never should have sold his soul for a little power.

DALLAS — Marco Rubio on Friday unleashed a full-frontal assault against Donald Trump, blasting him as a "con artist" who is hijacking the conservative movement and mercilessly mocking Trump's alpha-male status.

At a rally here, the U.S. senator from Florida unveiled what amounted to his most comprehensive — and scathing — critique of Trump yet, declaring it "time to pull off his mask so that people can see what we are dealing with here."

"He is a con artist," Rubio said. "He runs on this idea he is fighting for the little guy, but he has spent his entire career sticking it to the little guy — his entire career."

Rubio Eviscerates "Con Artist" Donald Trump

In Dallas, Marco Rubio on Friday unleashed a full-frontal assault against Donald Trump, blasting him as a "con artist" who is hijacking the conservative movement and mercilessly mocking Trump's alpha-male status.

www.texastribune.org

Terrorist’s lawyer sez what?

 

[Polishprince]

That's not all the US can do.

#1 Suspend payments of the $6,000,000 that the US is paying to house the prisoners in US taxpayer funded custody.

#2 Impose a 100% tarrif on all goods imported from El Salvador.

#3 Impose a 100% excise tax on all good exported to El Salvador.

#4 Place El Salvador on the a Department of State No Travel list and suspend all direct flights between El Salvador/US.

#5 Suspend the issuance of tourist Visa's to anyone with an El Salvadoran passport.
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No need for military action, but there are alternatives.

Those are just a few of the options, they are all done by the US and require nothing from El Salvador, except the return of US detainees as requested. If they choose to keep them in their human storage facility, the choice is still theirs.

WW

When is Judge Xinis going to order President Trump to do all of that?

Just a vague order about "facilitating" Abrego Garcia's return to the US and nothing concrete.

 

[Seymour Flops]

When is Judge Xinis going to order President Trump to do all of that?

Just a vague order about "facilitating" Abrego Garcia's return to the US and nothing concrete.

Correct.

The USSC ordered Xinis to clarify what she meant by "affectuate" and she has not complied.

I guess Democrat judges feel they are above the law, even the law of the Supreme Court.

 

[WorldWatcher]

When is Judge Xinis going to order President Trump to do all of that?

Just a vague order about "facilitating" Abrego Garcia's return to the US and nothing concrete.

Move the goal post often?

What you said was: "All that the US government can do ..."

I showed you options that the US Government has.

Now you shift to Xinis.



WW

 

[Polishprince]

Move the goal post often?

What you said was: "All that the US government can do ..."

I showed you options that the US Government has.

Now you shift to Xinis.



WW

The point is that she didn't order any specific action, like you suggested.

So expecting this knowledge to make it to President Trump by telepathy I guess?

 

[WorldWatcher]

The point is that she didn't order any specific action, like you suggested.

So expecting this knowledge to make it to President Trump by telepathy I guess?

I never suggested she made such an order.

You said: ""All that the US government can do ...".

I showed you options that the government has. Whether they exercise them or not is a different question, they are available.

WW

 

[Seymour Flops]

That's not all the US can do.

#1 Suspend payments of the $6,000,000 that the US is paying to house the prisoners in US taxpayer funded custody.

#2 Impose a 100% tarrif on all goods imported from El Salvador.

#3 Impose a 100% excise tax on all good exported to El Salvador.

#4 Place El Salvador on the a Department of State No Travel list and suspend all direct flights between El Salvador/US.

#5 Suspend the issuance of tourist Visa's to anyone with an El Salvadoran passport.
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.
.
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No need for military action, but there are alternatives.

Those are just a few of the options, they are all done by the US and require nothing from El Salvador, except the return of US detainees as requested. If they choose to keep them in their human storage facility, the choice is still theirs.

WW

Is that an appropriate amount of effort and expense to put into forcing a sovreign nation to surrender one of its citizens to the United States? Especially one who trafficked humans, beat his wife and consorted with gang members?

It seems like the worst kind of Anglo-American centristic post-colonial colonialism.

#5 in particular would prevent El Salvadorans with real actual reason to need to leave the U.S. from coming here legally and then applying for assylum.

Why are Democrats so much in love with Kilmar?

 

[Polishprince]

I never suggested she made such an order.

You said: ""All that the US government can do ...".

I showed you options that the government has. Whether they exercise them or not is a different question, they are available.

WW

The government is going to do any of those things, however, unless and until they are actually ordered is the point.

But the judge refuses to give any suggestions or order on what she expects President Trump to do.

So there is no way that Trump can comply in reality. No matter what he does, he isn't in "compliance" with the directives of the minor judiciary in his conduct of foreign relations.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The government is going to do any of those things, however, unless and until they are actually ordered is the point.

But the judge refuses to give any suggestions or order on what she expects President Trump to do.

So there is no way that Trump can comply in reality. No matter what he does, he isn't in "compliance" with the directives of the minor judiciary in his conduct of foreign relations.

"The government is going to do any of those things, however, unless and until they are actually ordered is the point."

Trump won't always be "the government".

I agreed that Abrego Garcia will sit an an El Salvadoran concentration camp for the next few years. It will likely be the next administration that will have to fix Trump's error and in addition it will cost taxpayers millions when he wins his civil suit for kidnapping and unlawful detention without access to his habeas corpus rights.

WW

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"The government is going to do any of those things, however, unless and until they are actually ordered is the point."

Trump won't always be "the government".

I agreed that Abrego Garcia will sit an an El Salvadoran concentration camp for the next few years. It will likely be the next administration that will have to fix Trump's error and in addition it will cost taxpayers millions when he wins his civil suit for kidnapping and unlawful detention without access to his habeas corpus rights.

WW

No habeas corpus for deported illegal aliens in their home country.

 

[WorldWatcher]

No habeas corpus for deported illegal aliens in their home country.

The Venezuelams and Guatemalans send to an El Salvadoran human storage facility are not in their home country.

WW

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Venezuelams and Guatemalans send to an El Salvadoran human storage facility are not in their home country.

WW

That's a shame.