German Tourists Deported From US for Not Booking Hotel

[krichton]

Two reasons come to mind quickly: So they can apply for the right visas and come back to the U.S. Because nobody likes to admit they lied.

They had the right visas. They had the "wrong" visas in order to "work." See how that works? One fake trumped up charge justifies every other that follows it, in order to lock you up, strip search you then deport you on taxpayer dime.

That sentence makes it sound like CBP is doing their jobs for a big change from last administration when they were not allowed to. Throwing in the word "mob" doesn't change that.

The gestapo also did the will of Hitler. It makes them no less accountable.

They were treated like any other undesireable visitor. This probably happens to middle-eastern, African, and Latin Americans far more frequently. Why does the media and you make such a bid deal out of it when it is two German girls?

I've spoken out about those as well.

They have a right to detain people who enter the country without the correct visas and send them home if they raise suspicioun. There is not "right" to a visa.

Not booking a hotel is not a reason to strip search anyone. Again, they had the right visas but all CBP has to claim is that you were intending to work, which invalidates your visas automatically if you're on tourist visas or whatever.

I don't know, but we are far safer than under the previous aministration's open border days. You advocate returning to that?

Who are we safe from? Teenage girls from Germany?

Cute.

I'd happily sponsor them to be au pairs for me, and I'd make damn sure their paperwork was correct.

Because our visa regulations even apply to the cute.

Which is why they had the right ones to enter.

 

[Seymour Flops]

They had the right visas. They had the "wrong" visas in order to "work." See how that works? One fake trumped up charge justifies every other that follows it, in order to lock you up, strip search you then deport you on taxpayer dime.



The gestapo also did the will of Hitler. It makes them no less accountable.



I've spoken out about those as well.



Not booking a hotel is not a reason to strip search anyone. Again, they had the right visas but all CBP has to claim is that you were intending to work, which invalidates your visas automatically if you're on tourist visas or whatever.



Who are we safe from? Teenage girls from Germany?



Which is why they had the right ones to enter.

SIGH

You're making facts up, and ignoring real facts I've showed you.

One of them didn't even have a visa.

"These travelers were denied entry after attempting to enter the U.S. under false pretenses. One used a Visitor visa, the other the Visa Waiver Program," CBP Assistant Commissioner Hilton Beckham said in a statement. "Both claimed they were touring California but later admitted they intended to work – something strictly prohibited under U.S. immigration laws for these visas."
No, it is not just the evil Trump who does this, nor the evil United States.

It's not unusual for arriving visitors, or even permanent U.S. residents or citizens, to have to attest to their accommodations at the border. Other countries similarly require proof of lodging, or at least an address, on entry paperwork at the border.

I doubt the girls in your picture were the same girls. The real girls were pissed they got booted out so unceremoniously, but even they didn't say it was unlawful.

“It was all like a fever dream,” Lepere told Ostsee-Zeitung. “We had already noticed a little bit of what was going on in the U.S. But at the time, we didn't think it was happening to Germans. That was perhaps very naive. We felt so small and powerless.”

German teens detained and deported in Hawaii

Two German teenagers were denied entry into the U.S. and deported from Honolulu after failing to show proof of lodging.

www.usatoday.com

 

[krichton]

SIGH

You're making facts up, and ignoring real facts I've showed you.

There are no such thing as facts, when you have two completely conflicting statements, one from the two german tourists and one from CBP. One of which doesn't even establish a reasonable motive like coming to the US to work. There is no evidence to establish that last claim, no judge heard their case, no final judgement was made in the eyes of the law. Facts require proof.

One of them didn't even have a visa.

"These travelers were denied entry after attempting to enter the U.S. under false pretenses. One used a Visitor visa, the other the Visa Waiver Program," CBP Assistant Commissioner Hilton Beckham said in a statement. "Both claimed they were touring California but later admitted they intended to work – something strictly prohibited under U.S. immigration laws for these visas."
No, it is not just the evil Trump who does this, nor the evil United States.

What is so unusual or suspicious about traveling with a visa waiver? Millions of people do it all the time to other countries, including the US.

It's not unusual for arriving visitors, or even permanent U.S. residents or citizens, to have to attest to their accommodations at the border. Other countries similarly require proof of lodging, or at least an address, on entry paperwork at the border.

I doubt the girls in your picture were the same girls. The real girls were pissed they got booted out so unceremoniously, but even they didn't say it was unlawful.

“It was all like a fever dream,” Lepere told Ostsee-Zeitung. “We had already noticed a little bit of what was going on in the U.S. But at the time, we didn't think it was happening to Germans. That was perhaps very naive. We felt so small and powerless.”

German teens detained and deported in Hawaii

Two German teenagers were denied entry into the U.S. and deported from Honolulu after failing to show proof of lodging.

www.usatoday.com

Why would two german teens know anything of our laws to assume to make that claim, even if they thought it was unlawful in their own country?

It's literally reported everywhere with their photos. Here's a right wing news source you'lre more likely to believe

German teens traveling to US jailed and booted after loosely planned vacation deemed ‘suspicious’

Two German teenagers planning to explore the US on vacation were thrown in jail and then booted from the country after Customs and Border Protection found their loosely planned trip “suspicious.”…

nypost.com

Here's one from the UK

Tourists are being locked up and deported in the US – should you be worried?

A number of tourists have been detained upon arrival, but the risks for ordinary travellers would appear to be minimal

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Seymour Flops]

There are no such thing as facts, when you have two completely conflicting statements, one from the two german tourists and one from CBP.

What is the quote from the German tourists? In my USA today article, the didn't say that CBP was wrong. They just complained about being strip searched, which I'm sure was an unpleasant experience. They never said that they did not admit they were there to work.

That what I mean by making up facts. You assume that the girls contradicted the CBP, so that is a made up fact.

One of which doesn't even establish a reasonable motive like coming to the US to work. There is no evidence to establish that last claim, no judge heard their case, no final judgement was made in the eyes of the law. Facts require proof.



What is so unusual or suspicious about traveling with a visa waiver? Millions of people do it all the time to other countries, including the US.



Why would two german teens know anything of our laws to assume to make that claim, even if they thought it was unlawful in their own country?

It's literally reported everywhere with their photos. Here's a right wing news source you'lre more likely to believe

You're right, those are the girls. Cute, like I said.

But cuteness is no excuse to flout our laws, or even to mistakenly break them. After years of Team Autopen letting in Allah knows who, and literally thousands per day of unvetted, unknown, and unvaccinated "immigrants" the State Department has a responsibility to be cautious.

German teens traveling to US jailed and booted after loosely planned vacation deemed ‘suspicious’

Two German teenagers planning to explore the US on vacation were thrown in jail and then booted from the country after Customs and Border Protection found their loosely planned trip “suspicious.”…

nypost.com

Here is the only statement from the women in that article:

“They found it suspicious that we hadn’t fully booked our accommodations for the entire five weeks in Hawaii,” Pohl told the outlet.

That's what the CBP said, also. Where's the contridiction? Quote what they said, don't just make something up again.

Here's one from the UK

Tourists are being locked up and deported in the US – should you be worried?

A number of tourists have been detained upon arrival, but the risks for ordinary travellers would appear to be minimal

www.telegraph.co.uk

Sorry, not paying $29.

If you have a quote from the girls from an unrestricted source, I'll read it. If you're right, I'll say so, just like I said you were right about the picture. I'm not afraid to be wrong, but you making stuff up doesn't put me in the wrong.

You seem much more concerned about these wayward waifs than about any of the thousands who streamed across the border. Why don't you write to the girls, care of the news outlets, and offer them positions as au pairs? I'm sure they'd jump at it. Just make sure they get the right visa this time.

If you have anything else in mind, better look at a valid ID and check the birthday. Especially the one on the left of the picture.

Just out of curiousity, where do YOU think they intended to stay for several weeks?

 

[krichton]

What is the quote from the German tourists? In my USA today article, the didn't say that CBP was wrong. They just complained about being strip searched, which I'm sure was an unpleasant experience. They never said that they did not admit they were there to work.

That what I mean by making up facts. You assume that the girls contradicted the CBP, so that is a made up fact.

So the fact that they vehemently denied coming to Hawaii to "work" doesn't count in your mind? Them saying that CBP outright falsified their statements doesn't count?

German teens denied entry to US for traveling ‘under false pretenses’ and ‘intended to work’: Border Patrol

Maria Lepere and Charlotte Pohl, 18 and 19, arrived in Hawaii on March 18 with short-term travel permits ahead of weeks-long US trip.

www.aol.com

“They contained sentences we didn’t actually say,” Pohl said of interrogation transcripts they were sent home with.

“They twisted it to make it seem as if we admitted that we wanted to work illegally in the US,”

You're right, those are the girls. Cute, like I said.

But cuteness is no excuse to flout our laws, or even to mistakenly break them. After years of Team Autopen letting in Allah knows who, and literally thousands per day of unvetted, unknown, and unvaccinated "immigrants" the State Department has a responsibility to be cautious.


Here is the only statement from the women in that article:

“They found it suspicious that we hadn’t fully booked our accommodations for the entire five weeks in Hawaii,” Pohl told the outlet.

That's what the CBP said, also. Where's the contridiction? Quote what they said, don't just make something up again.

Is that a simple recounting of what CBP likely told them when they detained them, or an actual agreement with CBP that they were indeed "suspicious."

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Sorry, not paying $29.

If you have a quote from the girls from an unrestricted source, I'll read it. If you're right, I'll say so, just like I said you were right about the picture. I'm not afraid to be wrong, but you making stuff up doesn't put me in the wrong.

You seem much more concerned about these wayward waifs than about any of the thousands who streamed across the border. Why don't you write to the girls, care of the news outlets, and offer them positions as au pairs? I'm sure they'd jump at it. Just make sure they get the right visa this time.

If you have anything else in mind, better look at a valid ID and check the birthday. Especially the one on the left of the picture.

Just out of curiousity, where do YOU think they intended to stay for several weeks?

You don't have to read it, my point was just to show their photos from an additional news source.

No idea, but people with resources don't need to shop or book ahead of time, which might be the case here. They can just ask their taxi driver to bring them to the nearest 5 star hotel right from the airport. After 5 weeks in Hawaii they were going to go to LA and then Costa Rica. When they were deported they chose Tokyo Japan as their destination. These are not your average 18 year olds getting a $200 allowance every month. No need to ask where they'll be staying for 5 weeks in Hawaii. The answer is anywhere they want.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Deported for not having a prebooked hotel room. Two teenage girls planning to spend weeks and lots of money (it is Hawaii after all) exploring there before moving on to CONUS instead spent a few days in a detention center before being deported. I suppose they are lucky they aren't on their way to El Salvador or Guantanamo.

It's like the trump administration is trying to kill. the tourism industry.

German tourists deported from US for not booking hotel

Maria Lepère and Charlotte Pohl, both recent high school graduates, arrived in Hawaii hoping for the perfect holiday.

www.newsweek.com

It's ridiculous. They put such rules in place, but usually ignore them.

Now Trump wants to mess people over just to make himself feel good about himself.

 

[Seymour Flops]

So the fact that they vehemently denied coming to Hawaii to "work" doesn't count in your mind? Them saying that CBP outright falsified their statements doesn't count?

German teens denied entry to US for traveling ‘under false pretenses’ and ‘intended to work’: Border Patrol

Maria Lepere and Charlotte Pohl, 18 and 19, arrived in Hawaii on March 18 with short-term travel permits ahead of weeks-long US trip.

www.aol.com

“They contained sentences we didn’t actually say,” Pohl said of interrogation transcripts they were sent home with.

“They twisted it to make it seem as if we admitted that we wanted to work illegally in the US,”

Counts as what?

Sounds like it's CBP said one thing and they said another. How do you conclude that the girls are the truthful ones?

Is that a simple recounting of what CBP likely told them when they detained them, or an actual agreement with CBP that they were indeed "suspicious."

It is a recounting of what told them. Of course they would not agree that they were suspicious. Whoever admits that they are suspicious?

You don't have to read it, my point was just to show their photos from an additional news source.

Thank you.

No idea, but people with resources don't need to shop or book ahead of time, which might be the case here.

Might, or you have some reason to know that they are very wealthy?

They can just ask their taxi driver to bring them to the nearest 5 star hotel right from the airport. After 5 weeks in Hawaii they were going to go to LA and then Costa Rica. When they were deported they chose Tokyo Japan as their destination. These are not your average 18 year olds getting a $200 allowance every month. No need to ask where they'll be staying for 5 weeks in Hawaii. The answer is anywhere they want.

Yes, that might happen if they are as wealthy as you imagine they "might" be.

But, look.

You clearly are fascinated to talk about these young ladies. Fine, I don't blame you. Breath of fresh air that you are healthy in that regard and not looking for a tranny, or a kid, or whatever. You've defended them admirably. I cannot agree with your defense, because it assumes that CBP are a collection of evil liars who have a hatred for college-age girls from Germany. But I can admire it.

Still . . . you waste your time talking to me about them. Write to them, as I suggested. They "might" not be fabulously wealthy after all. They "might" be open to some kind of arrangement to stay at your place.

Tell them it would be "light housekeeping," meaning they really don't have to do much work at all. Tell them you have a regular cleaning lady, so they could just walk your dog and shop for your groceries and clothes that you'd like their help picking. Tell them, your house burned down with all your clothes, and now you have to live in a little apartment, until you can find just the right house to buy.

You'll need to throw away a lot of your clothes, which I'd bet would be not much of a loss. Oh, and get a dog, don't forget that part. You'll also have to clean your house while they are out, really good cleaning so it looks like a professonal cleaning lady came by.

I haven't dated German girls since I was in the Army in the early eighties. But here is what I learned: they don't judge guys the same way American girls do. They don't care much about looks. Any American looks better than the Gaylords of Europe.

They love Americans with a sense of humor, which they interpret as confidence. Don't assume a date is going badly because they are not acting like American girls do. I had a third date with a girl and she was much less talkative and animated than the first two and asked to go home early. I started to drop her off without even a kiss. She said Wass ist los? (what's happening/wrong?) (Don't you want to come up?)

Apparently, she figured talking time was over.

Anyway, I recommend you go for it. You have nothing to lose. If neither of these girls works out, there must be some German-American dating sites, I'm sure.

 

[krichton]

Counts as what?

Sounds like it's CBP said one thing and they said another. How do you conclude that the girls are the truthful ones?

How do you conclude that CBP is the truthful one? Because they're the government, and the government never lies?

It is a recounting of what told them. Of course they would not agree that they were suspicious. Whoever admits that they are suspicious?

Thank you.

Might, or you have some reason to know that they are very wealthy?

Then why would you make a point of that statement, in your previous post, as an admission that they agreed with CBP?

Name me all the 18 year olds you know who can travel the world without bothering to book hotels ahead of time, and is able to stay in Hawaii for 5 weeks and then move onto LA, Costa Rica and who knows where thereafter. How much would traveling this way cost? Anyone with the resources to do something like this isn't traveling to another country to walk your dog for a few bucks at a time.

Yes, that might happen if they are as wealthy as you imagine they "might" be.

It's just simple deductive reasoning. Where's the counterpoint to my argument, that they're actually poor, stow away on planes and are actually sleeping in the park in their tents in every country?

But, look.

You clearly are fascinated to talk about these young ladies. Fine, I don't blame you. Breath of fresh air that you are healthy in that regard and not looking for a tranny, or a kid, or whatever. You've defended them admirably. I cannot agree with your defense, because it assumes that CBP are a collection of evil liars who have a hatred for college-age girls from Germany. But I can admire it.

Still . . . you waste your time talking to me about them. Write to them, as I suggested. They "might" not be fabulously wealthy after all. They "might" be open to some kind of arrangement to stay at your place.

Perhaps this is your fantasy, it isn't mine. I'm not interested in housing anyone. And I'm about as fascinated talking about them as you are because you're continuing the conversation.

Tell them it would be "light housekeeping," meaning they really don't have to do much work at all. Tell them you have a regular cleaning lady, so they could just walk your dog and shop for your groceries and clothes that you'd like their help picking. Tell them, your house burned down with all your clothes, and now you have to live in a little apartment, until you can find just the right house to buy.

Do you think cleaning someone's backyard would have paid for their five week stay in Hawaii?

You'll need to throw away a lot of your clothes, which I'd bet would be not much of a loss. Oh, and get a dog, don't forget that part. You'll also have to clean your house while they are out, really good cleaning so it looks like a professonal cleaning lady came by.

I haven't dated German girls since I was in the Army in the early eighties. But here is what I learned: they don't judge guys the same way American girls do. They don't care much about looks. Any American looks better than the Gaylords of Europe.

They love Americans with a sense of humor, which they interpret as confidence. Don't assume a date is going badly because they are not acting like American girls do. I had a third date with a girl and she was much less talkative and animated than the first two and asked to go home early. I started to drop her off without even a kiss. She said Wass ist los? (what's happening/wrong?) (Don't you want to come up?)

Apparently, she figured talking time was over.

Anyway, I recommend you go for it. You have nothing to lose. If neither of these girls works out, there must be some German-American dating sites, I'm sure.

It really sounds like you're projecting your own fantasies with these 2 german girls onto me. Perhaps you are the one wanting to explore this.

 

[Zebra]

They might, but there's usually a motive attached. What is the motive for these girls who are already back home to continue their charade of concealing their desire to come to the US to "work?"



Typically nothing, but CBP has been handed an order by the Trump Gestapo government to scrutinize all international travelers coming into the US and CBP doesn't seem to mind using whatever mob tactics they can drum up. Apparently not having a hotel booking is grounds to be treated like criminals now.



There's a difference between suspicion and overbearing big government fueled by hysterical xenophobia. What right does CBP have to strip search two barely 18 year old teen girls simply because they didn't book a hotel? These are the stories you expect to hear about travelers visiting some authoritarian shit hole, 1000 out of a 1000 times, but America, the home of "freedom?" And if they can do this for something so minor, what else are they doing that we don't even know about?

America's most wanted!

 

[Seymour Flops]

How do you conclude that CBP is the truthful one? Because they're the government, and the government never lies?

I don't conclude that CBP is the truthful one. I just see no reason for them to lie about something like that.

Keep in mind that they usual accusation is that CBP follows Trump's racist lead in deporting illegals, that they have no other reason for doing so except their vile racism, which apparently pervades even among the large percent of CBP who are Hispanic and speak Spanish.

But what was the motivation for CBP to get rid of these cute (not hot) German girls?

Then why would you make a point of that statement, in your previous post, as an admission that they agreed with CBP?

Because inconsistency in a story indicated untruthfulness, and there was no inconsistency, so no indication of untruthfulness.

Name me all the 18 year olds you know who can travel the world without bothering to book hotels ahead of time, and is able to stay in Hawaii for 5 weeks and then move onto LA, Costa Rica and who knows where thereafter. How much would traveling this way cost? Anyone with the resources to do something like this isn't traveling to another country to walk your dog for a few bucks at a time.

American students travel to Europe and purchase inexpensive Eurail passes and stay in hostels all the time. So do Europeans see the continent that way when they are young. Cheap travel by students is a very old tradition in the West. I think you would know that without me telling you, but for wanting to win this argument.

Difference is that Americans don't go to Europe expecting to finance the trip in part by working without a permit. Or if they do plan that, they learn quickly that European countries do not fool around with their immigration laws, and are summarily ejected.

Somehow when the U.S. does what every other country in the world does, we're in the wrong?

It's just simple deductive reasoning. Where's the counterpoint to my argument, that they're actually poor, stow away on planes and are actually sleeping in the park in their tents in every country?

Honestly, I didn't know it was your argument. I thought it was an unlikely for instance to find an innocent explanation for their actions.

No, that as I said above, much more likely that they are college students (or college-age) travelling cheap to see the world before having to start adulting. That kind of long term travel is a great thing to do in youth. I did it myself, by having my rich uncle* send me to Europe to live for two years. But you have to follow the rules of the countries you visit.

It seems one of the rules in the U.S. is to have a reservation for lodging. Why would not such fabulously rich girls research that? Why not at least get a reservation for the first night so they are sure to get that five star hotel instead of having to settle for a Motel 6?

Your idea that they must be fabulously wealthy to fly to Hawaii sounds like desperation to avoid admitting you could be wrong.

*My rich uncle being my Uncle Sam in the Army.

Perhaps this is your fantasy, it isn't mine. I'm not interested in housing anyone. And I'm about as fascinated talking about them as you are because you're continuing the conversation.

You're are continuing it, but I see now only for the sake of avoiding making the smallest concession.

Do you think cleaning someone's backyard would have paid for their five week stay in Hawaii?

No, but I think they could easily find a childcare/housekeeping job that would provide room and board. Hell, if I weren't married and I was retired, I would not mind a job like that (if anyone would hire an old dude for it). Easy work watching the brats, and washing some dishes, Feed the family some bratwurst or schnitzel for supper and go hit the bars, or a luau.

It really sounds like you're projecting your own fantasies with these 2 german girls onto me. Perhaps you are the one wanting to explore this.

I'm just wondering, with millions of illegals destined to be deported and almost half a million already sent packing, you focus so hard on these young cuties.

If it is me, not you, you could easily prove it by not responding. That would be another way to avoid admitting the tiniest error, which seems to be your goal.

 

[Zebra]

German girls now should think twice about visiting the US ....

 

[Zebra]

They might, but there's usually a motive attached. What is the motive for these girls who are already back home to continue their charade of concealing their desire to come to the US to "work?"



Typically nothing, but CBP has been handed an order by the Trump Gestapo government to scrutinize all international travelers coming into the US and CBP doesn't seem to mind using whatever mob tactics they can drum up. Apparently not having a hotel booking is grounds to be treated like criminals now.



America's most wanted!

real cuties!

 

[krichton]

But what was the motivation for CBP to get rid of these cute (not hot) German girls?

Because inconsistency in a story indicated untruthfulness, and there was no inconsistency, so no indication of untruthfulness.

What has been the motivation of CBP to get rid of numerous tourists this year for seemingly unknown reasons? They've been handed a directive from Trump to scrutinize incoming travelers. And since the CBP directive is a loyalist Trump appointee, he'll go overboard doing his job. Look at how ICE has caused an international incident shackling and detaining Hyundai workers. What is the motivation for ICE to potentially cost Georgia thousands of jobs? When asking about motivation, all you have to do is look at what's driving the policy.

Except there was no inconsistency.

American students travel to Europe and purchase inexpensive Eurail passes and stay in hostels all the time. So do Europeans see the continent that way when they are young. Cheap travel by students is a very old tradition in the West. I think you would know that without me telling you, but for wanting to win this argument.

American students who backpack through Europe are not choosing to stay in, say, super expensive Zurich for 5 weeks and then heading to the next most expensive city of Paris for who knows how long. Staying in Zurich alone for that length of time would wipe out whatever budget they had saved for traveling throughout Europe, maybe 2x over. Backpacking through Europe doesn't mean living in cities for weeks at a time.

Hostels, presumably the cheapest one they can find always have to be booked ahead of time to insure rates and availability. No one is flying into Hawaii with no hotel bookings, looking to walk into a "cheap" hostel at the peak of spring break, ffs.

Difference is that Americans don't go to Europe expecting to finance the trip in part by working without a permit. Or if they do plan that, they learn quickly that European countries do not fool around with their immigration laws, and are summarily ejected.

Somehow when the U.S. does what every other country in the world does, we're in the wrong?

Newsflash, no one from Europe who comes to America for a few weeks does it either, because it's completely unrealistic and defeats the whole purpose of traveling the world. Cleaning someone's yard wouldn't even pay the hotel fee for that day, lol.

Honestly, I didn't know it was your argument. I thought it was an unlikely for instance to find an innocent explanation for their actions.

No, that as I said above, much more likely that they are college students (or college-age) travelling cheap to see the world before having to start adulting. That kind of long term travel is a great thing to do in youth. I did it myself, by having my rich uncle* send me to Europe to live for two years. But you have to follow the rules of the countries you visit.

I'm not buying the whole traveling cheap angle you're pushing. They lived in New Zealand for a few weeks before eventually landing in Honolulu during spring break season, making an already expensive trip more expensive and without booking a hotel in order to get the best prices. None of this is possible on the average 18 year old's income, whatever that may be.

It seems one of the rules in the U.S. is to have a reservation for lodging. Why would not such fabulously rich girls research that? Why not at least get a reservation for the first night so they are sure to get that five star hotel instead of having to settle for a Motel 6?

Your idea that they must be fabulously wealthy to fly to Hawaii sounds like desperation to avoid admitting you could be wrong.

It's not a rule. But if you arrive in the US without hotel bookings you'll be questioned by CBP, but this has never been an excuse to strip search, lock up and then deport someone.

They were trying to be spontaneous, which is what they stated and is exactly why I didn’t think they were just some broke backpackers looking to rake leaves in Hawaii for a few bucks, as you’re suggesting. Spontaneity is a privilege of the wealthy or well to do. An average person much less an 18 year old couldn’t do what they did unless they were willing to burn through money needlessly in case something unexpected happened.

*My rich uncle being my Uncle Sam in the Army.

You're are continuing it, but I see now only for the sake of avoiding making the smallest concession.

No, but I think they could easily find a childcare/housekeeping job that would provide room and board. Hell, if I weren't married and I was retired, I would not mind a job like that (if anyone would hire an old dude for it). Easy work watching the brats, and washing some dishes, Feed the family some bratwurst or schnitzel for supper and go hit the bars, or a luau.

I'm just wondering, with millions of illegals destined to be deported and almost half a million already sent packing, you focus so hard on these young cuties.

If it is me, not you, you could easily prove it by not responding. That would be another way to avoid admitting the tiniest error, which seems to be your goal.

I am more than willing to make concessions on any rational argument.

There's a bit of logic missing from your scenario. If they had access to a job like that in Hawaii, they could have simply given the address of the homeowner they would be staying at and CBP would have been forced to let them go instead of giving them the requisite cavity search for not booking a hotel.

Even if this was the only thing I talked about on USMB, which it by far is not, I'm not sure why this would bother you so much. Why is it relevant to the debate?

But I'm not the one here critiquing why someone else chooses to talk about it. I'm not bothered by other people debating me over it.

 

[krichton]

German girls now should think twice about visiting the US ....

All foreigners should stay far away from the US.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Right?

But, I'm more the fool for arguing with him, I guess.

What has been the motivation of CBP to get rid of numerous tourists this year for seemingly unknown reasons? They've been handed a directive from Trump to scrutinize incoming travelers. And since the CBP directive is a loyalist Trump appointee, he'll go overboard doing his job. Look at how ICE has caused an international incident shackling and detaining Hyundai workers. What is the motivation for ICE to potentially cost Georgia thousands of jobs? When asking about motivation, all you have to do is look at what's driving the policy.

I doubt that the CBP director was personally involved in this. Unless he has given an order to "call me if any cute young fraudsters get caught."

American students who backpack through Europe are not choosing to stay in, say, super expensive Zurich for 5 weeks and then heading to the next most expensive city of Paris for who knows how long. Staying in Zurich alone for that length of time would wipe out whatever budget they had saved for traveling throughout Europe, maybe 2x over. Backpacking through Europe doesn't mean living in cities for weeks at a time.

I feel like I have to look up stuff just to prove you're making it up as you go along. So, we're on the same sheet, are you saying that you know these girls are fabulously wealthy, or that they "might" be fabulously wealthy as you said in a previous post?

Either way:

Hostels, presumably the cheapest one they can find always have to be booked ahead of time to insure rates and availability. No one is flying into Hawaii with no hotel bookings, looking to walk into a "cheap" hostel at the peak of spring break, ffs.

No, but they could very well fly in hoping to sleep on the beach, get picked up in a bar, or just fall in with some student vacationers who would invite them to stay with them. Pretty girls with smarts can always find a way.

But it isn't up to me to prove any of that. The rules say you have to have a reservation for the type of visa one of them had (the other had none), and they did not follow that rule.

Newsflash, no one from Europe who comes to America for a few weeks does it either, because it's completely unrealistic and defeats the whole purpose of traveling the world. Cleaning someone's yard wouldn't even pay the hotel fee for that day, lol.

Are you this niave, seriously? They weren't coming to America for a few weeks, they were there to make as much money as they could and likely look for a way to get a green card. People come to American for that purpose all the time (or at least they used to, heh, heh), so why is that so impossible in this case? Because they are not brown?

Dude, check your privilege. Germans are not as rich as Americans.

I'm not buying the whole traveling cheap angle you're pushing. They lived in New Zealand for a few weeks before eventually landing in Honolulu during spring break season, making an already expensive trip more expensive and without booking a hotel in order to get the best prices. None of this is possible on the average 18 year old's income, whatever that may be.

Okay. Don't "buy it."

They broke the rules, they got sent home. Happens all the time. The only difference is these girls are white and cute, not some vaqueros who rode over the Big River hidden in a hay truck.

There was a German exchange student in my high school PE class. They let us drive our cars to the bowling alley one day for a field trip. One of my group started smoking pot and the German kid got very upset. "If I get in trouble, I'll be back in Germany in 24 hours!" Germans know the rules. When they break them, it is no accident.

Break the rules, get sent home. I guess you were so used to the Biden era that such a simple concept doesn't make sense to you.

It's not a rule. But if you arrive in the US without hotel bookings you'll be questioned by CBP, but this has never been an excuse to strip search, lock up and then deport someone.

I assume they do that to everyone caught in the country illegally. They should, even if that was paused for four years.

I could speculate all day, but if you think the law was broken in sending these young ladies home, explain why CBP treated them differently than any other rule breakers.

Do you think that the female CPB officers that strip searched them were doing it for thrills? I think you've seen too many chicks in prison movies.

They were trying to be spontaneous, which is what they stated and is exactly why I didn’t think they were just some broke backpackers looking to rake leaves in Hawaii for a few bucks, as you’re suggesting. Spontaneity is a privilege of the wealthy or well to do.

I never said anything about raking leaves for a few bucks. Now you're just lying. One more and we're done here.

An average person much less an 18 year old couldn’t do what they did unless they were willing to burn through money needlessly in case something unexpected happened.

Oh, I see. You're not from my generation.

In my day, an eighteen year old was an adult, and we were not afraid to go out into the world, even if we didn't have much money. I guess that thing about the bowling alley field trip surprised you. The class was called "individual sports," and it was PE for kids who hated PE but needed the credit. No one thought it strange that high school "kids" could be allowed to drive themselves to a bowling alley on school time, or that I owned a car I bought with money I worked for after lying about my age to work at Church's Fried.

I suppose the participation trophy generation will never know what it is like to "light out for the territories" as Mark Twain said. Not your fault. I feel bad for you, that you missed out on it. It was a great time, and we didn't know how great it was.

I am more than willing to make concessions on any rational argument.

Clearly you are not. Not ever.

There's a bit of logic missing from your scenario. If they had access to a job like that in Hawaii, they could have simply given the address of the homeowner they would be staying at and CBP would have been forced to let them go instead of giving them the requisite cavity search for not booking a hotel.

I'm not saying that they had that job already. I'm saying that is an example of a job they might have beeen seeking. Maybe they wanted to wait tables, or become personal shoppers. Or work on a fishing boat making drinks for tourists for tips.

Whatever.

They are young and probably didn't think it through, or they would have made sure their visas were in order and that they had a place to stay. But this trip was a great learning experience, that will bring a maturity that Americans of your generation missed out on. With many, many exceptions, but it wasn't the rule as it was for my generation.

Even if this was the only thing I talked about on USMB, which it by far is not, I'm not sure why this would bother you so much. Why is it relevant to the debate?

It isn't. I was just curious. You seem like you would be a person who is very concerned that illegal aliens who were given "a legal status" get tax-funded health care, but I don't see you talking about that. You're stuck on this. Which is fine.

Sure, you talk about these young ladies all you like. I would wish for you to meet them. I think you could learn a lot from their initiative.

In a more innocent time, i.e. before the previous administrations open border disaster, I might have rooted for them to stay. But the bad apples, i.e. Border Czar Harris, spoiled it for everyone. We have to be cautious, even German girls.

Besides, if they had let the German girls go through with no scrutiny and then went over the next group - young males from the middle east - with a fine toothed comb, you would be on here crying racial profiling.

You said you could admit things?

Admit that.

But I'm not the one here critiquing why someone else chooses to talk about it. I'm not bothered by other people debating me over it.

Okay, then.

What else you got about these diese Mädchen?

 

[Zebra]

All foreigners should stay far away from the US.

I have been to the US in 1976 and in 1983.
we met friendly people there.


but the border officers seemed to be paid extra to be as unfriendly as possible.
Seems all tourists are seen as maybe criminals.

And these days it looks a lot worse.
Like the border officers in East Germany once.

 

[Zebra]

The EU now has travel warnings about the US.

for good reasons

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Like the border officers in East Germany once

That was an experience.

 

[Zebra]

That was an experience.

indeed!

and not pleasant

 

[Concerned American]

I have been to the US in 1976 and in 1983.
we met friendly people there.


but the border officers seemed to be paid extra to be as unfriendly as possible.
Seems all tourists are seen as maybe criminals.

And these days it looks a lot worse.
Like the border officers in East Germany once.

Just an observation, but I've never seen ANY country's border/immigration officers that are the slightest bit friendly. Healthy skepticism is a requirement of their jobs.