George Will says W 2003 decision is worst foreign policy decision in U.S. history

[Londoner]

Before the Bush "fix"... the Sunnis and Shias were not involved in a sectarian religious war, Iran was not a regional power, and Syria was not threatened by Islamic extremists and civil war. The Bush "fix" sparked all these conflicts and problems, leaving them for the next president. Victory my ass.

 

[1776]

Actually idiot, Iraq turned into a shitstorm as soon as Obama pulled all US troops out before Iraq was ready to be on their own.

Iran....has gained more power thanks to Obama too, maybe even get nukes in the near future thanks to scum like you letting them.

Before the Bush "fix"... the Sunnis and Shias were not involved in a sectarian religious war, Iran was not a regional power, and Syria was not threatened by Islamic extremists and civil war. The Bush "fix" sparked all these conflicts and problems, leaving them for the next president. Victory my ass.

 

[NYcarbineer]

ninja 10175273

you trust the UN inspectors?

Absolutely! And a thousand times more than I would trust a man who claimed this was just cause for starting a war.

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

That is because inspectors were right which was proven by the fact after the war started there were no WMD to be found in Iraq of any real consequence - Iraq did not have 'the most lethal weapons ever devised' bu. But Bush was not just wrong - Bush lied on March 17 2003 to the American people and the military people whom he was about to get them engaged in a major unnecessary war that he was not prepared to engage at all. He lied because ten days earlier he had no intelligence that allowed him to make that claim. Ten Days earlier he would have allowed Saddam Hussein to remain in power.as was documented in a draft resolution that he authorized to be sent to the UN Security Council giving that council ten days to declare Iraq in compliance or authorize war. If the council had ten days to declare Iraq in compliance it means that Bush did not have intelligence that left no doubt that Iraq was concealing the most lethal weapons ever devised.

Think about it. Bush lied about the intelligence he had to justify starting a war. And think about the UN Inspectors being right when they did not find evidence of WMD being hidden in Iraq while Bush was lying on the world stage.

And you question trusting the inspectors. What is wrong with you. hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved had we told Bush to go to hell with his damned bad idea about starting a war in Iraq.

Bill Clinton and other democrats said the same exact thing about Saddam in 98 and 99
and don't ask for a link because if you do it proves you are a partisan hack
It's a known fact that clinton and other democrats were beating the war drum for Iraq.

Why do you think that makes the 2003 invasion any less stupid?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Maybe George Will has done this just to position himself to be better able to attack presumptive Democrat nominee Hillary Clinton in 2016 for her support of the Iraq War...

...eh?

 

[The Rabbi]

Maybe George Will has done this just to position himself to be better able to attack presumptive Democrat nominee Hillary Clinton in 2016 for her support of the Iraq War...

...eh?

She isn't even a presumptive candidate at this point. The momentum is all for Fauxcohontas Warren, Chief Big Bullshitter.

 

[BluesLegend]

So now you're a George Will fan?
Who cares? Bush won the Iraq War, Obama lost it.
Obama lost in Afghanistan
Obama's foreign policy is the worst in history.

I will add that virtually the entire Democratic party in congress was rooting for Bush to loose the Iraq war and the utterly disgusting reason was to win an election. "This war is lost" it was nothing but doom and gloom from the Democratic party for several years under Bush. I remember a few months AFTER Obama took office Bill Clinton had to take the idiot aside and tell him Obama we won, stop with the doom and gloom talk you won already you moron. And we all know of course like magic, as soon as Obama took office all the anti-war propaganda stopped cold. When was the last time the MSM reported on the deaths and casualties like they did under Bush weekly? Yeah like never in 6 years. Rush had it right years ago, these are people who must be defeated not compromised with.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

ninja 10175273

you trust the UN inspectors?

Absolutely! And a thousand times more than I would trust a man who claimed this was just cause for starting a war.

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

That is because inspectors were right which was proven by the fact after the war started there were no WMD to be found in Iraq of any real consequence - Iraq did not have 'the most lethal weapons ever devised' bu. But Bush was not just wrong - Bush lied on March 17 2003 to the American people and the military people whom he was about to get them engaged in a major unnecessary war that he was not prepared to engage at all. He lied because ten days earlier he had no intelligence that allowed him to make that claim. Ten Days earlier he would have allowed Saddam Hussein to remain in power.as was documented in a draft resolution that he authorized to be sent to the UN Security Council giving that council ten days to declare Iraq in compliance or authorize war. If the council had ten days to declare Iraq in compliance it means that Bush did not have intelligence that left no doubt that Iraq was concealing the most lethal weapons ever devised.

Think about it. Bush lied about the intelligence he had to justify starting a war. And think about the UN Inspectors being right when they did not find evidence of WMD being hidden in Iraq while Bush was lying on the world stage.

And you question trusting the inspectors. What is wrong with you. hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved had we told Bush to go to hell with his damned bad idea about starting a war in Iraq.

Bill Clinton and other democrats said the same exact thing about Saddam in 98 and 99
and don't ask for a link because if you do it proves you are a partisan hack
It's a known fact that clinton and other democrats were beating the war drum for Iraq.

Why do you think that makes the 2003 invasion any less stupid?

if clinton had more time he would have invaded.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Maybe George Will has done this just to position himself to be better able to attack presumptive Democrat nominee Hillary Clinton in 2016 for her support of the Iraq War...

...eh?

She isn't even a presumptive candidate at this point. The momentum is all for Fauxcohontas Warren, Chief Big Bullshitter.

Is that why you're exhibiting so much fear of her?

 

[NYcarbineer]

ninja 10175273

you trust the UN inspectors?

Absolutely! And a thousand times more than I would trust a man who claimed this was just cause for starting a war.

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

That is because inspectors were right which was proven by the fact after the war started there were no WMD to be found in Iraq of any real consequence - Iraq did not have 'the most lethal weapons ever devised' bu. But Bush was not just wrong - Bush lied on March 17 2003 to the American people and the military people whom he was about to get them engaged in a major unnecessary war that he was not prepared to engage at all. He lied because ten days earlier he had no intelligence that allowed him to make that claim. Ten Days earlier he would have allowed Saddam Hussein to remain in power.as was documented in a draft resolution that he authorized to be sent to the UN Security Council giving that council ten days to declare Iraq in compliance or authorize war. If the council had ten days to declare Iraq in compliance it means that Bush did not have intelligence that left no doubt that Iraq was concealing the most lethal weapons ever devised.

Think about it. Bush lied about the intelligence he had to justify starting a war. And think about the UN Inspectors being right when they did not find evidence of WMD being hidden in Iraq while Bush was lying on the world stage.

And you question trusting the inspectors. What is wrong with you. hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved had we told Bush to go to hell with his damned bad idea about starting a war in Iraq.

Bill Clinton and other democrats said the same exact thing about Saddam in 98 and 99
and don't ask for a link because if you do it proves you are a partisan hack
It's a known fact that clinton and other democrats were beating the war drum for Iraq.

Why do you think that makes the 2003 invasion any less stupid?

if clinton had more time he would have invaded.

Thanks, Kreskin. So what. He would have been just as wrong. Remember why Obama got elected. He opposed the war from before it started.

He was right. I was right. You were wrong. End of story.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

ninja 10175273

you trust the UN inspectors?

Absolutely! And a thousand times more than I would trust a man who claimed this was just cause for starting a war.

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

That is because inspectors were right which was proven by the fact after the war started there were no WMD to be found in Iraq of any real consequence - Iraq did not have 'the most lethal weapons ever devised' bu. But Bush was not just wrong - Bush lied on March 17 2003 to the American people and the military people whom he was about to get them engaged in a major unnecessary war that he was not prepared to engage at all. He lied because ten days earlier he had no intelligence that allowed him to make that claim. Ten Days earlier he would have allowed Saddam Hussein to remain in power.as was documented in a draft resolution that he authorized to be sent to the UN Security Council giving that council ten days to declare Iraq in compliance or authorize war. If the council had ten days to declare Iraq in compliance it means that Bush did not have intelligence that left no doubt that Iraq was concealing the most lethal weapons ever devised.

Think about it. Bush lied about the intelligence he had to justify starting a war. And think about the UN Inspectors being right when they did not find evidence of WMD being hidden in Iraq while Bush was lying on the world stage.

And you question trusting the inspectors. What is wrong with you. hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved had we told Bush to go to hell with his damned bad idea about starting a war in Iraq.

Bill Clinton and other democrats said the same exact thing about Saddam in 98 and 99
and don't ask for a link because if you do it proves you are a partisan hack
It's a known fact that clinton and other democrats were beating the war drum for Iraq.

Why do you think that makes the 2003 invasion any less stupid?

if clinton had more time he would have invaded.

Thanks, Kreskin. So what. He would have been just as wrong. Remember why Obama got elected. He opposed the war from before it started.

He was right. I was right. You were wrong. End of story.

Sure he would have you r soooooooooooo correct. right he would have been just as wrong uhun

 

[JakeStarkey]

We won the battle of 2003, and lost the peace since then because (1) we did not have the armed forces that were required, as Genl Shinseki's advice has since been ratified by experience; and (2) we let Halliburton rebuild the country instead of the Corps of Engineers with Iraqis being paid $15 to $20 per hour that would have won the hearts and minds of the people.

 

[The Rabbi]

Maybe George Will has done this just to position himself to be better able to attack presumptive Democrat nominee Hillary Clinton in 2016 for her support of the Iraq War...

...eh?

She isn't even a presumptive candidate at this point. The momentum is all for Fauxcohontas Warren, Chief Big Bullshitter.

Is that why you're exhibiting so much fear of her?

Fear of whom? Hillary, whom the Dems cant stand, or Warren, who couldnt get elected dog catcher?

 

[The Rabbi]

ninja 10175273

you trust the UN inspectors?

Absolutely! And a thousand times more than I would trust a man who claimed this was just cause for starting a war.

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

That is because inspectors were right which was proven by the fact after the war started there were no WMD to be found in Iraq of any real consequence - Iraq did not have 'the most lethal weapons ever devised' bu. But Bush was not just wrong - Bush lied on March 17 2003 to the American people and the military people whom he was about to get them engaged in a major unnecessary war that he was not prepared to engage at all. He lied because ten days earlier he had no intelligence that allowed him to make that claim. Ten Days earlier he would have allowed Saddam Hussein to remain in power.as was documented in a draft resolution that he authorized to be sent to the UN Security Council giving that council ten days to declare Iraq in compliance or authorize war. If the council had ten days to declare Iraq in compliance it means that Bush did not have intelligence that left no doubt that Iraq was concealing the most lethal weapons ever devised.

Think about it. Bush lied about the intelligence he had to justify starting a war. And think about the UN Inspectors being right when they did not find evidence of WMD being hidden in Iraq while Bush was lying on the world stage.

And you question trusting the inspectors. What is wrong with you. hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved had we told Bush to go to hell with his damned bad idea about starting a war in Iraq.

Bill Clinton and other democrats said the same exact thing about Saddam in 98 and 99
and don't ask for a link because if you do it proves you are a partisan hack
It's a known fact that clinton and other democrats were beating the war drum for Iraq.

Why do you think that makes the 2003 invasion any less stupid?

if clinton had more time he would have invaded.

Thanks, Kreskin. So what. He would have been just as wrong. Remember why Obama got elected. He opposed the war from before it started.

He was right. I was right. You were wrong. End of story.

Actually he got elected because he was black. All the racists in the Dem party came out to vote.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Actually idiot, Iraq turned into a shitstorm as soon as Obama pulled all US troops out before Iraq was ready to be on their own.

Iran....has gained more power thanks to Obama too, maybe even get nukes in the near future thanks to scum like you letting them.

Could you actually explain this. I don't get how you ended up at this point of view.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Maybe George Will has done this just to position himself to be better able to attack presumptive Democrat nominee Hillary Clinton in 2016 for her support of the Iraq War...

...eh?

She isn't even a presumptive candidate at this point. The momentum is all for Fauxcohontas Warren, Chief Big Bullshitter.

Is that why you're exhibiting so much fear of her?

Fear of whom? Hillary, whom the Dems cant stand, or Warren, who couldnt get elected dog catcher?

She's a US Senator, retard.

 

[SwimExpert]

Actually idiot, Iraq turned into a shitstorm as soon as Obama pulled all US troops out before Iraq was ready to be on their own.

Iraq was a shitstorm when Bush was up for re-election.

 

[ninja007]

actually the worst was Clinton's refusal to kill OBL.

 

[Redfish]

I agree that going into Iraq as we did was a mistake, so was going into viet nam. Yes, defense contractors make money, they also provide millions of good paying jobs for american workers.

Halliburton is the only company that does what it does, it takes high risk jobs in dangerous places and is well paid for that. If you don't like them making money, start a company and compete with them.

You've move this away from what we're talking about.

It isn't about Halliburton making money from a necessary situation. This is Halliburton making a LOT of money from a situation which has lasted far longer than it should have done. A situation that was made longer right at the start when they made an absolute balls up of the post war period and made sure there was a huge power vacuum that was clearly going to be filled by someone.

Now, the question everyone has to ask is, was this done on purpose. A destabilized OPEC country not only benefits the Republican Party who want to be tough on terror (you need terror to be tough on it) but it also benefits those who give a lot of money to the Republican Party.

Halliburton is a perfect example of this.

OpenSecrets.org Search

Top Contributor to member. How many Republicans can you see? In 2014 alone, I've posted below. Halliburton is the top contributor to all of these. There are two Democrats in this list. Gene Green from Texas and John Barrow from Georgia. Both are known as Republican states. Barrow has been targeted by the Republicans as a seat they feel they can win. Happens to be the only white democrat in the south.
Both are on the Energy and Commerce Committee, which is probably why they get money from Halliburton. The Chairman, Fred Upton also appears on this list. Without Halliburton the coffers of the Republican Party would be a little lighter.

• Halliburton Co to Andy Harris (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Bill Flores (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Bill Johnson (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Bill Shuster (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Blake Farenthold (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Bob Gibbs (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Charles W. Boustany Jr (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Chris Stewart (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Cory Gardner (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Cynthia Marie Lummis (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Darrell Issa (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Dave Camp (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Dean Heller (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Diane Black (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Doc Hastings (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Douglas L. Lamborn (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Fred Upton (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Gene Green (D) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Glenn Thompson (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to James E. Risch (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to James Lankford (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to James M. Inhofe (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Jeff Duncan (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Jeff Sessions (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to John Barrow (D) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to John Culberson (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to John L. Mica (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Kevin Brady (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Kevin Cramer (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Kevin McCarthy (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Louis B. Gohmert Jr (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Markwayne Mullin (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Pete Olson (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Randy Weber (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Rob Bishop (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Scott Tipton (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Steve Scalise (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Steven Daines (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Ted Cruz (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Ted Poe (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Thad Cochran (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Tim Scott (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Tim Walberg (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Tom Marino (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Tom McClintock (R) in 2014
• Halliburton Co to Tom Reed (R) in 2014

Lobbying happened to increase massively in 2004. I wonder why.

Basically Halliburton, with a VP in the White House did extremely well out of the Iraq affair.

Other companies will be doing extremely well now, those who produce stuff for the USAF.

US interests at play. The need to keep these wars going is strong in some parts. I don't think Obama is strong enough to stop all of this happening. This is his weakest point.

So lets ban all lobbying and the legal bribery known as political contributions from all organizations, including unions. OK?

 

[Redfish]

The US military won the war in Iraq, the politicians lost the control of Iraq because of mistakes with the rebuilding process. Removing Saddam was a good and smart choice, the mistakes following up that choice don't change that fact.

Were they mistakes?

Removing the army and police force was the largest "mistake". It brought a political power vacuum to the streets of Iraq.

The consequences were al-Qaeda in Iraq. Helps Bush, firstly because he said al-Qaeda was there already. Secondly because he wanted Islam to the new common enemy, to have al-Qaeda getting in the news looking bad and killing Americans benefited his position. The media would pick up on it more, would listen more to "the war on terror" and "al-Qaeda" every time he said it and the people would become more and more aware of how bad al-Qaeda are.

The problem in 2001 was Hugo Chavez trying to get OPEC members, especially those who hated the US, onto his side. Iraq was one of these. An unstable Iraq reduced the power of OPEC, reduced the chances of oil prices being artificially manipulated by OPEC.
The coup d'etat against Chavez in 2002 supported by the infamous democracy promotion department of the US govt (which they claim they're going to stop sending to dangerous places) and which took down a democratically elected leader in the name of democracy (who'd make this stuff up?) and to stop the power of OPEC. (and also Libya and the sanctions against Iran)

Also the other consequences were the US would have to spend longer in Iraq and various companies who give lots of money to Republicans would be making a lot of money.

There seem to be too many positives for the Republican Party for this to be merely a mistake in my view.

Let me make sure I understand what you are claiming. Are you claiming that the war in Iraq was started and continued in order to make money for Halliburton? Is that your claim?

If so, is obama also on their payroll for continuing that war and starting another one in Syria?

 

[Redfish]

Redfish, Kosh, and bigrebnc have failed in this thread. They will not answer the points, merely shout and vilify, like four year olds.

Bush had several options to choose from in 2003.

He chose the wrong one that has further destabilized the ME.

The neo-cons will be vilified by historians as have the isolationists of the later 1930s. Rightfully so.

Yes, going into Iraq as we did was a mistake, we agree.

What we don't agree on is your claim that Bush did it all on his own.

The truth is that both parties bought the bogus intel and authorized and funded the Iraq fiasco.