Genetic studies on Palestinians and Israelis

Israeli prisons are full of Mizrahim. More Mizrahim than Arabs, actually. They are not overwhelmingly successful, they are despised. I was finally convinced of Israeli racism when I heard Ashkenazim talk about Mizrahim. They are victims of everything that happens to the underclass in any modern society. They are drug addicts, prostitutes, thieves, gang members, in far greater numbers than anyone else in Israeli society. That is not to blame the Mizrahim, this is the society they are in.

Wow, you don't know jack.

For your information, the racism of Mizrahim towards Ashkenazi Jews is a known fact, and it was 10 times crueler than what you believe to be racism towards them today.

There were times in Israeli that a Mizrahi lady would have been kicked out and banished by her family if she'd even think of marrying an Ashkenazi husband.

They are most in Israeli jails because, no can do, they do commit most of the crimes. Racism? maybe, but it has to also do much with statistics.
 
Israeli prisons are full of Mizrahim. More Mizrahim than Arabs, actually. They are not overwhelmingly successful, they are despised. I was finally convinced of Israeli racism when I heard Ashkenazim talk about Mizrahim. They are victims of everything that happens to the underclass in any modern society. They are drug addicts, prostitutes, thieves, gang members, in far greater numbers than anyone else in Israeli society. That is not to blame the Mizrahim, this is the society they are in.

You really need to find new reading material.
Mediterranean/arab jews, Mizrahim, were forced to leave their homes by the pogroms in the late '40s. Turkish, Lebanese and Syrians, left a little at time but tried to stay till at least the mid 70's.
 
Since there are more Mizrachi and Sephardi Jews in Israel than Ashkenazim, I'm not surprised to find there'd be more of 'em in jail......

Any group can be 'racist' against any other group: it's absolutely idiotic, but it's there. Just look at all the vile shit spewed by some Protestants about Catholics, and between different Protestant sects. It'd be hilarious, if it weren't so terribly sad : ((

Even within the same Church, it goes on: I had friends who nearly eloped because their parents couldn't agree on whether to have wine for communion during the wedding ceremony! They were both Methodists.... And then there's the difference between 'High' and 'Low' Episcopalians.....

It's hardly unique to Israeli society - how do the Roma fare in Europe?
 
Aris, there was a flat-out conspiracy by the Arab League nations to eject all their Jewish citizenry en masse. This plan was agreed upon even before '48.......
 
"I think you are the most level headed person in this discussion for saying that, even though of course
Palestinians don't prefer death to life, they often just don't have a chance at life.

"To life" !! is also an Arab toast by the way"


“....they often just don't have a chance at life.”













“They……..:”

































“. . . often just don't have a chance at life.”




Shhhhhhhhhhh; and you know exactly why:

 
"I think you are the most level headed person in this discussion for saying that, even though of course
Palestinians don't prefer death to life, they often just don't have a chance at life.

"To life" !! is also an Arab toast by the way"


“....they often just don't have a chance at life.”













“They……..:”

































“. . . often just don't have a chance at life.”




Shhhhhhhhhhh; and you know exactly why:


Isn't she a hoot, Member? If the Arabs don't have a chance, it is because they are busy murdering each other in many, many Arab countries. Has anyone seen this one-trick pony ever complaining about those terrible cartoons made with the characters telling the children to become Shahids? Maybe instead of some Saudi complaining that Sesame Street is a Zionist plot, they should encourage the Arab children to view that show instead of their regular cartoons.
 
there was a jewish kingdom in arabia for around 100 year.
No dispute here.
jews were forced to leave, convert or pay the jizyah.
Yes, this is true too (are you finally starting to deal in truth, Aris?) Some of the tax went into national coffers to cover general expenses like roads, military, whatever. The rest went to cover the expenses of the separate Jewish government, for Jews just like Christians had their own "millet." I am not going to bother to defend the Ottomans because they were rotten so and sos who occupied Arab lands for hundreds of years and kept them down.
Every time jews are forced from someplace, much of their goods/wealth is lost.
Historically true, looking at Spain in 1492, England at several different points over the centuries, Germany frequently, and various other places across Europe. This is why Jews entered fields like gemstones, banking, etc. as a way of keeping their wealth in liquid form so they could escape with it at a moment's notice. This also made them rather indispensable to European leaders in the era before modern nation states, when they wanted someone to bankroll their exploits!
Although there are surely lunatics in every nation, it was rarely the case in the Muslim Middle East. The history is a very different picture and Arab history is full of stories of very well known Jews from the middle ages, which was a time of flourishing in the Arab world. Jews made contributions to Arab culture consisting of everything from science to literature. so we can well believe they were in much better shape there than in Europe.
Jews were forced out of their land several times, but the greatest loss was after the jewish revolts. Jews have aways been tied to the land, to their ancient homeland.
Very much agreed, yes. I think your big mistake is in believing that Palestinians are any less tied to the land. That is the miscalculation that bites you in the butt.

And now this thread is thoroughly off topic. Please start a new topic about anti-Semitism. i am sure we could all profit from it.

These so-called Palestinians were tied to their land? I don't think so. What land could that be since most of them or their ancestors came from the poor surrounding countries when the Jews had jobs for them, just like we see happening today in countries where people are coming from their poor countries.?
 
Go check it out, Roudy ... prisons in Israel...

Unfortunately for you, everything I am saying is true. If it isn't and I find out about it, I will admit my error.

The majority may now be Mizrahim, but they are still a disadvantaged underclass and largely despised by Ashkenazis and Sephardim, too.





You have posted an opinion without backup. Find links to support your assertion and post them here where they can be reviewed.
 
You have posted an opinion without backup. Find links to support your assertion and post them here where they can be reviewed.
Just like Roudy, Lipbush, aris2chat and MHunterB, but you don't say anything about them?

None of them posted links to their comments, so why the singling out?
 
That's not correct, many Jews have chosen to convert over the millennia. And there is one religious philosophy that MOST Jews have defected to in fact, and that is secularism.

By the way, did you know that when Jerusalem was captured by the Crusaders (I think this was the second crusade), they ATE the inhabitants?!?!? Yes, Muslim and Jewish and even a few Christians, they ATE them! I used to hear this when I was in the Middle East and thought it was just empty propaganda, but when I took history in college, OMG, it turned out to be true.

Link? Proof? I would like to have something better than you saying this happened. I have never heard of it.

Thank you.
 
That's not correct, many Jews have chosen to convert over the millennia. And there is one religious philosophy that MOST Jews have defected to in fact, and that is secularism.

By the way, did you know that when Jerusalem was captured by the Crusaders (I think this was the second crusade), they ATE the inhabitants?!?!? Yes, Muslim and Jewish and even a few Christians, they ATE them! I used to hear this when I was in the Middle East and thought it was just empty propaganda, but when I took history in college, OMG, it turned out to be true.

Link? Proof? I would like to have something better than you saying this happened. I have never heard of it.

Thank you.

I would be interested in this too. I took history in college too -- both ancient history and modern history -- and I never learned of this. Maybe if someone is educated in a madrassa, this is part of the history curriculum.
 
That's not correct, many Jews have chosen to convert over the millennia. And there is one religious philosophy that MOST Jews have defected to in fact, and that is secularism.

By the way, did you know that when Jerusalem was captured by the Crusaders (I think this was the second crusade), they ATE the inhabitants?!?!? Yes, Muslim and Jewish and even a few Christians, they ATE them! I used to hear this when I was in the Middle East and thought it was just empty propaganda, but when I took history in college, OMG, it turned out to be true.

Link? Proof? I would like to have something better than you saying this happened. I have never heard of it.

Thank you.

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Israeli prisons are full of Mizrahim. More Mizrahim than Arabs, actually. They are not overwhelmingly successful, they are despised. I was finally convinced of Israeli racism when I heard Ashkenazim talk about Mizrahim. They are victims of everything that happens to the underclass in any modern society. They are drug addicts, prostitutes, thieves, gang members, in far greater numbers than anyone else in Israeli society. That is not to blame the Mizrahim, this is the society they are in.

Wow, you don't know jack.

For your information, the racism of Mizrahim towards Ashkenazi Jews is a known fact, and it was 10 times crueler than what you believe to be racism towards them today.

There were times in Israeli that a Mizrahi lady would have been kicked out and banished by her family if she'd even think of marrying an Ashkenazi husband.

They are most in Israeli jails because, no can do, they do commit most of the crimes. Racism? maybe, but it has to also do much with statistics.
Don't you understand? This is all irrelevant. Enmity is out to prove Israel is a racist society. Meanwhile the real racists reside in Arab / Muslim societies. Enmity doesn't let the facts get in its way.
 
Go check it out, Roudy ... prisons in Israel...

Unfortunately for you, everything I am saying is true. If it isn't and I find out about it, I will admit my error.

The majority may now be Mizrahim, but they are still a disadvantaged underclass and largely despised by Ashkenazis and Sephardim, too.
As I told you you're blowing Islamic farts. Iranian and Iraqi Jews are now asking the wealthiest most successful Jews. Because culturally they are good at wheeling and dealing. You ask any Israeli they will tell you the same. There is no such thing underclass or privileged in Israel. Just like here in the US you have rich and poor in all walks of life. I would argue that due to its relatively small population and govt. sponsored excellent health care and education, everybody is on equal footing there.
 
The conclusion of these PhD's years of research is that the Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews. Don't miss that, and please realize that none of us are qualified to dispute this conclusion.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! You keep putting lipstick on this pig, but it's still a pig. Palestinians are Arabs no different than their Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian brethren.

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That's not correct, many Jews have chosen to convert over the millennia. And there is one religious philosophy that MOST Jews have defected to in fact, and that is secularism.

By the way, did you know that when Jerusalem was captured by the Crusaders (I think this was the second crusade), they ATE the inhabitants?!?!? Yes, Muslim and Jewish and even a few Christians, they ATE them! I used to hear this when I was in the Middle East and thought it was just empty propaganda, but when I took history in college, OMG, it turned out to be true.

Link? Proof? I would like to have something better than you saying this happened. I have never heard of it.

Thank you.
It's not you Teddy, that goes with most of the crap that Enmity proposes. And the rest is old. IslamoNazi propaganda and lies that have been heard a million times.
 
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The conclusion of these PhD's years of research is that the Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews. Don't miss that, and please realize that none of us are qualified to dispute this conclusion.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! You keep putting lipstick on this pig, but it's still a pig. Palestinians are Arabs no different than their Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian brethren.

Roudy, I never knew ANYONE involved in this issue who was more out of touch with reality than you. Good info has been presented, and yet you are electing to believe your own fantasies.
 
The conclusion of these PhD's years of research is that the Palestinians are descended from ancient Jews. Don't miss that, and please realize that none of us are qualified to dispute this conclusion.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! You keep putting lipstick on this pig, but it's still a pig. Palestinians are Arabs no different than their Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian brethren.

Roudy, I never knew ANYONE involved in this issue who was more out of touch with reality than you. Good info has been presented, and yet you are electing to believe your own fantasies.
Rrrrright! Enmity claims "Jews have been converting willingly to Islam for over two millenia".

How so dipstick?! Islam is only 1400 years, and most if not all Muslim lands were by conquest and forced conversions. You really need to update your garbage propaganda. This is all old crap that has been debunked like a million times.

How about we hear what other Arabs and "Palestinians" themselves have said:

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -

What other Arabs declared after the Six-Day War:

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".
- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -

“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
“We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
“When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”.
- Former PLO terrorist.

AN INVENTED FLAG FOR AN INVENTED PEOPLE!

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That's not correct, many Jews have chosen to convert over the millennia. And there is one religious philosophy that MOST Jews have defected to in fact, and that is secularism.

By the way, did you know that when Jerusalem was captured by the Crusaders (I think this was the second crusade), they ATE the inhabitants?!?!? Yes, Muslim and Jewish and even a few Christians, they ATE them! I used to hear this when I was in the Middle East and thought it was just empty propaganda, but when I took history in college, OMG, it turned out to be true.

Link? Proof? I would like to have something better than you saying this happened. I have never heard of it.

Thank you.

I would be interested in this too. I took history in college too -- both ancient history and modern history -- and I never learned of this. Maybe if someone is educated in a madrassa, this is part of the history curriculum.

So amity, there's two of us waiting for some substantiation claim of cannibalism. Still. :doubt:
 
Link? Proof? I would like to have something better than you saying this happened. I have never heard of it.

Thank you.

I would be interested in this too. I took history in college too -- both ancient history and modern history -- and I never learned of this. Maybe if someone is educated in a madrassa, this is part of the history curriculum.

So amity, there's two of us waiting for some substantiation claim of cannibalism. Still. :doubt:
...and Jews "willingly" converting to Islam, for over two millenia. That, I gotta see. Tell you what, just show me Jews converting to Islam in large numbers willingly, ANYTIME in history. :rofl:
 
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