Gen. Flynn case about to blow up in Dimwinger's faces.

[Faun]

you are using Sara Carter as your source Jim, aren't you....? what do you expect?

No, I have used multiple sources and the FBI's OWN STATEMENTS.

They have publicly admitted to tricking Flynn into doing his interview unaware it was a part of a criminal investigation, which denied him (they dont admit this part) his Miranda rights. It also, ironically, takes Flynn off the hook for perjuring himself since his statement was not made with knowledge that he was attesting to facts in a criminal investigation to start with. He said he couldnt recall if he had talked to Russians, then the FBI changed the notes from the meeting to say he claimed he did not and THE FBI ADMITS TO IT!

So either read the links I gave or stop lying about it.

The FBI was engaging in criminal behavior and no American should be as OK with this as you Democrats are since you think it is a 'win', doh!

STOP IT WITH THE LIES!

YOU DO NOT FOOL ANYONE BUT YOURSELF.

That's a lie. They told him there was an investigation. What they didn't tell him was it's a crime to lie to them. And they didn't have to read him Miranda rights because he was not in custody.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Our 'justice' system does not try to give us justice or search for Truth.
They only try to give you due legal process.
When they pile on a dozen times the charges when you maybe broke one law, that is judicial process not a search for Truth. They want a plea bargain and they could not care less if it is true or not. They want their 'win' and nothing else.

I'm not retarded, and you seem to be the product of brainwashing.... USA BAD.... Everything is unfair, everybody is out to get me, deep state, deep state, deep state....

Lol, you dont know what thell you are talking about.

When a car driver is pulled over and his cash seized under Asset forfeiture laws, is that just, or just due process?

When the DA takes your one plausible crime and turns it into a dozen to coerce you into a plea, is that just?

When the government knows that the legal costs of defending yourself in court can become quickly prohibitive and force you into a plea, is that Just?

Of course our system is not perfect, but you lying Dimocrats are exploiting the problem and making it worse IN ADDITION to imprisoning innocent people that get in your way like Carter Page and and General Flynn.

 

[JimBowie1958]

3) Why are you OK with the FBI not turning over all the Brady evidence requested?

What did the judge determine, and reasoning?

If you have a point then make it, dont hide behind Fed Ex requests, I am not fetching your data for you.

 

[JimBowie1958]

3) Why are you OK with the FBI not turning over all the Brady evidence requested?

What did the judge determine, and reasoning?

Can you read it?

 

[JimBowie1958]

2) It is NOT illegal to lie to the FBI unless what you say is known to you as being part of a criminal investigation or you have taken an oath to tell the Truth. So how is Flynn guilty of perjury if the criminal nature of the interview was hidden from him?

All of that is simply not true.... this was also addressed by the court.

Bullshit.

Citing legalistic horse crap because the judge may be taking bribes under the table or has bias against political rivals is not addressing a damned thing.

If the FBI does not tell you that an interview is part of a criminal investigation it is not a crime or perjury, idiot.

 

[Mac-7]

Again, there was no underlying crime

this was a Gotcha event by the Deep State that was looking for dirt on trump

Underlying crimes are irrelevant. You won't find that strawman in that statute either.

The lack of an underlying crime is relevant because the FBI does not have enough people, money or time to go after all the real crimes floating around Washington and should not be piddling away its efforts on tacky-tack bullshit

Still not relevant. Lying to the FBI is still a crime. Just like lying under oath. What was Bill Clinton's underlying crime? What was Scooter Libby's underlying crime? Yet they both faced prosecution for lying under oath or to federal investigators.

The FBI agents that interviewed Flynn said he did not lie...the deep state set him up for a fall....come on man you know that is true by now don't you?...Flynn will walk even if it takes a presidential pardon....and the people will stand behind it as well....

That's not what they said. What they said was, "[Flynn] did not give any indicators of deception." Meaning his demeanor was not indicative of lying. Not that he wasn't lying. We know he lied. He even admitted it. Pence admitted it. Impeached Trump admitted to it. Flynn even pled guilty to lying to them.

Flynn had no reason to lie

or, if his lawyer advised him to say nothing the rogue FBI agents would have had NOTHING to use against flynn because there was no underlying crime

but no lawyer was there because flynn was not advised of his miranda rights

 

[Mac-7]

Flynn can go to trial if he wants... can't he? now that he pulled out of his plea deal and it appears to be over, no? let a jury of 12 decide....

Flynn ran out of money and had to plead guilty as the lessor of two evils

 

[Mac-7]

Again, there was no underlying crime

this was a Gotcha event by the Deep State that was looking for dirt on trump

Underlying crimes are irrelevant. You won't find that strawman in that statute either.

The lack of an underlying crime is relevant because the FBI does not have enough people, money or time to go after all the real crimes floating around Washington and should not be piddling away its efforts on tacky-tack bullshit

Still not relevant. Lying to the FBI is still a crime. Just like lying under oath. What was Bill Clinton's underlying crime? What was Scooter Libby's underlying crime? Yet they both faced prosecution for lying under oath or to federal investigators.

See post #475 above

none of us were there

but when the FBI agents themselves do not agree...

See post #548

See post #587

 

[Mac-7]

FBI agents involved said in their reports that he did NOT lie.

And further investigation determined that he DID lie.

Is that why the FBI admitted it lied about Flynn’s 302?

The ones that lied were the Obama freaks in the FBI railroading this guy.

What was the lie on the 302?

Accusing flynn of lying just to entrap trump

Oh? How did that entrap Impeached Trump?

It was an entrapment of flynn hoping he would read from an anti trump script given to him by the Deep State

 

[Rambunctious]

Again, there was no underlying crime

this was a Gotcha event by the Deep State that was looking for dirt on trump

Underlying crimes are irrelevant. You won't find that strawman in that statute either.

The lack of an underlying crime is relevant because the FBI does not have enough people, money or time to go after all the real crimes floating around Washington and should not be piddling away its efforts on tacky-tack bullshit

Still not relevant. Lying to the FBI is still a crime. Just like lying under oath. What was Bill Clinton's underlying crime? What was Scooter Libby's underlying crime? Yet they both faced prosecution for lying under oath or to federal investigators.

The FBI agents that interviewed Flynn said he did not lie...the deep state set him up for a fall....come on man you know that is true by now don't you?...Flynn will walk even if it takes a presidential pardon....and the people will stand behind it as well....

That's not what they said. What they said was, "[Flynn] did not give any indicators of deception." Meaning his demeanor was not indicative of lying. Not that he wasn't lying. We know he lied. He even admitted it. Pence admitted it. Impeached Trump admitted to it. Flynn even pled guilty to lying to them.

You are just repeating Comey's description of the meeting and he has been proven to be dishonest...what does that make you?...

 

[Faun]

Underlying crimes are irrelevant. You won't find that strawman in that statute either.

The lack of an underlying crime is relevant because the FBI does not have enough people, money or time to go after all the real crimes floating around Washington and should not be piddling away its efforts on tacky-tack bullshit

Still not relevant. Lying to the FBI is still a crime. Just like lying under oath. What was Bill Clinton's underlying crime? What was Scooter Libby's underlying crime? Yet they both faced prosecution for lying under oath or to federal investigators.

The FBI agents that interviewed Flynn said he did not lie...the deep state set him up for a fall....come on man you know that is true by now don't you?...Flynn will walk even if it takes a presidential pardon....and the people will stand behind it as well....

That's not what they said. What they said was, "[Flynn] did not give any indicators of deception." Meaning his demeanor was not indicative of lying. Not that he wasn't lying. We know he lied. He even admitted it. Pence admitted it. Impeached Trump admitted to it. Flynn even pled guilty to lying to them.

You are just repeating Comey's description of the meeting and he has been proven to be dishonest...what does that make you?...

LOL

I quoted FBI notes from their meeting.

Does that mean Flynn didn't admit he lied? Does that mean Pence didn't admit Flynn lied? Does that mean Impeached Trump didn't admit Flynn lied?

 

[Rambunctious]

The lack of an underlying crime is relevant because the FBI does not have enough people, money or time to go after all the real crimes floating around Washington and should not be piddling away its efforts on tacky-tack bullshit

Still not relevant. Lying to the FBI is still a crime. Just like lying under oath. What was Bill Clinton's underlying crime? What was Scooter Libby's underlying crime? Yet they both faced prosecution for lying under oath or to federal investigators.

The FBI agents that interviewed Flynn said he did not lie...the deep state set him up for a fall....come on man you know that is true by now don't you?...Flynn will walk even if it takes a presidential pardon....and the people will stand behind it as well....

That's not what they said. What they said was, "[Flynn] did not give any indicators of deception." Meaning his demeanor was not indicative of lying. Not that he wasn't lying. We know he lied. He even admitted it. Pence admitted it. Impeached Trump admitted to it. Flynn even pled guilty to lying to them.

You are just repeating Comey's description of the meeting and he has been proven to be dishonest...what does that make you?...

LOL

I quoted FBI notes from their meeting.

Does that mean Flynn didn't admit he lied? Does that mean Pence didn't admit Flynn lied? Does that mean Impeached Trump didn't admit Flynn lied?

 

[Faun]

Still not relevant. Lying to the FBI is still a crime. Just like lying under oath. What was Bill Clinton's underlying crime? What was Scooter Libby's underlying crime? Yet they both faced prosecution for lying under oath or to federal investigators.

The FBI agents that interviewed Flynn said he did not lie...the deep state set him up for a fall....come on man you know that is true by now don't you?...Flynn will walk even if it takes a presidential pardon....and the people will stand behind it as well....

That's not what they said. What they said was, "[Flynn] did not give any indicators of deception." Meaning his demeanor was not indicative of lying. Not that he wasn't lying. We know he lied. He even admitted it. Pence admitted it. Impeached Trump admitted to it. Flynn even pled guilty to lying to them.

You are just repeating Comey's description of the meeting and he has been proven to be dishonest...what does that make you?...

LOL

I quoted FBI notes from their meeting.

Does that mean Flynn didn't admit he lied? Does that mean Pence didn't admit Flynn lied? Does that mean Impeached Trump didn't admit Flynn lied?

Your surrender is graciously accepted.

 

[Rambunctious]

The FBI agents that interviewed Flynn said he did not lie...the deep state set him up for a fall....come on man you know that is true by now don't you?...Flynn will walk even if it takes a presidential pardon....and the people will stand behind it as well....

That's not what they said. What they said was, "[Flynn] did not give any indicators of deception." Meaning his demeanor was not indicative of lying. Not that he wasn't lying. We know he lied. He even admitted it. Pence admitted it. Impeached Trump admitted to it. Flynn even pled guilty to lying to them.

You are just repeating Comey's description of the meeting and he has been proven to be dishonest...what does that make you?...

LOL

I quoted FBI notes from their meeting.

Does that mean Flynn didn't admit he lied? Does that mean Pence didn't admit Flynn lied? Does that mean Impeached Trump didn't admit Flynn lied?

Your surrender is graciously accepted.

 

[Care4all]

Underlying crimes are irrelevant. You won't find that strawman in that statute either.

The lack of an underlying crime is relevant because the FBI does not have enough people, money or time to go after all the real crimes floating around Washington and should not be piddling away its efforts on tacky-tack bullshit

Still not relevant. Lying to the FBI is still a crime. Just like lying under oath. What was Bill Clinton's underlying crime? What was Scooter Libby's underlying crime? Yet they both faced prosecution for lying under oath or to federal investigators.

The FBI agents that interviewed Flynn said he did not lie...the deep state set him up for a fall....come on man you know that is true by now don't you?...Flynn will walk even if it takes a presidential pardon....and the people will stand behind it as well....

That's not what they said. What they said was, "[Flynn] did not give any indicators of deception." Meaning his demeanor was not indicative of lying. Not that he wasn't lying. We know he lied. He even admitted it. Pence admitted it. Impeached Trump admitted to it. Flynn even pled guilty to lying to them.

Flynn had no reason to lie

or, if his lawyer advised him to say nothing the rogue FBI agents would have had NOTHING to use against flynn because there was no underlying crime

but no lawyer was there because flynn was not advised of his miranda rights

You have to be in law enforcement custody first, and then them questioning you, to be given Miranda rights. L/E can arrest you, and charge you, and never question you after the arrest, and they never give you your Miranda rights warning, because they do not apply, EXCEPT IF BEING QUESTIONED after an arrest and in their custody.

If they never question you in their custody, you are never given your Miranda warning.

The Flynn case judge addressed this, in the court, and it is in the court transcripts covering it as well.

AND if you are being questioned by law enforcement, and voluntarily come in for the L/E questioning, if you are not arrested and in their custody, miranda rights are not given...

UNLESS you say you don't want to answer the question, or request a lawyer... when you do that, then all questioning has to stop by L/E, and the investigators let you get your lawyer.... is what I just read...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The FBI agents involved said in their reports that he did NOT lie.

Lie.

 

[Care4all]

haven't you ever seen on tv, the police detectives questioning people in a closed room, with just the person being questioned in the room with no lawyers?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yet is flynn had told the FBI “Sure I talked to the russians” ,which is not a crime, that would be the end of it

100% wrong. Flynn lied about the content of those discussions.

 

[Care4all]

the FBI NEVER SAID Flynn did not lie... they said he showed no SIGNS of lying, (even though they knew he was lying)

No SIGNS, as in fidgeting, sweaty palms or forehead, blinking etc....

And Flynn was not being questioned by the FBI for committing a crime, but for counter intelligence information for their official investigation.... Flynn choosing to lie to them, about a conversation he had just 2 weeks earlier, involved with their counter intelligence investigation, was the grounds for charging him with lying to official investigators....

if Flynn had lied during this questioning about how tall he was, what color shirt he was wearing, or any number of things NOT involved with their official investigation, then he could not be charged with lying to official investigators, it had to be a lie involved with why he was being questioned and that topic of the investigation

 

[Care4all]

If that was Obama's national security advisor or personal lawyer, or campaign manager, or deputy campaign manager -- would you be talking all of that "its just a technicality" shit??

Flynn if not accused of any crime of substance but rather for making misstatements to the FBI

Lying to the FBI is a pretty substantial charge. Clinton was impeached for lying about a consensual blowjob. Flynn lied about secretly dealing with Russia on behalf of Trump's campaign.

What lie did flynn tell?

He is not accused of any other crime except a misstatement given without legal council present

Not true. He spoke with Russian officials on what to do about Obama's sanctions. Then he lied about it. Then Pence, based on Flynn's lies, told falsehoods. Then Flynn lied again. Then he got caught.

The Mueller report's account of Michael Flynn's lies

Yet is flynn had told the FBI “Sure I talked to the russians” ,which is not a crime, that would be the end of it

Flynn was called by Andrew McCabe before the FBI Investigators came to talk with him, and given a heads up that they were coming to talk to him about his calls with Ambassador Kislyak, so Flynn was well aware their questions would be about what he and Kislyak discussed.

Then, the court documents say, that Flynn joked back with McCabe with a comment something like, why talk with me when they likely have the recordings...?

Do I feel sorry for Flynn... yes, certainly... but more in the sense that it's sad to see him involved in things that I would have never imagined... in my perceived views of a General and his ingrained honor.... not the crap with the Turks, being an agent of a foreign power without legally declaring it, and being stupid enough to LIE about the content of his conversations with the Russian Ambassador to the gosh darn FBI, when he KNEW from his years and years of experience, that the Russian Ambassador's calls, were monitored... and why would he lie to VP Pence and Priebus about it? And then let Priebus and Pence go out and lie to the American people about it? What the heck?

That's simply bonkers for a General and a previous head of National Intelligence to do.... doesn't it seem bonkers to you??

So, my thoughts are... either the good Lord stupefied him... thus the revealing of his lying character....

Or, maybe he wanted to cover, for the commander n chief elect, who likely told him to talk with Kislyak and tell him to ignore the new US sanctions by Obama and kicking out all the Russian operative diplomats, and not retaliate.. and to do this in secret.....? And the good military entrenched man the General was...

for some reason, was trying to take a hit, for the commander n chief elect???



The lesson learned, is always tell the truth....when the FBI is questioning you...because they likely know the answers to some of those questions they ask, before they ask them...