Gaza's Children Face "Bombs Disguised as Toys"

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[Hypatia415]

Over a thousand years ago.

I do not think Pastor Wilson nor the late Mr Kirk were around a thousand years ago

Ancient history.

You never use the decimal point? You never studied algebra?

How many Muslims are drinking distilled alcohol today? DURR

It was initially proscribed but we know that certainly in Persia wine was consumed. Remember Omar Khayam's Rubaiyat?

No new muslim advances lately? Besides killing infidels?

Royan Institute’s Advanced Cellular Technologies Elevate Iran to 7th Place Worldwide in Advanced Therapy Medicinal Products (ATMPs)

Royan Institute stands among the region’s leading scientific centers, with internationally recognized expertise in stem cell science, reproductive medicine, biotechnology, and regenerative medicine.

www.royan.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

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The BBC would like to thank Hamas for giving us this evidence.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

I think I have the measure of you and various other contributors to this thread.

You all appear to hold the simplistic assumption:

Arabs/Palestinians/Muslims all bad.
Israel all good.

Well, I mean...Palestinians had 20 years in Gaza to build a Muslim utopia and they built a cult instead.

 

[Hypatia415]

Well, I mean...Palestinians had 20 years in Gaza to build a Muslim utopia and they built a cult instead.

As I have noted Israel helped in the creation of Hamas in order to split Fatah. Hence the monster was, in part, of its own making.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

As I have noted Israel helped in the creation of Hamas in order to split Fatah. Hence the monster was, in part, of its own making.

Palestinians still chose to strap bombs on their kids and blow them up on buses.

Palestinians still chose to dig up pipes to make rockets.

Palestinians still chose to do 10/7.

Are they not adults? Do they not bear any responsibility for their actions? Aren't you just making things worse by indulging their delusions like how they're not to blame for the terrorist groups they formed?

Blaming Jews for the independent actions of Muslim terrorists is certainly a choice. An antisemitic one. Do you also blame women for being SA'd because of what their wear or how they act?

 

[Hypatia415]

Palestinians still chose to strap bombs on their kids and blow them up on buses.

We know about radicalisation

Palestinians still chose to dig up pipes to make rockets.

If you were an occupied people what would you do?

Palestinians still chose to do 10/7.

Some did. Not all.

Are they not adults? Do they not bear any responsibility for their actions? Aren't you just making things worse by indulging their delusions like how they're not to blame for the terrorist groups they formed?

Of course they do and I am not attempting exonerate the atrocities perpetrated by Palestinians either in 2023 or before that.

However there are some very pertinent lines from W H Auden's September 1, 1939

I and the public know
What all schoolchildren learn,
Those to whom evil is done
Do evil in return.

Blaming Jews for the independent actions of Muslim terrorists is certainly a choice. An antisemitic one.

I am not blaming Jews. Furthermore plenty of Jews also criticise Israel for its policies towards the Palestinians. B'Tselem is a long established Israeli civil and human rights organisation that reports and comments on Israeli actions.

The old ploy that any such criticism of Israel is anti-Semitism is nonsense and is intended to intimidate and/or silence any who dare to challenge its policies towards the Palestinians.

Do you also blame women for being SA'd because of what their wear or how they act?

Of course I do not. Many Muslim regimes are monstrous but they are not wholeheartedly supported by all the people within the the countries where they dominate.

This is the ridiculous generalisation that you and others make about "Muslims".

 

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Well, I mean...Palestinians had 20 years in Gaza to build a Muslim utopia and they built a cult instead.

Interesting fantasy.

https://www.amazon.com/Accidental-Empire-Israel-Settlements-1967-1977/dp/0805082417/?tag=usmb-20

 

[Concerned American]

Your dismissive remarks about various Israeli historians indicate you are not overly keen to assess that country's history through a more nuanced lens.

Never heard propaganda referred to in those terms ^^.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

We know about radicalisation

Indoctrination would be more appropriate. Hamas spent 20 years indoctrinating the people of Gaza into a death cult that places martyrdom above everything else including statehood. Hamas has not held democratic elections in Gaza since Israel withdrew 20 years ago. Instead, they tightened their grip, eliminated rivals and competitors and enlisted child soldiers, some of whom participated in 10/7.

If you were an occupied people what would you do?

Israel hadn't occupied Gaza for 20 years. Every single Jew, alive and deceased, were removed and everything was handed over to the Palestinians. Including vital infrastructure they dug up to make rockets and build tunnels. Palestinians could have created a Singapore in the Middle East but instead created another jihadist terror state. And they had plenty of time and resources to build a utopia. The #1 Palestinian import the year before the war was concrete. Followed by raw sugar, cars, pre-packed baked goods, and perfume.

Perfume.

Perfume was the #5 Palestinian import in 2023, at approximately $66M. So it's kinda hard to legitimately claim you're occupied when you're importing concrete, cars, bread, and perfume.

 

[westwall]

As I have noted Israel helped in the creation of Hamas in order to split Fatah. Hence the monster was, in part, of its own making.

Possibly. However Gaza could have been Monaco of the east, but instead the Palestinians decided to build rockets and kill Jews.

 

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Perfume.

That's a really good excuse, but that's all it is.

Israel restricted the import of nearly everything before the slaughter.

They allowed in just enough food to comply with international law, no more. They restricted medicine, travel in or out, business would find needed supplies held up. So they were not far from malnourished, the supply of medicines was inadequate, etc.

It's worse now, of course.

If you can think, you should be able to figure out why perfume is popular...

 

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Possibly. However Gaza could have been Monaco of the east, but instead the Palestinians decided to build rockets and kill Jews.

Nope.

https://www.amazon.com/Accidental-Empire-Israel-Settlements-1967-1977/dp/0805082417/?tag=usmb-20

 

[Hypatia415]

Possibly.

No "possibly" about it. Israel did help in the creation of Hamas and for years Netanyahu's policies helped prop up that group.

From 2023

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

www.timesofisrael.com

Gazans celebrate by a destroyed Israeli tank at the broken Israel-Gaza border fence, east of Khan Younis, October 7, 2023. (AP/Yousef Masoud)
For years, the various governments led by Benjamin Netanyahu took an approach that divided power between the Gaza Strip and the West Bank — bringing Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas to his knees while making moves that propped up the Hamas terror group.

The idea was to prevent Abbas — or anyone else in the Palestinian Authority’s West Bank government — from advancing toward the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Thus, amid this bid to impair Abbas, Hamas was upgraded from a mere terror group to an organization with which Israel held indirect negotiations via Egypt, and one that was allowed to receive infusions of cash from abroad.

However Gaza could have been Monaco of the east, but instead the Palestinians decided to build rockets and kill Jews.

Why would it want to be the "Monaco of the east"?

 

[Concerned American]

Israel restricted the import of nearly everything before the slaughter.

Was that before or after Oct. 7? Reap what the have sown?

They restricted medicine, travel in or out

Southern border is with Egypt--did they restrict that border as well? Of course not--Egypt doesn't want their terrorism either.

 

[AnOrangeCat]

Some did. Not all.

Who were the Palestinians who tried to prevent 10/7 or warn the Israelis an attack was imminent?

Who were the Palestinians who helped the hostages when they were dragged into Gaza?

"Very Fine People" rhetoric doesn't work on me. You cannot make the assumption that somewhere in Gaza, there were Palestinians who didn't participate in or support what happened on 10/7.

We have tons and tons of video that proves the opposite as well as testimony from hostages as young as 11. Do you not believe them because they're Jews? Why do you not believe them when they say the entire population came out to lynch them? There's video of all of it and in 2 years, not one single Palestinian lifted a finger to help the hostages escape captivity. Even in Nazi Germany, there were Germans who put themselves at great risk to save Jews from the Nazis. No such people exist in Gaza because they are in a death cult.

Of course they do and I am not attempting exonerate the atrocities perpetrated by Palestinians either in 2023 or before that.

But you did when you tried to say there were Palestinians who didn't support any of that. Hard to believe given the evidence I see with my own eyes.

 

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Was that before or after Oct. 7? Reap what the have sown?

Southern border is with Egypt--did they restrict that border as well? Of course not--Egypt doesn't want their terrorism either.

Learn to read.

"Yes. Before October 7, Israel and Egypt jointly maintained a strict blockade on the Gaza Strip, tightly controlling and heavily restricting the flow of goods.."
Wiki

 

[Hypatia415]

Indoctrination would be more appropriate.

Call it what you like. It works as most religions know.

Hamas spent 20 years indoctrinating the people of Gaza into a death cult that places martyrdom above everything else including statehood. Hamas has not held democratic elections in Gaza since Israel withdrew 20 years ago.

I agree that no elections have been called since 2006 but that election was democratic. However, the last three years have somewhat hampered any attempt to have elections.

Instead, they tightened their grip, eliminated rivals and competitors and enlisted child soldiers, some of whom participated in 10/7.

I do not recall reading about child soldiers. Do you have a link?

Israel hadn't occupied Gaza for 20 years. Every single Jew, alive and deceased, were removed and everything was handed over to the Palestinians. Including vital infrastructure they dug up to make rockets and build tunnels.

I am not condoning or championing Hamas but as I have pointed out, Israel helped create and sustain its own monster (Mary Shelley reference there)

Palestinians could have created a Singapore in the Middle East

Oh another suggestion for what Gaza might have become. westwall suggested Monaco. So why would Palestinians want to create "a Singapore in the Middle East"?

but instead created another jihadist terror state. And they had plenty of time and resources to build a utopia. The #1 Palestinian import the year before the war was concrete. Followed by raw sugar, cars, pre-packed baked goods, and perfume.

People need to eat and get about.

Perfume.

Perfume was the #5 Palestinian import in 2023, at approximately $66M. So it's kinda hard to legitimately claim you're occupied when you're importing concrete, cars, bread, and perfume.

Perfume is an interesting import. Not being au fait with all Muslim festivals or funerary practises perchance it was also required for such events.