Consenting adults doesn't allow for several relationships, all having to with imbalances in power and potential of abuse- a doctor and a patient- a counselor and counselee- father/daughter- brother/sister would all have the potential for similar problems.
Gay marriage vs. pulygamy
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Consenting adults doesn't allow for several relationships, all having to with imbalances in power and potential of abuse- a doctor and a patient- a counselor and counselee- father/daughter- brother/sister would all have the potential for similar problems.
hortysir
In Memorial of 47
It also didn't used to allow for same sex either, but........
There is no polygamy in nature. No more than there is any other kind of marriage in nature.
'What is most beneficial for the growth of civilization'?
Wow that opens up all sorts of possibilities.
Should we make it illegal for married couples to use contraceptives? Since that would be the most beneficial for growth?
Flopper
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No, we have laws against incest because the offspring of biologically related parents are subject to the impacts of inbreeding. In addition, incestuous relationships often result in serious mental health problems. Of the different types of marriage, gay marriage is the least likely to cause problems for society because there are no offspring.
hortysir
In Memorial of 47
Yes. Of course.
I also understood the reasons we used to have for denying same sex marriages. But we were eventually convinced that these concerns were unfounded.
hortysir
In Memorial of 47
And we used to have blood tests to try to get ahead of that. Do any states still require it?
hipeter924
Not a zombie yet
Some Mormons did it in the past for sure.
DriftingSand
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Mainly because gay men are like straight men, they enjoy their families. And they aren't deviants little ***-hater, but you are now.Your "best for the children" argument doesn't work in court, and when it comes up it goes against you. How long before you figure that out?
Because you may have heard that the US Supreme Court has met to Decide on a date to hear the marriage equality arguments. Marriage equality in theory would be for all if the SCOTUS takes away the current state-defined privelege and turns it into a federally-forced right. For all, not just your pet alternative sexual lifestyle favorites..
Harming kids eh? You mean like guaranteeing the state that you would deprive children in your home of the vital complimentary gender as parent/role model 100% of the time...just like single parent households do?
If I were the judge then I wouldn't allow children to be raised in queer households. The fact that many of today's judges DO allow it is evidence that they're likely fags.
Why would a pair of sexual deviants want kids in the house to begin with if not to take their sexual fantasies and depraved activities to the next level (the lowest level)?
"They enjoy their families?" Didn't know they were giving birth all of a sudden. Which brings up another point ... I don't think it's "fair" that they can't reproduce like normal couples can. Shouldn't there be a law for that?
WinterBorn
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Mainly because gay men are like straight men, they enjoy their families. And they aren't deviants little ***-hater, but you are now.Your "best for the children" argument doesn't work in court, and when it comes up it goes against you. How long before you figure that out?
Because you may have heard that the US Supreme Court has met to Decide on a date to hear the marriage equality arguments. Marriage equality in theory would be for all if the SCOTUS takes away the current state-defined privelege and turns it into a federally-forced right. For all, not just your pet alternative sexual lifestyle favorites..
Harming kids eh? You mean like guaranteeing the state that you would deprive children in your home of the vital complimentary gender as parent/role model 100% of the time...just like single parent households do?
If I were the judge then I wouldn't allow children to be raised in queer households. The fact that many of today's judges DO allow it is evidence that they're likely fags.
Why would a pair of sexual deviants want kids in the house to begin with if not to take their sexual fantasies and depraved activities to the next level (the lowest level)?
"They enjoy their families?" Didn't know they were giving birth all of a sudden. Which brings up another point ... I don't think it's "fair" that they can't reproduce like normal couples can. Shouldn't there be a law for that?
Gay couples can adopt or use a surrogate to have kids. There are also plenty who came out later in life, having had kids before doing so.
Seawytch
Information isnt Advocacy
What we also see historically with Polygamy is that it is abandoned as the civilization progresses towards 1st world status.
A new study out of the University of British Columbia documents how societies have systematically evolved away from polygamy because of the social problems it causes. The Canadian researchers are really talking about polygyny, which is the term for one man with multiple wives, and which is by far the most common expression of polygamy. Women are usually thought of as the primary victims of polygynous marriages, but as cultural anthropologist Joe Henrich documents, the institution also causes problems for the young, low-status males denied wives by older, wealthy men who have hoarded all the women. And those young men create problems for everybody.
“Monogamous marriage reduces crime,” Henrich and colleagues write, pulling together studies showing that polygynous societies create large numbers of unmarried men, whose presence is correlated with increased rates of rape, theft, murder, and substance abuse. According to Henrich, the problem with unmarried men appears to come primarily from their lack of investment in family life and in children. Young men without futures tend to engage in riskier behaviors because they have less to lose. And, too, they may engage in certain crimes to get wives—stealing to amass enough wealth to attract women, or kidnapping other men’s wives.[...]
That polygyny is bad for women is not necessarily intuitive. As economist Robert H. Frank has pointed out women in polygynist marriages should have more power because they’re in greater demand, and men should wind up changing more diapers. But historically, polygamy has proved to be yet another setup that screws the XX set. Because there are never enough of them to go around, they wind up being married off younger. Brothers and fathers, realizing how valuable their female relations are, tend to control them more. And, as one would expect, polygynous households foster jealousy and conflict among co-wives. Ethnographic surveys of 69 polygamous cultures “reveals no case where co-wife relations could be described as harmonious,” Henrich writes, with what must be a good dose of understatement.
The Problems with Polygamy
“Monogamous marriage reduces crime,” Henrich and colleagues write, pulling together studies showing that polygynous societies create large numbers of unmarried men, whose presence is correlated with increased rates of rape, theft, murder, and substance abuse. According to Henrich, the problem with unmarried men appears to come primarily from their lack of investment in family life and in children. Young men without futures tend to engage in riskier behaviors because they have less to lose. And, too, they may engage in certain crimes to get wives—stealing to amass enough wealth to attract women, or kidnapping other men’s wives.[...]
That polygyny is bad for women is not necessarily intuitive. As economist Robert H. Frank has pointed out women in polygynist marriages should have more power because they’re in greater demand, and men should wind up changing more diapers. But historically, polygamy has proved to be yet another setup that screws the XX set. Because there are never enough of them to go around, they wind up being married off younger. Brothers and fathers, realizing how valuable their female relations are, tend to control them more. And, as one would expect, polygynous households foster jealousy and conflict among co-wives. Ethnographic surveys of 69 polygamous cultures “reveals no case where co-wife relations could be described as harmonious,” Henrich writes, with what must be a good dose of understatement.
The Problems with Polygamy
DriftingSand
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Mainly because gay men are like straight men, they enjoy their families. And they aren't deviants little ***-hater, but you are now.Your "best for the children" argument doesn't work in court, and when it comes up it goes against you. How long before you figure that out?Because you may have heard that the US Supreme Court has met to Decide on a date to hear the marriage equality arguments. Marriage equality in theory would be for all if the SCOTUS takes away the current state-defined privelege and turns it into a federally-forced right. For all, not just your pet alternative sexual lifestyle favorites..
Harming kids eh? You mean like guaranteeing the state that you would deprive children in your home of the vital complimentary gender as parent/role model 100% of the time...just like single parent households do?
If I were the judge then I wouldn't allow children to be raised in queer households. The fact that many of today's judges DO allow it is evidence that they're likely fags.
Why would a pair of sexual deviants want kids in the house to begin with if not to take their sexual fantasies and depraved activities to the next level (the lowest level)?
"They enjoy their families?" Didn't know they were giving birth all of a sudden. Which brings up another point ... I don't think it's "fair" that they can't reproduce like normal couples can. Shouldn't there be a law for that?
Gay couples can adopt or use a surrogate to have kids. There are also plenty who came out later in life, having had kids before doing so.
Sin often reveals itself after years of dormancy. Regardless ... wrong will never be right no matter how tightly we squeeze our eyes and dream.
WinterBorn
Diamond Member
Are we discussing legal issues concerning marriage or sin and religious beliefs?
Seawytch
Information isnt Advocacy
Mainly because gay men are like straight men, they enjoy their families. And they aren't deviants little ***-hater, but you are now.Your "best for the children" argument doesn't work in court, and when it comes up it goes against you. How long before you figure that out?
Because you may have heard that the US Supreme Court has met to Decide on a date to hear the marriage equality arguments. Marriage equality in theory would be for all if the SCOTUS takes away the current state-defined privelege and turns it into a federally-forced right. For all, not just your pet alternative sexual lifestyle favorites..
Harming kids eh? You mean like guaranteeing the state that you would deprive children in your home of the vital complimentary gender as parent/role model 100% of the time...just like single parent households do?
If I were the judge then I wouldn't allow children to be raised in queer households. The fact that many of today's judges DO allow it is evidence that they're likely fags.
Why would a pair of sexual deviants want kids in the house to begin with if not to take their sexual fantasies and depraved activities to the next level (the lowest level)?
"They enjoy their families?" Didn't know they were giving birth all of a sudden. Which brings up another point ... I don't think it's "fair" that they can't reproduce like normal couples can. Shouldn't there be a law for that?
If you'd like to try to pass a law that would prohibit the use of IVF or AI...go ahead. It can't just be for gay folks though...straight folks would have to be banned as well.
NYcarbineer
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Not quite true. The argument for the right to enter into a legally recognized same sex marriage is that opposite sex monogamous marriages are legally recognized and same sex monogamous marriages are sufficiently similar to qualify for the same rights under equal protection.
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DriftingSand
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They (Christian tenets and societal laws) should go hand in hand. But more than anything I'm (I don't know about anyone else) discussing common sense issues. Common sense dictates (regardless of the law or religious beliefs) that male parts are made for female parts. That's clear and obvious. One look at the animal kingdom (and the overwhelming manner by which male animals routinely choose female counterparts) and the issue is resolved (for anyone with common sense).
DriftingSand
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The Fetus I save ISN'T gay. Proper training and good examples will show that baby the difference between right and wrong. There is no "gay" gene.
Luddly Neddite
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"They (Christian tenets and societal laws) should go hand in hand."
No, they should not. I get tired of reminding posters of our First Amendment, but you're talking about sharia law. Religion should never ever be considered.
What you consider to be "common sense" is nothing more than your opinion. You're more than welcome to that opinion but, to date, I have not seen anyone come up with a reason why they should be able to dictate their position to others.
The private lives of others is none of your business.
Luddly Neddite
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The Fetus I save ISN'T gay. Proper training and good examples will show that baby the difference between right and wrong. There is no "gay" gene.
Again, you're confusing opinion with fact.
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