Gavin Newsom: The New Jefferson Davis?

[Foxfyre]

We are not helpless.

When the President of the United States is unable to enforce Federal Law then he can declare a jurisdiction to be in rebellion.

But it is not necessary to take it that far.

All he needs to do is to have US Marshals arrest such officials and charge them appropriately and declare their positions vacant.

Again there are politics to be considered. We are not a monarchy or dictatorship in which the head of state can do whatever he or she wants with impunity.

What do we gain if we do what needs to be done but in the process lose the hearts and minds of the people so that in the next election the people who approve and encourage lawlessness are back in power? We lose the Congress and the White House next and those who intend to make the USA as totalitarian state have full license to move us in that direction?

To move faster than the will of the people might win the battle, but will always lose us the war.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Interesting that Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris, Karen Bass and other Dems are in open defiance of Federal Law and the United States Government. This has not happened since the Democrat Massive resistance in the 1950's and 1960's fighting integration and Civil Rights, and prior to that the Civil War supporting slavery.

The Trump Administration is simply enforcing Federal Law, which is their job. Newsom, Harris, and Bass among other Dems, are in open defiance of enforcement of Federal Law, are doing nothing to support or protect Federal Law enforcement and openly stating they will defy the Federal Government. Isn't this what the Confederacy did?

Without question these actions are a rebellion, an insurrection against the Lawful enforcement of Federal Law. How can these rebels stand?


Discuss.


rightwinger
Mac1958
Foxfyre
PoliticalChic

Trump said Homan should arrest Newsom, but can't see that happening.

 

[the watcher]

I don't see Newsom as Jefferson Davis, more like Samy Davis Jr.

 

[Kondor3]

Again there are politics to be considered. We are not a monarchy or dictatorship in which the head of state can do whatever he or she wants with impunity.

That is absolutely correct.

In this particular instance we are dealing with officials refusing to recognize the supremacy of Federal law over State and Local.

In this particular instance we are dealing with officials refusing to provide protection for Federal Law Enforcement Officers.

These are Federal offenses... obstruction... interference... conspiracy... aiding-and-abetting...

The President is the Chief Executive with broad powers to order Federal law enforcement to arrest such persons.

The "politics" have already been "considered" and for the Federal government to back-down now would, indeed, be IMpolitic.

There is no monarchist nor dictatorial aspect in this... these are mechanisms built into the Constitution and US Statutes.

What do we gain if we do what needs to be done but in the process lose the hearts and minds of the people so that in the next election the people who approve and encourage lawlessness are back in power?

Those hearts-and-minds have been "lost" for several election-cycles already.

Once the land is rid of the lion's share of Illegal Aliens no sane politician on either side is going to reverse that state of affairs.

We lose the Congress and the White House next and those who intend to make the USA as totalitarian state have full license to move us in that direction?

They have been trying to do just that for a generation or more now already...

What you see unfolding now is the forceful application of Law to reverse that dangerous long-standing state of affairs...

The danger is real and the risk is acceptable...

To move faster than the will of the people might win the battle, but will always lose us the war.

The "will of The People" in this particular matter was already expressed on November 5, 2024.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Interesting that Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris, Karen Bass and other Dems are in open defiance of Federal Law and the United States Government. This has not happened since the Democrat Massive resistance in the 1950's and 1960's fighting integration and Civil Rights, and prior to that the Civil War supporting slavery.

The Trump Administration is simply enforcing Federal Law, which is their job. Newsom, Harris, and Bass among other Dems, are in open defiance of enforcement of Federal Law, are doing nothing to support or protect Federal Law enforcement and openly stating they will defy the Federal Government. Isn't this what the Confederacy did?

Without question these actions are a rebellion, an insurrection against the Lawful enforcement of Federal Law. How can these rebels stand?


Discuss.


rightwinger
Mac1958
Foxfyre
PoliticalChic

That's an interesting thought.

We need more ideas on this board.


Would I be too hyperbolic to suggest Newson as another Democrat, John Wilkes Booth?

 

[BS Filter]

Wait, I thought that was Eisenhower.

Eisenhower and Kennedy both sent troops to the south. The Dixiecrats were desperately trying to keep segregation alive.

 

[Ropey]

Without question these actions are a rebellion, an insurrection against the Lawful enforcement of Federal Law. How can these rebels stand?

The Insurrection Proclamation will come at the opportune moment.

 

[Ropey]

BI agents are totally messed up over Ed Martin's investigation!



If they can't be charged, then ...

Name, blame and shame them.

If they can be charged.

Get the grand juries moving.

Norm Eisen needs to be dealt wiith as well and his pseudonyms are clearly tied to him.

^Why they are freaked out.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Interesting that Gavin Newsom, Kamala Harris, Karen Bass and other Dems are in open defiance of Federal Law and the United States Government. This has not happened since the Democrat Massive resistance in the 1950's and 1960's fighting integration and Civil Rights, and prior to that the Civil War supporting slavery.

The Trump Administration is simply enforcing Federal Law, which is their job. Newsom, Harris, and Bass among other Dems, are in open defiance of enforcement of Federal Law, are doing nothing to support or protect Federal Law enforcement and openly stating they will defy the Federal Government. Isn't this what the Confederacy did?

Without question these actions are a rebellion, an insurrection against the Lawful enforcement of Federal Law. How can these rebels stand?


Discuss.


rightwinger
Mac1958
Foxfyre
PoliticalChic

No. Jefferson Davis had more class, period, full stop.

 

[Foxfyre]

That is absolutely correct.

In this particular instance we are dealing with officials refusing to recognize the supremacy of Federal law over State and Local.

In this particular instance we are dealing with officials refusing to provide protection for Federal Law Enforcement Officers.

These are Federal offenses... obstruction... interference... conspiracy... aiding-and-abetting...

The President is the Chief Executive with broad powers to order Federal law enforcement to arrest such persons.

The "politics" have already been "considered" and for the Federal government to back-down now would, indeed, be IMpolitic.

There is no monarchist nor dictatorial aspect in this... these are mechanisms built into the Constitution and US Statutes.


Those hearts-and-minds have been "lost" for several election-cycles already.

Once the land is rid of the lion's share of Illegal Aliens no sane politician on either side is going to reverse that state of affairs.

They have been trying to do just that for a generation or more now already...

What you see unfolding now is the forceful application of Law to reverse that dangerous long-standing state of affairs...

The danger is real and the risk is acceptable...

The "will of The People" in this particular matter was already expressed on November 5, 2024.

You could be right. My instincts could be right. But if the ball was in your court and you had to make that call, I wonder if it would be as cut and dried for you?

As a dedicated media watcher/not-that-bad media analyst and also poll watcher and paying attention to the ebbs and tides of social media, I might have a somewhat different perspective than others. Those others might be right. I might be right. or not.

I have long paid close attention to the dynamics of unintended consequences to the decisions we make though.

Which is why I am not and could never be an American liberal/progressive and remain staunchly in the libertarian (small 'L")/classical liberal camp.

 

[Foxfyre]

Wait, I thought that was Eisenhower.

No it was Kennedy. He sent some 30,000 troops to Old Miss, the most ever deployed domestically in U.S. history.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

And yet Newsom gravely busted California's budget to funnel major $ to migrants in the state. Newson always presents a 'balanced budget' as required by California law, but it is just smoke and mirrors as California has been running large multi-billion dollar deficits for some time now.

The migrants are draining resources from Californians, not added to them.

This should also be a wake up call for those demanding the federal balanced budget. A 'balanced budget' is only balanced if the revenues come in to fund it and there is no spending over and above what the budget designates.

We moved from there because of what it has become. We see now the results of rampant illegal immigration in Paramount which is next door to LA. Illegals burning cars, the American , police cars while waving Mexico’s flag. Advocates lie they don’t commit more crime but they do. No records are kept. But the sanctuary cities clean up monetarily and with tens of thousands of government jobs.

 

[Zincwarrior]

No it was Kennedy. He sent some 30,000 troops to Old Miss, the most ever deployed domestically in U.S. history.

Cool. Thank you for clarification

 

[Leo123]

The TDSers who are protesting virtually invited the paid-incitement 'army' of black clad, masked insurgents who show up to these events and cause mayhem. Don't kid yourselves, these people are Soros funded thugs who are bussed in. They ally themselves with Democrat protesters and then ratchet up the violence.

 

[Etymology gaslight]

That's an act of intimidation to obstruct and interfere with ICE and the immigration emergency process that Tom Homan warned Newsom about in not being above law, now he can be arrested.
Fed law 436(b)(1) ),2 intimidation as obstruction
18 USC Ch. 73: Section 1510 obstruction
The LA PD should sue Gavin for putting their lives in jeopardy for political games. TRUMP should sue Gavin into bankruptcy for interfering with his duties to protect and give us national security.
Any other state this breaks out into should sue Gavin for not considering the other states his problem would spread to as a NATIONAL security issue not a California issue.
Someone needs to go back to Maxine Waters words and call to insurrection in fighting ICE agents and hold her responsible using clips of their words on Trump being responsible for JAN 6, difference Trump used the words peaceful protest, Maxine used violent rhetoric aimed at inciting violence and breaking of laws and might have organized some of this terrorist actions.

History repeats itself....demklan confederates are up in arms over the Federal Govt enforcing federal law, and the threat of losing their cheap illegal labor to exploit.

Newsome is Jeff Davis all over again

How about Neville Chamberlain.

 

[Etymology gaslight]

Newsom, Harris, Bass all blaming Trump and Homan using ICE to enforce immigration laws for the riots.

Illinois J.B. Pritzker, at a recent Democrat fund raiser, called for riots and punishing Republicans, to give them no peace.

The problem with utilizing the National Guard or active duty military in these situations is that they have no teeth. Ever since the Kent State 'massacre' 55 years ago, they have not been allowed any real power in domestic situations. Their presence is most symbolic. If they even carry weapons, those weapons most likely have no bullets.

We all still have those terrible images of the deadly clearing of protesters from Tiananmen Square or Peron's bloody clearing of the streets of Buenos Aires. Should the U.S. National Guard or other military be given actual power to enforce the law, the cries of fascism!!! would ring across the land.

What leader would want that on his/her resume?

So when the governors, other elected leaders, the police refuse to do their jobs, I think we're screwed.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Key points about Gavin Newsom's involvement in these recent events:

• Opposition to National Guard deployment: Newsom has criticized President Trump's decision to deploy National Guard troops to Los Angeles, calling it "unlawful" and "escalatory," and claiming that state and local authorities had the situation under control.
• Challenging the Trump administration: Newsom intends to challenge the deployment in court, arguing that the federal government overstepped its authority by deploying the Guard without his request or consent.
• Criticism of the Trump administration: Newsom has accused the Trump administration of "fanning the flames" and "manufacturing chaos and violence" by deploying the National Guard, making the situation worse.
• Support for peaceful protests: While acknowledging the violence and destruction of property, Newsom has emphasized his support for peaceful protests and the right to express dissent.
• Conflict with Trump officials: Newsom has engaged in a public dispute with Trump's "border czar" Tom Homan, who had suggested Newsom and Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass could face arrest for obstructing federal operations.

His actions let us know that he wants to break from the US. His actions show hat he is anti america.

 

[Orangecat]

look bitch, one of the board's racist champions (u so proud) started a race thread, which you eat like it's trumps shit, and u come for me. fuck you, racist pos

Calm down, knucklehead.

 

[HaShev]

How about Neville Chamberlain.

Yeah they are using them as cheap-slave labor, Pelosi (the benifactor from cheap vineyard labor)often slips up in that regard. But it also lowers the legal immigrant labor wages affecting their communities the hardest and they are their voter base not the illegals who are not supposed to be allowed to vote. Show ms how stupid the left is, they foresake their voter base for that which won't be around or be legal to vote.

 

[Orangecat]

I left LA 9 years ago. One of the best life choices I've ever made.