Gavin Newsom: The New Jefferson Davis?

[Meister]

But a National Guard with no authority to actually stop anybody is going to be mostly symbolic. When Newsom and Bass won't do their jobs, then we're screwed.

The federal agency (ICE) needed to be protected, and the governor and mayor were derelict
in their responsibilities.

 

[Meister]

go peddle your racism to miester.

Get your facts straight, anarchist.

 

[WelfareQueen]

But a National Guard with no authority to actually stop anybody is going to be mostly symbolic. When Newsom and Bass won't do their jobs, then we're screwed.

They are a deterrence, nothing more. They cannot arrest anyone as you allude. But since Newsom and Bass are doing nothing at least you prevent a city from being burnt to the ground like Minneapolis, Seattle, or Portland during the Floyd riots.

The looting and murder are starting to kick off with a bang. My guess is another Summer of Love.


"This violence that I've seen is disgusting," said LAPD Chief Jim McDonnell. "It's escalated now. What we saw the first night was bad. What we've seen subsequent to that is getting increasingly worse and more violent."

Dozens arrested, accused of attempted murder, looting, arson, more in 'disgusting' LA violence

Dozens of people were arrested Sunday, accused of attempted murder, arson and other crimes during a day of violence and protests in Los Angeles.

www.nbclosangeles.com

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/downtown-l-a-businesses-looted-overnight-as-ice-protests-expected-to-continue-monday/

 

[Foxfyre]

When you want to know the reason for almost anything follow the money. If California loses the 3 million illegals they have they lose many government jobs, low wage workers and the money they bring into Los Angeles because they spend the wages in the local economy.

And yet Newsom gravely busted California's budget to funnel major $ to migrants in the state. Newson always presents a 'balanced budget' as required by California law, but it is just smoke and mirrors as California has been running large multi-billion dollar deficits for some time now.

The migrants are draining resources from Californians, not added to them.

This should also be a wake up call for those demanding the federal balanced budget. A 'balanced budget' is only balanced if the revenues come in to fund it and there is no spending over and above what the budget designates.

 

[Failzero]

But a National Guard with no authority to actually stop anybody is going to be mostly symbolic. When Newsom and Bass won't do their jobs, then we're screwed.

If you try to Breach a Building they are protecting or ram through a Roadblock by running them over they can hold you for an arresting officer or open fire to protect themselves

 

[Foxfyre]

They are a deterrence, nothing more. They cannot arrest anyone as you allude. But since Newsom and Bass are doing nothing at least you prevent a city from being burnt to the ground like Minneapolis, Seattle, or Portland during the Floyd riots.

The looting and murder are starting to kick off with a bang. My guess is another Summer of Love.


"This violence that I've seen is disgusting," said LAPD Chief Jim McDonnell. "It's escalated now. What we saw the first night was bad. What we've seen subsequent to that is getting increasingly worse and more violent."

Dozens arrested, accused of attempted murder, looting, arson, more in 'disgusting' LA violence

Dozens of people were arrested Sunday, accused of attempted murder, arson and other crimes during a day of violence and protests in Los Angeles.

www.nbclosangeles.com

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/downtown-l-a-businesses-looted-overnight-as-ice-protests-expected-to-continue-monday/

How much deterrence can they be if migrants can just run over them as they did at El Paso?

 

[Foxfyre]

If you try to Breach a Building they are protecting or ram through a Roadblock by running them over they can hold you for an arresting officer or open fire to protect themselves

That didn't happen at El Paso. The invading migrants just cut through and removed the razor wire barriers and pushed the guardsmen aside or knocking them to the ground as they violently surged across the border and reached the gate. Most were then allowed to come into the country. Roughly 100 migrants attacked the guardsmen at El Paso.

There are thousands of them plus citizen sympathizers/ANTIFA thugs or whatever in L.A.

Over 100 migrants break through razor wire, knock down guards as they illegally cross El Paso border in wild scene

A group of over 100 migrants attempting to enter the US illegally rushed a border wall Thursday, breaking through razor wire and knocking over guards in the process.

nypost.com

 

[bendog]

Well, I mean I wouldn't call just anyone a racist. Here are Queenie's hits from May.

Mexicans pose for photos in front of the burning car as a tire explodes

Boise, Idaho canceled their “Pride Season Kickoff” because nobody showed up.

When was it, again, that the United States stopped being "Great"?
When we let 11 million pedophiles, rapists, and murderers into our Country illegally.

USMB Gay fanclub!

Africans sold their own people as slaves” really ?

 

[Failzero]

How much deterrence can they be if migrants can just run over them as they did at El Paso?

One fatality of the 92 Los Angeles Riots was a Crack dealer trying to make a dope run in a 280z car who attempted to run through a Hard Roadblock of Guardsmen in the upper Pico Union area west of Downtown . They lit him up with M16A2 rifles peppering his car and hitting him multiple times resulting in death . ( No reprimands or repercussion )

 

[WelfareQueen]

How much deterrence can they be if migrants can just run over them as they did at El Paso?

I don't see any other solution. Maybe you do? The Leftist Anarchists are going to do their thing. They are violent children that hate America and everything it stands for. You just try to minimize the destruction and loss of life and property.

I would bring in as much Federal Law enforcement as possible and arrest everyone that is breaking the Law. And I do mean everyone. Throw the book at them like the J6 people. Lock them up for as long as the Law allows.

 

[Failzero]

One fatality of the 92 Los Angeles Riots was a Crack dealer trying to make a dope run in a 280z car who attempted to run through a Hard Roadblock of Guardsmen in the upper Pico Union area west of Downtown . They lit him up with M16A2 rifles peppering his car and hitting him multiple times resulting in death . ( No reprimands or repercussion )

Bump for effect

 

[Blaster]

Gavin Newscum.

 

[Foxfyre]

One fatality of the 92 Los Angeles Riots was a Crack dealer trying to make a dope run in a 280z car who attempted to run through a Hard Roadblock of Guardsmen in the upper Pico Union area west of Downtown . They lit him up with M16A2 rifles peppering his car and hitting him multiple times resulting in death . ( No reprimands or repercussion )

A lot has changed since 1992.

All I'm saying is that it is really tough to make our military mostly toothless--which is what the public mostly demands--and expect them to make a huge difference in situations like the current L.A. riots.

I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't see any other solution. Maybe you do? The Leftist Anarchists are going to do their thing. They are violent children that hate America and everything it stands for. You just try to minimize the destruction and loss of life and property.

I would bring in as much Federal Law enforcement as possible and arrest everyone that is breaking the Law. And I do mean everyone. Throw the book at them like the J6 people. Lock them up for as long as the Law allows.

I don't see any real solution short of our military being issued bullets and authority/orders to use them which could be worse, imagewise, than the riots themselves. To arrest a lawless Gavin Newsom or Mayor Bass or Kamala Harris would result in negative publicity that would likely overshadow any benefit.

Like you I hope the feds throw the book at as many as they legitimately can, but for the most part, if the state and local authorities refuse to do their jobs, actually encourage the lawlessness, when it comes to federal intervention into a riot like we're seeing in L.A., I think we're mostly screwed.

 

[scruffy]

He is a Joker

Not funny.

 

[Kondor3]

Foxfyre

So when the governors, other elected leaders, the police refuse to do their jobs, I think we're screwed.

One Sanctuary at-a-time...

1. Give the players (governor, mayor, etc.) one last (and highly public) chance to obey and facilitate Federal law
2. Arrest those who do not comply; charging them with Obstruction of Justice; Interference with LEO; Conspiracy, ec.
3. Transport them to far-away jurisdictions with "reliable" judges
4. Set high bail (or invent a "flight risk" excuse to deny them bail)
5. Expedited trials
6. Long-term imprisonment

...all within a matter of mere days or weeks passing between (1) and (6).

Set a severe example for the NEXT Sanctuary Klown-Kar to contemplate as Judgment Day approaches them, in turn.

Meanwhile... declare Martial Law within a given Sanctuary, bring in vast numbers of troops, and sweep the area clean.

Return the now-de-Sanctuar-ied jurisdiction back to civilian control Under New Management.

----

And, while all that is going on...

1. give any Illegal Alien owning property in the US twelve (12) months to sell-off property and self-deport once registered
2. give any Illegal Alien without property in the US six (6) months to settle all business and self-deport once registered
3. start (metaphorically, in the law courts) crucifying employers found with Illegal Aliens knowingly on their payrolls
4. for any Illegal found on US soil after the six-or-twelve-month time limit, permanently seize their property and deport them
5. for any Illegal found on US soil who failed to register after a given deadline, permanently seize their property and deport them
6. reimburse their home countries half the expense of bulk (planes-full, ships-full, buses-full) return of Illegals to their jurisdictions
7. those who do not register and self-deport may never apply for legal residency within the U.S.
8. for countries refusing to take-back their citizens we either force-the-issue or ship their citizens elsewhere to whomever will take them

 

[Foxfyre]

Foxfyre

One Sanctuary at-a-time...

1. Give the players (governor, mayor, etc.) one last (and highly public) chance to obey and facilitate Federal law
2. Arrest those who do not comply; charging them with Obstruction of Justice; Interference with LEO; Conspiracy, ec.
3. Transport them to far-away jurisdictions with "reliable" judges
4. Set high bail (or invent a "flight risk" excuse to deny them bail)
5. Expedited trials
6. Long-term imprisonment

...all within a matter of mere days or weeks passing between (1) and (6).

Set a severe example for the NEXT Sanctuary Klown-Kar to contemplate as Judgment Day approaches them, in turn.

Meanwhile... declare Martial Law within a given Sanctuary, bring in vast numbers of troops, and sweep the area clean.

Return the now-de-Sanctuar-ied jurisdiction back to civilian control Under New Management.

----

And, while all that is going on...

1. give any Illegal Alien owning property in the US twelve (12) months to sell-off property and self-deport once registered
2. give any Illegal Alien without property in the US six (6) months to settle all business and self-deport once registered
3. start (metaphorically, in the law courts) crucifying employers found with Illegal Aliens knowingly on their payrolls
4. for any Illegal found on US soil after the six-or-twelve-month time limit, permanently seize their property and deport them
5. for any Illegal found on US soil who failed to register after a given deadline, permanently seize their property and deport them
6. reimburse their home countries half the expense of bulk (planes-full, ships-full, buses-full) return of Illegals to their jurisdictions
7. those who do not register and self-deport may never apply for legal residency within the U.S.
8. for countries refusing to take-back their citizens we either force-the-issue or ship their citizens elsewhere to whomever will take them

Immigration reform does need to include all those provisions and more.

But the issue here is not the migrants so much as the state and local authorities who encourage that kind of lawlessness and refuse to do anything about it. And resist any kind of federal intervention. Technically unless it is a federal crime, the feds cannot legally seriously intervene unless the governor/mayor requests it.

Breaking immigration laws are definitely a federal matter and the feds have every right to go where the law breakers are, arrest them, jail or remove them.

But when the state and local authorities refuse to enforce the law and actually encourage breaking the law, we are pretty helpless in those situations.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Reminds me of President Kennedy sending troops to Mississippi to ensure Black people had their civil rights protected. The Democrats were also on the wrong side on that one.

Wait, I thought that was Eisenhower.

 

[Kondor3]

Immigration reform does need to include all those provisions and more.

But the issue here is not the migrants so much as the state and local authorities who encourage that kind of lawlessness and refuse to do anything about it. And resist any kind of federal intervention. Technically unless it is a federal crime, the feds cannot legally seriously intervene unless the governor/mayor requests it.

Breaking immigration laws are definitely a federal matter and the feds have every right to go where the law breakers are, arrest them, jail or remove them.

But when the state and local authorities refuse to enforce the law and actually encourage breaking the law, we are pretty helpless in those situations.

We are not helpless.

When the President of the United States is unable to enforce Federal Law then he can declare a jurisdiction to be in rebellion.

But it is not necessary to take it that far.

All he needs to do is to have US Marshals arrest such officials and charge them appropriately and declare their positions vacant.

 

[Failzero]

We are not helpless.

When the President of the United States is unable to enforce Federal Law then he can declare a jurisdiction to be in rebellion.

But it is not necessary to take it that far.

All he needs to do is to have US Marshals arrest such officials and charge them appropriately and declare their positions vacant.

My guess is 4 Dead LAPD , 6 Dead ICE Agents , 2 dead FBI agents , 2 Dead Los Angeles Sheriffs Deputies and 1 dead National Guardsman and he could initiate those actions