Future Colin Kaepernicks, Beware: You Can Get Fired for Political Speech

[reconmark]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

The POTUS doesn't have 1st amendment rights?

Yeah the President has1st Amendment Rights, it's just that anyone with a third grade understanding of those Rights realize that he doesn't have the right to infringe upon the player's Rights...

 

[reconmark]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

Why? He has the right to speak, too, and a responsibility to do so when he represents the highest authority of what those players are protesting.

He has no responsibility. His responsibility is to defend the Constitution of the US. Not to use the flag and anthem as a political weapon. Trump and his supporters are in-American and fake patriots. This truly is starting to look like Nazi Germany. The Nazis burned books that did not conform and now Trump and his supporters are invoking Hitler and the Nazis and burning things that do not conform to their warped view of the world.

What an incredibly stupid post !

i can't begin to describe the level of ignorance demonstrated. You have zero - none, nil, nada - understanding of Nazi Germany. To compare this to Nazi Germany is to demean all those who suffered and died under Hitler.

Your ridiculous comment about the president clearly demonstrates you have no fundamental understanding of the structure of our government or our society.

You, sir, are an embarrassment.

Actually your reply proves your ignorance of the subject...

 

[PraiseKek]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

The POTUS doesn't have 1st amendment rights?

Yeah the President has1st Amendment Rights, it's just that anyone with a third grade understanding of those Rights realize that he doesn't have the right to infringe upon the player's Rights...

He didn't infringe on their rights, when did he call for state censorship? It is you who doesn't understand the 1st amendment.

 

[reconmark]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

The POTUS doesn't have 1st amendment rights?

Yeah the President has1st Amendment Rights, it's just that anyone with a third grade understanding of those Rights realize that he doesn't have the right to infringe upon the player's Rights...

He didn't infringe on their rights, when did he call for state censorship? It is you who doesn't understand the 1st amendment.

He called for their firing...case closed.
Checkmate and you are done...

 

[PraiseKek]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

The POTUS doesn't have 1st amendment rights?

Yeah the President has1st Amendment Rights, it's just that anyone with a third grade understanding of those Rights realize that he doesn't have the right to infringe upon the player's Rights...

He didn't infringe on their rights, when did he call for state censorship? It is you who doesn't understand the 1st amendment.

He called for their firing...case closed.
Checkmate and you are done...

Yep that's his first amendment right, did he use the power of the state to fine the NFL? No, get educated, this is like shooting retarted fish in a barrel.

 

[reconmark]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

The POTUS doesn't have 1st amendment rights?

Yeah the President has1st Amendment Rights, it's just that anyone with a third grade understanding of those Rights realize that he doesn't have the right to infringe upon the player's Rights...

He didn't infringe on their rights, when did he call for state censorship? It is you who doesn't understand the 1st amendment.

He called for their firing...case closed.
Checkmate and you are done...

Yep that's his first amendment right, did he use the power of the state to fine the NFL? No, get educated, this is like shooting retarted fish in a barrel.

He used the power of the bully pulpit to call for the infringement of their 1st Amend Rights.
It must suck to realize goldfish are more intelligent than you...

 

[Windparadox]

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All non-exempt employees where I work are required to sign a "Terms of Employment" form which for those staff, requires them to not to conduct themselves in any manner which can (in essence) bring about unwanted publicity or violate the core values of our organization. Sad to say, over the years, I let three people go who violated that stipulation.

 

[Penelope]

These players have to be among the stupidest people in human history and on multiple levels.
They protest against the symbols that represent their right to protest and they insult most of their customer base in the process.

I disagree, they are actually protecting the first amendment rights.

 

[Penelope]

These players have to be among the stupidest people in human history and on multiple levels.
They protest against the symbols that represent their right to protest and they insult most of their customer base in the process.

They're protesting against the symbols that represent their right to protest? So you're saying because they can protest, they shouldn't? Er.... wow,

No, you have it backwards. They're not protesting for the opportunity to protest. They're essentially protesting against the opportunity to protest. Like using democracy to vote down democracy.

But they're not.

Your argument is that the flag and the anthem are the things that PROTECT people to protest. They're not. They symbols and nothing more. They're symbols of the US govt.

Now, the US govt should be protecting free speech. But the President is arguing AGAINST free speech. So the flag and the anthem right NOW, represent a govt that is OPPOSED to free speech.

You really are an NFL player. The flag represents the constitution and the essence of our country, including freedom of speech. These idiots don't know how to articulate their contrived, substanceless grievance. As a result, they protest against their own freedom to protest. As Sgt. Lincoln Osiris would say, "moronical".

The DOD gave them the stage. It was all to entice people to enlist in the service.

 

[Geaux4it]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

Oh, I see.. So the 1st Amendment only applies where you want it

-Geaux

 

[BlackSand]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

He has the same right to say what he wants to say.
And unlike the others (players/employees) ... The American people have a Constitutional right to try and fire him in a few years.

How about we hold a vote to fire players who protest at NFL Games ...

.

 

[PraiseKek]

The POTUS doesn't have 1st amendment rights?

Yeah the President has1st Amendment Rights, it's just that anyone with a third grade understanding of those Rights realize that he doesn't have the right to infringe upon the player's Rights...

He didn't infringe on their rights, when did he call for state censorship? It is you who doesn't understand the 1st amendment.

He called for their firing...case closed.
Checkmate and you are done...

Yep that's his first amendment right, did he use the power of the state to fine the NFL? No, get educated, this is like shooting retarted fish in a barrel.

He used the power of the bully pulpit to call for the infringement of their 1st Amend Rights.

Again that is his 1st amendment right to do so, call me when fines are levied, incentives offered, or arrests made, and in the meantime brush up on your Con Law, this is undergraduate level buddy.

 

[Freewill]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

censorship is your answer, wow.

 

[Conservative65]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

Did you apply that to Obama when he stuck his nose in on issues where it didn't belong?

 

[Freewill]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

Why? He has the right to speak, too, and a responsibility to do so when he represents the highest authority of what those players are protesting.

Those players are protesting civil injustices towards black men, as example...that the police have killed over the decades who were unarmed, or carrying a toy gun etc etc etc, yet none have ever been punished...they are not protesting our anthem and flag...


The First Amendment is why our President, the head of our government, should not get involved and in the middle of this, period. It's the government that is restricted by our first amendment right, not the private owners and the owners should be able to make their own decisions without the government's top dog President calling mother's of player's bitches and without the President recommending they be fired if they don't stand up and sing praise to our nation/ our government as our government head snaps his fingers and wants them to....

He needs to shut up, and butt out...

If this is the case, the players are doing a piss poor job of getting their message out.

People are not reacting to what they are protesting about, they are reacting to the method of protest.

If players want to protest, let them walk around the field holding picket signs before the national anthem. Hell, let them refuse to play!!

As for the players' so-called First Amendment right, that is, simply, not applicable. Owners do not have to allow them to protest. Fans can punish owners for not stopping it, and they can punish players for what they perceive as disrespect for the flag, for the country, and for its veterans.

You can say that the fans are misinterpreting the message all you want - the fact is that, if the players want to get THEIR message across, they need to find another way. Nobody is listening to what the players claim they are saying - they are only reacting to what they see the players do.

As for the President -- he represents the people, and he is telling the NFL what the people are saying. Problem is - they aren't listening.

The truth about the "message" is that apparently the players don't know the message. Two weeks ago the majority, vast majority, didn't raise peep of protest about perceived social injustice. Now after Trump makes a statement about being patriotic the NFL goes into full revolt. The NFL is composed of almost all millionaires and they don't like being told what to do. The owners revolted and the players are fighting the owner's war. Very similar to when the poor man fought the war over the rich democrat's grievances.

In the end, the owners might take a little monetary hit, meanwhile the players will leave the game with concussions.

 

[Conservative65]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

Why? He has the right to speak, too, and a responsibility to do so when he represents the highest authority of what those players are protesting.

Those players are protesting civil injustices towards black men, as example...that the police have killed over the decades who were unarmed, or carrying a toy gun etc etc etc, yet none have ever been punished...they are not protesting our anthem and flag...


The First Amendment is why our President, the head of our government, should not get involved and in the middle of this, period. It's the government that is restricted by our first amendment right, not the private owners and the owners should be able to make their own decisions without the government's top dog President calling mother's of player's bitches and without the President recommending they be fired if they don't stand up and sing praise to our nation/ our government as our government head snaps his fingers and wants them to....

He needs to shut up, and butt out...

When they do it during the anthem, the anthem is as much a part of it as the reasons they claim they're protesting.

Police of color killed an innocent white woman in Minnesota. Where were these idiots protesting that injustice. That they only care about blacks proves they're racists.

Interesting that those saying Trump should stay out of it had not problem when the black President stuck his nose into thing where it didn't belong.

 

[Freewill]

Yeah the President has1st Amendment Rights, it's just that anyone with a third grade understanding of those Rights realize that he doesn't have the right to infringe upon the player's Rights...

He didn't infringe on their rights, when did he call for state censorship? It is you who doesn't understand the 1st amendment.

He called for their firing...case closed.
Checkmate and you are done...

Yep that's his first amendment right, did he use the power of the state to fine the NFL? No, get educated, this is like shooting retarted fish in a barrel.

He used the power of the bully pulpit to call for the infringement of their 1st Amend Rights.

Again that is his 1st amendment right to do so, call me when fines are levied, incentives offered, or arrests made, and in the meantime brush up on your Con Law, this is undergraduate level buddy.

There is no first amendment right involved in this situation.

 

[Care4all]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

Oh, I see.. So the 1st Amendment only applies where you want it

-Geaux

For goodness sake, how can you be so obtuse? The President swore to uphold the constitution, NOT beat it down.....he should have defended the guy, even if he personally disagreed.....he is getting paid by his employer, to defend the constitution, 24/7.....instead he's acting like a child, beating down that first amendment with all his power and MIGHT as our President..... first the original travel band against Muslims/against religion... you all aplauded and said nothing, then his attack on the freedom of the press, you did nothing, then the football players right to peaceful protest, you did nothing,

What's next?

You all are part of a CULT, following this wanna be dictator.... cheering his every unconstitutional move he makes like thoughtless sheep imo.

I simply do not understand this spell you all are under?????


Obama said a young boy, who was killed, could have been his son, and you all told him to keep his gosh DARN mouth shut but king trump sticks his nose in to a constitutional issue, on the wrong side of it, and you all cheer him on...... like I said, just mind blowing....

 

[Valerie]

that's why i call them dumbo parrots...

 

[Geaux4it]

Of course it's up to the private owners....

The President of the USA should have kept his trap shut....

Oh, I see.. So the 1st Amendment only applies where you want it

-Geaux

For goodness sake, how can you be so obtuse? The President swore to uphold the constitution, NOT beat it down.....he should have defended the guy, even if he personally disagreed.....he is getting paid by his employer, to defend the constitution, 24/7.....instead he's acting like a child, beating down that first amendment with all his power and MIGHT as our President..... first the original travel band against Muslims/against religion... you all aplauded and said nothing, then his attack on the freedom of the press, you did nothing, then the football players right to peaceful protest, you did nothing,

What's next?

You all are part of a CULT, following this wanna be dictator.... cheering his every unconstitutional move he makes like thoughtless sheep imo.

I simply do not understand this spell you all are under?????


Obama said a young boy, who was killed, could have been his son, and you all told him to keep his gosh DARN mouth shut but king trump sticks his nose in to a constitutional issue, on the wrong side of it, and you all cheer him on...... like I said, just mind blowing....

Interesting you mention the Constitution when the courts ruled (13) times that Obama;s EO's were Un-Constitutional

Where in the Constitution does it say you have a right to protest at your work place?

-Geaux