From an actual independent (me)

[progressive hunter]

1. Strict, short term limits
2. Publicly-funded elections
3. Ranked choice voting
4. Nonpartisan primaries
5. Independent redistricting commissions

Our Platform

The Forward Party supports ranked-choice voting, open primaries, and other reforms that will lay the foundation for a more representative multi-party democracy.

www.forwardparty.com

I can see a place for ranked choice voting, but the others are a non starter,, term limits will do nothing and why should I pay for a candidates campaigning??

as for the non partisan primaries it would be easier to ban political partys at the fed level and make the whole election equal

and theres no such thing as an independent commission,, everyone has a bias,,

not sure if you know it but that forward" motto is a socialist/communist agenda and goes against everything the constitution stands for,,

Mao's Catastrophic Great Leap Forward in China

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[Mac1958]

socialist/communist agenda

Ah, okay, never mind.

You asked, I answered.

 

[YoursTruly]

the one problem I see with your view is that there is no right or left when talking about dems and repubes,, both parties are left wing authoritarians.
there was a time when repubes were right wing by american standards but that ended more than 50 yrs ago and they currently sit where dems were 20-30 yrs ago,,

the only real solution is to ban partys at the fed level and go back to a representative system where the elected represent their states/constituents not the partys,,

I'm not sure how, but this video helped to sort out my struggle to become truly independent. (it could've just been the creepy background music LOL)

 

[jc456]

Our political system is broken, because it's flawed to begin with. It incentivizes and rewards the cynical, dishonest, craven, tribal behavior that we're seeing get worse and worse.

Unless and until we change the system, we keep bending over for it. This is a self-inflicted wound.

#ForwardParty

indeed, money influences all that exists in the system. more money, more evil is maintained. George Soros is still successful in controlling governments.

 

[progressive hunter]

I'm not sure how, but this video helped to sort out my struggle to become truly independent. (it could've just been the creepy background music LOL)

just looking at the thumbnail I can see thats going off the french system not the american system set by the founders when they created the american experiment,,

ours is full authoritarian on the left and total freedom on the right with the constitution about in the middle,, and as I said both dems and repubes call for more government control than allowed by the constitution which makes both leftwing authoritarians,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Ah, okay, never mind.

You asked, I answered.

so nothing to say on the points I made??

 

[Rogue AI]

A few delegates is wasted delegates. And completely meaningless when it comes to the national convention. I'd rather have a bad nominee, than one that was nominated through corruption. Especially when Hillary was nominated. She was not only a bad POTUS candidate (IMO). But she was nominated fraudulently. (FACT)

Bernie, being a party loyalist, supported Hillary, even after the DNC rigged the nomination in her favor.

Comrade Bernie is an independent, like you.

 

[Mac1958]

so nothing to say on the points I made??

No. Once I see the "socialist/communist" schtick, I know the chances of having an interesting conversation have plummeted.

Again: You asked, I answered.

 

[YoursTruly]

1. Strict, short term limits
2. Publicly-funded elections
3. Ranked choice voting
4. Nonpartisan primaries
5. Independent redistricting commissions

Our Platform

The Forward Party supports ranked-choice voting, open primaries, and other reforms that will lay the foundation for a more representative multi-party democracy.

www.forwardparty.com

I like how the LP nominates their VP. They vote on him/her. The only problem I see with their "actions," is that they've always voted for the VP that their POTUS nominee has selected.
I was disappointed when Bill Weld was voted in as the VP nominee for the 2012(?) election. None of my libertarian friends liked Weld.
And another decent idea is having the top two nominees (according to the actual vote count) become POTUS and VPOTUS. As in 2016, Trump being president and Hitlery being the VP.
Obviously, on the surface level that idea sounds horrible. BUT there's a LOT of things that would change for the better, if that was the way it was done.

None the less, as I said earlier, we could come up with 1,000 better ways for our government to run the country and who get's elected, how long they serve and the other aspects. But nothing will ever change as long as the R & D's are in power and they have their party loyalist to fight for them.

 

[YoursTruly]

Comrade Bernie is an independent, like you.

No he's not. He's a democrat. He had to join the democratic party to become the DNC's nominee.

 

[Mac1958]

I like how the LP nominates their VP. They vote on him/her. The only problem I see with their "actions," is that they've always voted for the VP that their POTUS nominee has selected.
I was disappointed when Bill Weld was voted in as the VP nominee for the 2012(?) election. None of my libertarian friends liked Weld.
And another decent idea is having the top two nominees (according to the actual vote count) become POTUS and VPOTUS. As in 2016, Trump being president and Hitlery being the VP.
Obviously, on the surface level that idea sounds horrible. BUT there's a LOT of things that would change for the better, if that was the way it was done.

None the less, as I said earlier, we could come up with 1,000 better ways for our government to run the country and who get's elected, how long they serve and the other aspects. But nothing will ever change as long as the R & D's are in power and they have their party loyalist to fight for them.

Yeah, hoping that the politicians who are benefitting so much from the current system are going to be honorable enough to fix the system is a Quixotic quest, at best.

If this longshot were ever to come to fruition, it would have to be a process. I honestly don't know how we get there from here.

 

[YoursTruly]

just looking at the thumbnail I can see thats going off the french system not the american system set by the founders when they created the american experiment,,

ours is full authoritarian on the left and total freedom on the right with the constitution about in the middle,, and as I said both dems and repubes call for more government control than allowed by the constitution which makes both leftwing authoritarians,,

You're wrong about that. For the simple fact that republicans support the Patriot Act, Fisa 702 (warrantless spying on Americans) and the NDAA. And many other freedom/Liberty robbing laws.
Hell, even Trump reauthorized them. Even after complaining about Obama and the FBI using FISA to spy on him and his campaign.

NOTE: I was a dummy when I watched this for the first time, back in about 2009. So I had to watch it twice.

 

[progressive hunter]

No. Once I see the "socialist/communist" schtick, I know the chances of having an interesting conversation have plummeted.

Again: You asked, I answered.

facts scare you that much,,

your other mistake was thinking we are a democracy,,

 

[progressive hunter]

You're wrong about that. For the simple fact that republicans support the Patriot Act, Fisa 702 (warrantless spying on Americans) and the NDAA. And many other freedom/Liberty robbing laws.
Hell, even Trump reauthorized them. Even after complaining about Obama and the FBI using FISA to spy on him and his campaign.

NOTE: I was a dummy when I watched this for the first time, back in about 2009. So I had to watch it twice.

how am I wrong?? thats what makes them leftwing authoritarians and not rightwing liberty minded,,

and also why I would never vote for s dem or republican,,

 

[YoursTruly]

Yeah, hoping that the politicians who are benefitting so much from the current system are going to be honorable enough to fix the system is a Quixotic quest, at best.

If this longshot were ever to come to fruition, it would have to be a process. I honestly don't know how we get there from here.

I'm clueless as to how we get there also. As it stands, party loyalist are highly populated. 1,000 times moreso than independents. (so it would seem).
As we seen with the outcome of the DNC being exposed for rigging the nomination for Hillary, nothing change. It should have. It should've brought a lot of indictments and forced new, more honest and transparent leadership into the DNC. But the media stepped in and made it a non issue and swept it under the rug. Within a few months, they went back to being the same corrupt party they've been for the last 70 years.
The RNC should've also been put on the chopping block with all of Trumps spending, or his lies ("Lock her up, banning bump stocks).. But sadly people still honor the guy and want him to be POTUS in 2024.

Party loyalism is rooted deep into American politics. So much so, I don't think it'll ever stop.

 

[jc456]

I'm clueless as to how we get there also. As it stands, party loyalist are highly populated. 1,000 times moreso than independents. (so it would seem).
As we seen with the outcome of the DNC being exposed for rigging the nomination for Hillary, nothing change. It should have. It should've brought a lot of indictments and forced new, more honest and transparent leadership into the DNC. But the media stepped in and made it a non issue and swept it under the rug. Within a few months, they went back to being the same corrupt party they've been for the last 70 years.
The RNC should've also been put on the chopping block with all of Trumps spending, or his lies ("Lock her up, banning bump stocks).. But sadly people still honor the guy and want him to be POTUS in 2024.

Party loyalism is rooted deep into American politics. So much so, I don't think it'll ever stop.

as long as money is involved, you won't ever change jack shit. You will make jack shit, but that's it.

 

[jc456]

I'm clueless as to how we get there also. As it stands, party loyalist are highly populated. 1,000 times moreso than independents. (so it would seem).
As we seen with the outcome of the DNC being exposed for rigging the nomination for Hillary, nothing change. It should have. It should've brought a lot of indictments and forced new, more honest and transparent leadership into the DNC. But the media stepped in and made it a non issue and swept it under the rug. Within a few months, they went back to being the same corrupt party they've been for the last 70 years.
The RNC should've also been put on the chopping block with all of Trumps spending, or his lies ("Lock her up, banning bump stocks).. But sadly people still honor the guy and want him to be POTUS in 2024.

Party loyalism is rooted deep into American politics. So much so, I don't think it'll ever stop.

Trump was an independent. A point you miss. He was fighting both parties. Hence Rino language was established. See, I'll never understand what it is you actually want? You can't seem to explain it. you don't want this, you don't want that, when a guy comes around that embraces that exact philosophy, you put him down. simply amazing.

 

[progressive hunter]

as long as money is involved, you won't ever change jack shit. You will make jack shit, but that's it.

I have long advocated for finance reform that doesnt allow you to give money to candidates you dont have a right to vote for,,

 

[Rogue AI]

No he's not. He's a democrat. He had to join the democratic party to become the DNC's nominee.

You are mistaken.

U.S. Senate: Senators

www.senate.gov

 

[YoursTruly]

how am I wrong?? thats what makes them leftwing authoritarians and not rightwing liberty minded,,

and also why I would never vote for s dem or republican,,

I explained how you were wrong. The GOP isn't "conservative" any longer. They've outlawed conservatism when Ron Paul ran in 2012. The last true conservative we had in DC, was Justin Amash. He was ran out of DC by his own party. Kicked off the congressional budget committee for trying to balance the budget, by a republican chairman. (Boehner) Was criticized by his own party for exposing Paul Ryan, when Ryan wouldn't allow amendments to be introduced on the House floor. He opposed Pelosi, Ryan, McConnell and Trumps spending, and was bashed for by republicans.

How much more proof do you need? The right is just as authoritarian as the left. They just have different rhetoric for it.