"Free Palestine

[Challenger]

I have read many works by well renowned academics...

Name them and their books that you've allegedly read.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Boy --- you do like to twist the words around.

Ownership is a real estate concepts.​

So the French do not own France?

That's good to know. Who does?

(COMMENT)

Well -- I did not say that. I said it was irrelevant to the issue of Sovereignty.

The French People do not own all the property in the French Republic. For instance Embassies are owned by other countries and are sovereign unto other countries. The Hilton Hotel (2 Palce de la Defense) is partially owned by the French Businessman and is in sovereign French territory. The The European Space Agency (ESA ; French: Agence spatiale européenne, ASE) is a special intergovernmental activity, with multiple EU members with a vested interest; but still in French sovereignty. And of course the French interest in the ESA/ASE is own collectively by the French people as is most government property and real estate. (The French Republic nor the French People need not "own" the land for the land to be sovereign to France.) The US and Canada have treaties with Indian Tribes in which sovereignty is of special interest.

French sovereign territory is defined by the various treaties it has with the adjacent countries.

Most Respectfully,
R

So much smoke to dodge an issue.

French sovereign territory is defined by the various treaties it has with the adjacent countries.​

And the French collectively "own" that. Nobody else.

Sorry to spoil your day but many parts of many nations are not owned by the nationals or nations they are in. An example would be the many US military

Who's history are we talking about here, as the history of islam is steeped in mass murders, genocides and ethnic cleansing. Just look at the Cathedral of Bones in Spain built using the skeletons of the many hundreds of thousands murdered by muslims, then say that history is wrong

What "Cathederal of bones" in Spain?

The one adorned with the skeletons of the massacred Christians and Jews at the hands of the muslims

According to what I read, there were no Jews involved in the death toll - they were 800 Catholics who refused to convert.

What you don't seem to realize is conversion to the faith du jour was a requirement of invading forces in that era - don't convert, then die.

And is still practised by the muslims today, which is why we see so many horrific videos of beheadings at the hands of muslims.

By some.

By most by command of their religion, to do otherwise puts them at risk of death. Try researching islam for a change instead of just repeating what the muslims say parrot fashion.

 

[Phoenall]

I don't but you do when you deny your anti Semitism and Jew hatred. You constantly want to see Israel reduced to fighting for its existence by forcing them to give up their defence and move to non existent 1967 borders.

Good lord. Well, this should be easy to prove then right?

Please provide links to my "anti-semitism and Jew hatred". This should be easy for you. Shall I wait?

Look at your own posts in regards to the Jews and Israel. If I posted the same things about the arab muslims I would be banned from the board

Then it should be easy to provide examples of my posts to support your claim...come on Phoenal, I'm counting on you here

Done just yesterday by another poster, don't have the time or inclination to trawl for your posts

Really? Where was that?

On this board.

 

[Phoenall]

I have read many works by well renowned academics...

Name them and their books that you've allegedly read.

Define Zionist and Zionism in your own words first........................

 

[Challenger]

So what? Palestine has been a geo-political entity since at least Herodotus, and it's inhabitants were Palestinians, regardless of what they called themselves or what others may called them. Kurds have never had a State or Kingdom, but no-one denies they are a "nation".

So when did the Syrians and Egyptians start calling themselves palestinians ?

When did the Syrians start calling themselves Syrian?
When did the Egyptians start calling themselves Egyptian?

Did the Souix have a border? A capital? A currency? A GDP?

They had the most important thing -- a sense of identity as a people.

"Palestinians" were simply made up as a propaganda tool against Jews and had no such identity until encouraged by the Egyptian Named Arafat to start calling themselves such.

The Palestinians formed an identity as a group of people who lived in that area - every group of people start out that way.

The name of sura come from the hittites, turks. Greeks changed used to the term syria for the northern assyria, Iraq. Romans used syria for the levant area. The people identified by their city-state, not as syrians. Even under the mandate they were classified by the major cities such as damascus and aleppo.

Nationalist terms came with the end of the empire.

The concept of the modern nation state first appeared in the Peace of Westphalia in 1648 CE and the political ideology of Nationalism first appeared in Great Britain in the early 18th century, but burgeoned in Europe in the post Napoleonic era. There were no real nations as we now know them before then. As you've said people identified first by their familly/tribal group, then by their town or city-state, them by their region or monarch.

Apart from the great empires of years ago when whole areas of land saw themselves as belonging to a particular group, like the Greeks, Trojans, Romans and Israelites. When the empires of old were "killed" off the people still clung to their old system as shown by the Roman empire. Even today we still form family groups and tribes based around cities and towns, just look at the following for football teams. They descend into tribal wars sometimes

... The Arab Palestinians, having declined to form the precursor institutions on more than three occasions, by declining to cooperation in developing precursors to self-governing institution, discarded the right to consulted on all matters relating to immigration, Arab civil and religious rights, on which it was recognized that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration.” Even in 1947, the Arab Palestinian the Arab Higher Committee refused to cooperate to be an advisor to the identified successor government; not being denied a voice --- but instead again declining to be an active voice.

The nature of the Arab Palestinian is much different than you are attempting to portray them. That is the difference --- the propaganda is the attmept to cast them as the perpetual victim --- when the reality is they short themselves in the foot.

Just my thought... (Don't decline to participate --- and them complain you didn't get what you wanted.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Firstly Arab Palestinians did form part of the government of Palestine until it became obvious to them that the British were intent on enabling the Zionist Jewish immigrants to disposess them of their country. They refused to be willing participants in their own destruction. They attempted their own "war of independance" in 1936 which was brutally surpressed by the british aided by Zionist militias and death squads. By 1945 the top Palestinian civil and political leadership was either dead, in prison or in exile, so couldn't meaninfully "participate" in anything.

LINK ? ? ? ?


And don't forget to include the massacres of the Jews from 1850 onwards ?

Amazon.co.uk palestine and the arab-israeli conflict Books

 

[Challenger]

Really now....there seem to be a whole lot of "others" alive.

Not really when you consider the numbers there were before the Islamic invasion, everywhere they invade they ethnically cleanse and decimate the indigenous

That doesn't jive with history.

Who's history are we talking about here, as the history of islam is steeped in mass murders, genocides and ethnic cleansing. Just look at the Cathedral of Bones in Spain built using the skeletons of the many hundreds of thousands murdered by muslims, then say that history is wrong

What "Cathederal of bones" in Spain?

The one adorned with the skeletons of the massacred Christians and Jews at the hands of the muslims

No such place.

 

[Challenger]

Really now....there seem to be a whole lot of "others" alive.

Not really when you consider the numbers there were before the Islamic invasion, everywhere they invade they ethnically cleanse and decimate the indigenous

That doesn't jive with history.

Who's history are we talking about here, as the history of islam is steeped in mass murders, genocides and ethnic cleansing. Just look at the Cathedral of Bones in Spain built using the skeletons of the many hundreds of thousands murdered by muslims, then say that history is wrong

What "Cathederal of bones" in Spain?

Never heard of it before but it piqued my curiousity....here's what I found:

Capela de Ossos Bone Chapel Atlas Obscura

9 of the Strangest Bone Churches of Europe BootsnAll

I think he's referring to this, but of course ommitting a bit of history:
The Skull Cathedral of Otranto Where the Bones of 800 Martyrs Adorn the Walls

The Ottoman Wars were motivated by territory gains and eradicating the Christian faith while spreading the Muslim one. Sound familiar? Just 200 hundred years earlier, the Christian Crusades (1095-1291) had led to an invasion of Northern Africa, with the crusaders’ goal to claim territory and eradicate the Muslim faith while spreading the Christian one. And the saga continues…​

Otranto is in Italy, not Spain. That's what threw me, but that's all you can expect from Phoney, he makes it up as he goes along.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It really doesn't matter if a group of Europeans may have decided to give land on another continent to other Europeans. The Berlin West Africa Conference in 1884-1885 gave the Congo to King Leopold of Belgium, big deal.

In any case, the LoN Mandate stated that " the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine....."

Since the rights and political status non-Jewish communities in Palestine were prejudiced (most non-Jews were ethnically cleansed), and the National Home was established as a state and not as a home within Palestine, the LoN Mandate is irrelevant to the current dispute.

You do not know what you are talking about, you just spout parrot fashion what your imam tells you. The LoN Mandate for Palestine is explicit in what it says, and your missing out crucial parts does not alter the facts. The LoN being the legal land owners gave the land to the Jews for their RESURECTED NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. The term in itself names it as a state or NATION. It also spells out that those non Jews living in the area an stay as full citizens or move to any of the other states or nations created under the Mandate. Not one of the Non Jews was prejudiced under the international laws of the time which did not mention politics or rights other than those already mentioned in the Mandate. Once again you try and cloud the issue by bringing in 2015 rights to a 1948 dispute that they do not cover. Unless of course you want to go back to the time of the Roman invasion and grant the land to the last extant group from that period. You can forget the arab muslims as they were invented in 627 C.E., and the Christians were not invented until the 4C C.E. when Rome collapsed. This leaves the Jews that have been proven to have DNA matches with ancient Jews and modern Jews from around the world.


And why did you miss the part of regarding the Jews rights that have been systematically denied by every islamonazi nation since 1948 ?

Where does the word "resurected", even spelled correctly, you ignoramus, ever appear in the Mandate? Come on bozo, find the word in the Mandate text. The Jews came from Europe as colonists/settlers/invaders (as it turned out). That's the one fact that no one can deny. You can't get it through your thick skull that the people in Palestine in the mid 19th century, before the Europeans began their colonization, were the same people that were always in Palestine. Most had been Christian before they converted to Islam. Before becoming Christians most followed the Roman state religion (which was the wise thing to do), before that they could have been of any pre-Christian faith Jewish included. But as in most areas of the world they remained mostly the same people. The general ethnic make up of the Irish population did not change drastically when they were Christianized nor after the English/Scottish colonization/setllement.

This exert from International law should shut you up for a short time as it shows the Jews were granted the land as far back as 1922 before the major illegal immigration of the arab muslims

Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory


PALESTINE



INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.

OK, you have defined Palestine's borders.

Now show where that land was given exclusively to the Jews.

Read the header as that says just that

Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory

No mention of any arab muslim nation of Palestine anywhere in the Mandate for Palestine

Jewish National Home​

What does that mean?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

No... That would be wrong.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Boy --- you do like to twist the words around.

Ownership is a real estate concepts.​

So the French do not own France?

That's good to know. Who does?

(COMMENT)

Well -- I did not say that. I said it was irrelevant to the issue of Sovereignty.

The French People do not own all the property in the French Republic. For instance Embassies are owned by other countries and are sovereign unto other countries. The Hilton Hotel (2 Palce de la Defense) is partially owned by the French Businessman and is in sovereign French territory. The The European Space Agency (ESA ; French: Agence spatiale européenne, ASE) is a special intergovernmental activity, with multiple EU members with a vested interest; but still in French sovereignty. And of course the French interest in the ESA/ASE is own collectively by the French people as is most government property and real estate. (The French Republic nor the French People need not "own" the land for the land to be sovereign to France.) The US and Canada have treaties with Indian Tribes in which sovereignty is of special interest.

French sovereign territory is defined by the various treaties it has with the adjacent countries.

Most Respectfully,
R

So much smoke to dodge an issue.

French sovereign territory is defined by the various treaties it has with the adjacent countries.​

And the French collectively "own" that. Nobody else.

(COMMENT)

Ownership and sovereignty are not related in most cases.

I can own land in Canada, it doesn't affect the sovereignty; still Canadian Sovereignty.

A Canadian can own land in the US. It doesn't effect sovereignty; still American Sovereignty.

Just because the land is inside a specific sovereignty, does not mean that sovereignty owns it. Ownership does not generally affect the sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, what was that.

Jewish National Home​

What does that mean?

(REFERENCE)

06/03/1922 "Churchill White Paper" - UK Secretary of State for the Colonies

"They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded in Palestine."

When it is asked what is meant by the development of the Jewish National Home in Palestine, it may be answered that it is not the imposition of a Jewish nationality upon the inhabitants of Palestine as a whole, but the further development of the existing Jewish community, with the assistance of Jews in other parts of the world, in order that it may become a center in which the Jewish people as a whole may take, on grounds of religion and race, an interest and a pride. But in order that this community should have the best prospect of free development and provide full opportunity for the Jewish people to display its capacities, it is essential that it should know that it is in Palestine as of right and not on sufferance. That is the reason why it is necessary that the existence of a Jewish National Home in Palestine should be internationally guaranteed, and that it should be formally recognized to rest upon ancient historic connection.​

In the Churchill White Paper, two points were made very clear:

• The establishment of the Jewish National Home would not include a "forced" imposition of Jewish Nationality on the Arab Palestinian.
• The Jewish National Home would not include the entire landscape of the territory to which the Mandate applied (Article 25 - for the Hashemite Kingdom).
• Jewish National Home in Palestine should be internationally guaranteed.
• It may become a center in which the Jewish people as a whole may take.

08/12/1922 Mandate C. 529. M. 314.1922. VI. League of Nations Mandate for Palestine
Note that Article 4 and Article 6 and Article 7 --- are essential in the understanding the magnitude. Key Points:

First --- "it is essential that it should know that it is in Palestine ​

as of right and not on sufferance.​

• Jewish agency shall be recognized as a public body
• The purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such --- as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home
  • Economic,
  • Social
  • and other matters
• Secure the co-operation of all Jews
  • Willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.
• Facilitate Jewish immigration
  • Shall encourage close settlement by Jews on the land, including
    • State lands and
    • waste lands not required for public purposes.
• Facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship
  • Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine

(COMMENT)

Yes, there are key factors.

When it talks about Jewish Nationality, it protects the Arab population from it being forced upon them, but does not exclude the use of Jewish Nationality (suggesting a state)(it cannot impose Jewish Nationality on the Arab community). The over all magnitude of the Jewish National Home is much greater than just a few farms or parcels of land. The magnitude is reflected in the fact that immigration and land acquisition, along with citizenship are required. It is of a magnitude that it will have Economic and Social implications.

The meaning does not demand an independent nation, but it certainly does not preclude such a solution for the Jewish National Home.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

No... That would be wrong.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Boy --- you do like to twist the words around.

Ownership is a real estate concepts.​

So the French do not own France?

That's good to know. Who does?

(COMMENT)

Well -- I did not say that. I said it was irrelevant to the issue of Sovereignty.

The French People do not own all the property in the French Republic. For instance Embassies are owned by other countries and are sovereign unto other countries. The Hilton Hotel (2 Palce de la Defense) is partially owned by the French Businessman and is in sovereign French territory. The The European Space Agency (ESA ; French: Agence spatiale européenne, ASE) is a special intergovernmental activity, with multiple EU members with a vested interest; but still in French sovereignty. And of course the French interest in the ESA/ASE is own collectively by the French people as is most government property and real estate. (The French Republic nor the French People need not "own" the land for the land to be sovereign to France.) The US and Canada have treaties with Indian Tribes in which sovereignty is of special interest.

French sovereign territory is defined by the various treaties it has with the adjacent countries.

Most Respectfully,
R

So much smoke to dodge an issue.

French sovereign territory is defined by the various treaties it has with the adjacent countries.​

And the French collectively "own" that. Nobody else.

(COMMENT)

Ownership and sovereignty are not related in most cases.

I can own land in Canada, it doesn't affect the sovereignty; still Canadian Sovereignty.

A Canadian can own land in the US. It doesn't effect sovereignty; still American Sovereignty.

Just because the land is inside a specific sovereignty, does not mean that sovereignty owns it. Ownership does not generally affect the sovereignty.

Most Respectfully,
R

Good post.

The theory of popular sovereignty drives customary international law. It is the people who are sovereign. Governments are sovereign as extensions of the people. governments derive their legitimacy from the will of the people.

Look at the standard list of the peoples rights. They are:

The right to self determination without external interference.

The right to independence and sovereignty.

The right to territorial integrity.​

Who has these rights? The tenets of a state tell us. A state has a permanent population and a defined territory. The people of the place have these rights. The people from another place do not.

Territorial integrity is important. It is reiterated in several places. Acts of aggression are illegal. Acquiring territory through war is illegal. Annexing occupied territory is illegal.

There is no question as to who "owns" land.

 

[Challenger]

Challenger, et al,

Yes --- I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing.

The Arabs of Palestine not once participated in the active governance process of Palestine or helped to establish self-governing institutions - NOT ONCE (From 1922 to 1947)...

The Arabs of Palestine did nothing to further their support toward self-government in the territory to which the Mandate applied.

Most Respectfully,
R

Not quite. Your post fails to explain the reasons the Palestinian Muslim majority rejected these attempts and also omits this section from your own source:

"71. Meanwhile the Administration was preparing for a renewed attempt to establish self-governing institutions in Palestine. Elections were held in all the municipalities following the enactment of a new Municipal Corporations Ordinance in January , 1934. At the end of 1935, the High Commissioner communicated to the Jewish and Arab leaders proposals for the creation of a Legislative Council...

72. This project was rejected as unacceptable by the Zionists. The Arabs, although critical of its details, were ready to discuss it..."

A AC.14 8 of 2 October 1947

Ultimately, the Zionists were happy to accept any measure that furthered their agenda while unsurprisingly the Palestinian majority rejected such measures, and vice versa. Palestinian Muslims chose their own path to self government, the fact it did not necessarily adhere to institutions that Britain and the Western powers wanted or envisaged is irrelevant. Did they make bad decisions? With hindsight, yes they did, but at the time it was touch and go that the British would abandon Palestine in 1938-39; had they done so we might well have a peaceful and stable Palestine and a less radicalised Middle East in general. But that's just speculation.

 

[Phoenall]

So when did the Syrians and Egyptians start calling themselves palestinians ?

When did the Syrians start calling themselves Syrian?
When did the Egyptians start calling themselves Egyptian?

They had the most important thing -- a sense of identity as a people.

"Palestinians" were simply made up as a propaganda tool against Jews and had no such identity until encouraged by the Egyptian Named Arafat to start calling themselves such.

The Palestinians formed an identity as a group of people who lived in that area - every group of people start out that way.

The name of sura come from the hittites, turks. Greeks changed used to the term syria for the northern assyria, Iraq. Romans used syria for the levant area. The people identified by their city-state, not as syrians. Even under the mandate they were classified by the major cities such as damascus and aleppo.

Nationalist terms came with the end of the empire.

The concept of the modern nation state first appeared in the Peace of Westphalia in 1648 CE and the political ideology of Nationalism first appeared in Great Britain in the early 18th century, but burgeoned in Europe in the post Napoleonic era. There were no real nations as we now know them before then. As you've said people identified first by their familly/tribal group, then by their town or city-state, them by their region or monarch.

Apart from the great empires of years ago when whole areas of land saw themselves as belonging to a particular group, like the Greeks, Trojans, Romans and Israelites. When the empires of old were "killed" off the people still clung to their old system as shown by the Roman empire. Even today we still form family groups and tribes based around cities and towns, just look at the following for football teams. They descend into tribal wars sometimes

... The Arab Palestinians, having declined to form the precursor institutions on more than three occasions, by declining to cooperation in developing precursors to self-governing institution, discarded the right to consulted on all matters relating to immigration, Arab civil and religious rights, on which it was recognized that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration.” Even in 1947, the Arab Palestinian the Arab Higher Committee refused to cooperate to be an advisor to the identified successor government; not being denied a voice --- but instead again declining to be an active voice.

The nature of the Arab Palestinian is much different than you are attempting to portray them. That is the difference --- the propaganda is the attmept to cast them as the perpetual victim --- when the reality is they short themselves in the foot.

Just my thought... (Don't decline to participate --- and them complain you didn't get what you wanted.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Firstly Arab Palestinians did form part of the government of Palestine until it became obvious to them that the British were intent on enabling the Zionist Jewish immigrants to disposess them of their country. They refused to be willing participants in their own destruction. They attempted their own "war of independance" in 1936 which was brutally surpressed by the british aided by Zionist militias and death squads. By 1945 the top Palestinian civil and political leadership was either dead, in prison or in exile, so couldn't meaninfully "participate" in anything.

LINK ? ? ? ?


And don't forget to include the massacres of the Jews from 1850 onwards ?

Amazon.co.uk palestine and the arab-israeli conflict Books

Cant see any proof of anything in your link to a commercial outlet, I believe that advertising on this board is against the rules under zone 2.

 

[Phoenall]

Not really when you consider the numbers there were before the Islamic invasion, everywhere they invade they ethnically cleanse and decimate the indigenous

That doesn't jive with history.

Who's history are we talking about here, as the history of islam is steeped in mass murders, genocides and ethnic cleansing. Just look at the Cathedral of Bones in Spain built using the skeletons of the many hundreds of thousands murdered by muslims, then say that history is wrong

What "Cathederal of bones" in Spain?

The one adorned with the skeletons of the massacred Christians and Jews at the hands of the muslims

No such place.

Yes there is

 

[Phoenall]

Not really when you consider the numbers there were before the Islamic invasion, everywhere they invade they ethnically cleanse and decimate the indigenous

That doesn't jive with history.

Who's history are we talking about here, as the history of islam is steeped in mass murders, genocides and ethnic cleansing. Just look at the Cathedral of Bones in Spain built using the skeletons of the many hundreds of thousands murdered by muslims, then say that history is wrong

What "Cathederal of bones" in Spain?

Never heard of it before but it piqued my curiousity....here's what I found:

Capela de Ossos Bone Chapel Atlas Obscura

9 of the Strangest Bone Churches of Europe BootsnAll

I think he's referring to this, but of course ommitting a bit of history:
The Skull Cathedral of Otranto Where the Bones of 800 Martyrs Adorn the Walls

The Ottoman Wars were motivated by territory gains and eradicating the Christian faith while spreading the Muslim one. Sound familiar? Just 200 hundred years earlier, the Christian Crusades (1095-1291) had led to an invasion of Northern Africa, with the crusaders’ goal to claim territory and eradicate the Muslim faith while spreading the Christian one. And the saga continues…​

Otranto is in Italy, not Spain. That's what threw me, but that's all you can expect from Phoney, he makes it up as he goes along.

There are "bone" churches all over Europe if you look, just that there are many in Spain from the Islamic period using the bones of martyred |Christians and Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

You do not know what you are talking about, you just spout parrot fashion what your imam tells you. The LoN Mandate for Palestine is explicit in what it says, and your missing out crucial parts does not alter the facts. The LoN being the legal land owners gave the land to the Jews for their RESURECTED NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. The term in itself names it as a state or NATION. It also spells out that those non Jews living in the area an stay as full citizens or move to any of the other states or nations created under the Mandate. Not one of the Non Jews was prejudiced under the international laws of the time which did not mention politics or rights other than those already mentioned in the Mandate. Once again you try and cloud the issue by bringing in 2015 rights to a 1948 dispute that they do not cover. Unless of course you want to go back to the time of the Roman invasion and grant the land to the last extant group from that period. You can forget the arab muslims as they were invented in 627 C.E., and the Christians were not invented until the 4C C.E. when Rome collapsed. This leaves the Jews that have been proven to have DNA matches with ancient Jews and modern Jews from around the world.


And why did you miss the part of regarding the Jews rights that have been systematically denied by every islamonazi nation since 1948 ?

Where does the word "resurected", even spelled correctly, you ignoramus, ever appear in the Mandate? Come on bozo, find the word in the Mandate text. The Jews came from Europe as colonists/settlers/invaders (as it turned out). That's the one fact that no one can deny. You can't get it through your thick skull that the people in Palestine in the mid 19th century, before the Europeans began their colonization, were the same people that were always in Palestine. Most had been Christian before they converted to Islam. Before becoming Christians most followed the Roman state religion (which was the wise thing to do), before that they could have been of any pre-Christian faith Jewish included. But as in most areas of the world they remained mostly the same people. The general ethnic make up of the Irish population did not change drastically when they were Christianized nor after the English/Scottish colonization/setllement.

This exert from International law should shut you up for a short time as it shows the Jews were granted the land as far back as 1922 before the major illegal immigration of the arab muslims

Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory


PALESTINE



INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.

OK, you have defined Palestine's borders.

Now show where that land was given exclusively to the Jews.

Read the header as that says just that

Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory

No mention of any arab muslim nation of Palestine anywhere in the Mandate for Palestine

Jewish National Home​

What does that mean?

Same thing as the arab national home, Syrian national home, Iraqi national home and American national home. The homeland of the people who live there. The arab muslims had been given 5 national homes taking up 99.9% of Palestine as agreed with the British prior to WW1.

 

[Challenger]

Where does the word "resurected", even spelled correctly, you ignoramus, ever appear in the Mandate? Come on bozo, find the word in the Mandate text. The Jews came from Europe as colonists/settlers/invaders (as it turned out). That's the one fact that no one can deny. You can't get it through your thick skull that the people in Palestine in the mid 19th century, before the Europeans began their colonization, were the same people that were always in Palestine. Most had been Christian before they converted to Islam. Before becoming Christians most followed the Roman state religion (which was the wise thing to do), before that they could have been of any pre-Christian faith Jewish included. But as in most areas of the world they remained mostly the same people. The general ethnic make up of the Irish population did not change drastically when they were Christianized nor after the English/Scottish colonization/setllement.

This exert from International law should shut you up for a short time as it shows the Jews were granted the land as far back as 1922 before the major illegal immigration of the arab muslims

Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory


PALESTINE



INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.

OK, you have defined Palestine's borders.

Now show where that land was given exclusively to the Jews.

Read the header as that says just that

Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory

No mention of any arab muslim nation of Palestine anywhere in the Mandate for Palestine

Jewish National Home​

What does that mean?

Same thing as the arab national home, Syrian national home, Iraqi national home and American national home. The homeland of the people who live there. The arab muslims had been given 5 national homes taking up 99.9% of Palestine as agreed with the British prior to WW1.

Drivel. "National homes" are not "Nation states".

 

[Challenger]

I have read many works by well renowned academics...

Name them and their books that you've allegedly read.

Define Zionist and Zionism in your own words first........................

I'll take that as an admission you haven't read any "works by well renowned academics" and are just making things up as usual.

 

[Challenger]

That doesn't jive with history.

Who's history are we talking about here, as the history of islam is steeped in mass murders, genocides and ethnic cleansing. Just look at the Cathedral of Bones in Spain built using the skeletons of the many hundreds of thousands murdered by muslims, then say that history is wrong

What "Cathederal of bones" in Spain?

Never heard of it before but it piqued my curiousity....here's what I found:

Capela de Ossos Bone Chapel Atlas Obscura

9 of the Strangest Bone Churches of Europe BootsnAll

I think he's referring to this, but of course ommitting a bit of history:
The Skull Cathedral of Otranto Where the Bones of 800 Martyrs Adorn the Walls

The Ottoman Wars were motivated by territory gains and eradicating the Christian faith while spreading the Muslim one. Sound familiar? Just 200 hundred years earlier, the Christian Crusades (1095-1291) had led to an invasion of Northern Africa, with the crusaders’ goal to claim territory and eradicate the Muslim faith while spreading the Christian one. And the saga continues…​

Otranto is in Italy, not Spain. That's what threw me, but that's all you can expect from Phoney, he makes it up as he goes along.

There are "bone" churches all over Europe if you look, just that there are many in Spain from the Islamic period using the bones of martyred |Christians and Jews.

Yes, the Roman Catholic Spanish are well known for placing the bones of Jewish people in their churches, although I suppose they could have been left-overs from the Inquisition. oh, BTW, we've moved well beyond this little "diversion", but it's only polite to let the slow catch up.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Who said I was ok with it?

Work on your reading skills.

Tens of thousands of your postings across multiple boards say you are o.k. with it.

When Muslims in Britain rape British children as a product of their supremacist mind set, you defend them while attacking anybody who objects. When a fat Islamist toad says she wants all Jews in one place so they can be exterminated more easily, you defend her while demanding people attack Jews, instead. Whenever ANY discussion appears that revolves around Muslim behavior, you are right there like Pavlov's pooch salivating away with your conditioned responses.

A Muslim can do no wrong in your myopic little world, and every time they do, you are right there trying to change the subject to an attack on somebody else, instead.