"Free Palestine

[Phoenall]

So when did the Syrians and Egyptians start calling themselves palestinians ?

When did the Syrians start calling themselves Syrian?
When did the Egyptians start calling themselves Egyptian?

They had the most important thing -- a sense of identity as a people.

"Palestinians" were simply made up as a propaganda tool against Jews and had no such identity until encouraged by the Egyptian Named Arafat to start calling themselves such.

The Palestinians formed an identity as a group of people who lived in that area - every group of people start out that way.

Well before the arab muslims started calling themselves Palestinians. At least 100 years before


And amongst that group were Jews who were given the chance to form a homeland and agreed. It seems that you are siding with the islamonazi stooges and Jew hating white supremacists in denying the Jews their human rights and wanting them to be stateless wandering bums so you can treat them like something you have stepped in.

Where did you come up with that? Where have I ever denied Jews their human rights or indicated I want them to be "stateless wandering bums"? Where?

I support Israel's right to exist. What I don't support is creating another wrong in order fix the old wrongs.

You have a habit of accusing anyone who even suggests that the Palestinians might have a just cause as being Jew hating white supremacists, or islamonazi's - because you can't see beyond black and white. If they don't agree, then they MUST be...blah blah blah.

Why is this, what have the Jews ever done to you to deserve such treatment ?

Where have I ever said they deserve such treatment?

Why do you lie?

I don't but you do when you deny your anti Semitism and Jew hatred. You constantly want to see Israel reduced to fighting for its existence by forcing them to give up their defence and move to non existent 1967 borders.

Good lord. Well, this should be easy to prove then right?

Please provide links to my "anti-semitism and Jew hatred". This should be easy for you. Shall I wait?

Look at your own posts in regards to the Jews and Israel. If I posted the same things about the arab muslims I would be banned from the board

 

[montelatici]

Now for the facts, after Phoeny's usual bullshit. In clarifying what was meant in the Mandate (and Balfour Declaration) the British Government issued a clarifying White Paper in 1922 which declared, in part:

"Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home,but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine...."

The Avalon Project British White Paper of June 1922

 

[Challenger]

As has been pointed out to you innumerable times, there has never been a country called Palestine run by "Palestinians". You are uneducable and so keep repeating this stupid nonsense.

Yet they lived there. Why should they be forced to leave?

Because they don't let others live, of course.

Really now....there seem to be a whole lot of "others" alive.

Not really when you consider the numbers there were before the Islamic invasion, everywhere they invade they ethnically cleanse and decimate the indigenous

Nah, you mean Zionist Israelis, thats what Zionists do.

 

[Challenger]

I deliberately chose English regions, but "British" will do at a pinch to demonstrate the regional variations within one country. Historically we did have sperate kingdoms for many English regions and many do want regional autonomy, (a recent genetic survey has found that a Geordie is genetically different from a Cornishman, but thats a topic for another forum) not just te scots or the Welsh.

My point was that the same or something similar applies to Palestinians, Syrians, etc. While they were all Ottoman subjects, a Syrian could tell a Palestinian from a Bedouin by their appearance, cultural traits and dialect. Yet all of them were considered a homogenous group: "Arabs", by the Western colonial powers who drew arbitrary lines in the sand and created a country of "Syria", "Palestine", "Jordan", etc.

even Scotland voted against separation.

Palestinians were never a state or kingdom. It is simply a roman name given to three part of the gaza sinai. It was never an autonomous rule nor a people.
How is it similar? They were tribes, arabs, various other races but not palestinian by race, language, religion, culture or anything else. It is simply a foreign designation of name for the area, not an arab name. Till the mandate they never called themselves palestinians or call the land palestine. Even as a sanjak within the syria vilayet it was called jerusalem, beirut, damascus, zor, mount lebanon, safad, nablus. Not since the 16th century had there even been a gaza within syria.

Till the mandate they would never have called themselves palestinian or claimed to have been part of any place called palestine. It was not in their language.

So what? Palestine has been a geo-political entity since at least Herodotus, and it's inhabitants were Palestinians, regardless of what they called themselves or what others may called them. Kurds have never had a State or Kingdom, but no-one denies they are a "nation".

Palaistinê, a greek term, to describe where the Philistines lived, people of Plešt. They likely called them selves caphtor. They would not have used a "foreign" name for identifying who they were.
That would be like american natives calling themselves indian. That was a term used by others not one they would have known or used.

So what? Palestine in one language or another has been called Palestine for at least a thousand years, be it a place where Philistines lived, or a Roman province, or a part of a wider Caliphate, or Ottoman subjects. It's just a label; the people who lived there throughout countless generations with their own language and customs, are still a "nation" like the Kurds. In the 19th and 20th centuries they decided to call themselves "Palestinians", much like the European foreigner colonists who decided to call themselves "Israelis", based purely on a semi-mythical Kingdom of Israel that may, or may not, have existed, but was written up in a so called "holy book" by a bunch of monotheist fanatics exiled in Babylonia.

But it was never a nation or state was it, it was just a place in the M.E. that no one wanted to claim.

EVERYBODY wanted to claim it, that's why everyone is STILL fighting over it. Palestine has been fought over for thousands of yours, go read a history book (preferably not by Joan Peters or Alan Derschowitz though, they're just BS Hasbararats), a good academic history book; they do exist.

 

[Challenger]

I deliberately chose English regions, but "British" will do at a pinch to demonstrate the regional variations within one country. Historically we did have sperate kingdoms for many English regions and many do want regional autonomy, (a recent genetic survey has found that a Geordie is genetically different from a Cornishman, but thats a topic for another forum) not just te scots or the Welsh.

My point was that the same or something similar applies to Palestinians, Syrians, etc. While they were all Ottoman subjects, a Syrian could tell a Palestinian from a Bedouin by their appearance, cultural traits and dialect. Yet all of them were considered a homogenous group: "Arabs", by the Western colonial powers who drew arbitrary lines in the sand and created a country of "Syria", "Palestine", "Jordan", etc.

even Scotland voted against separation.

Palestinians were never a state or kingdom. It is simply a roman name given to three part of the gaza sinai. It was never an autonomous rule nor a people.
How is it similar? They were tribes, arabs, various other races but not palestinian by race, language, religion, culture or anything else. It is simply a foreign designation of name for the area, not an arab name. Till the mandate they never called themselves palestinians or call the land palestine. Even as a sanjak within the syria vilayet it was called jerusalem, beirut, damascus, zor, mount lebanon, safad, nablus. Not since the 16th century had there even been a gaza within syria.

Till the mandate they would never have called themselves palestinian or claimed to have been part of any place called palestine. It was not in their language.

So what? Palestine has been a geo-political entity since at least Herodotus, and it's inhabitants were Palestinians, regardless of what they called themselves or what others may called them. Kurds have never had a State or Kingdom, but no-one denies they are a "nation".

So when did the Syrians and Egyptians start calling themselves palestinians ?

When did the Syrians start calling themselves Syrian?
When did the Egyptians start calling themselves Egyptian?

Did the Souix have a border? A capital? A currency? A GDP?

They had the most important thing -- a sense of identity as a people.

"Palestinians" were simply made up as a propaganda tool against Jews and had no such identity until encouraged by the Egyptian Named Arafat to start calling themselves such.

The Palestinians formed an identity as a group of people who lived in that area - every group of people start out that way.

The name of sura come from the hittites, turks. Greeks changed used to the term syria for the northern assyria, Iraq. Romans used syria for the levant area. The people identified by their city-state, not as syrians. Even under the mandate they were classified by the major cities such as damascus and aleppo.

Nationalist terms came with the end of the empire.

The concept of the modern nation state first appeared in the Peace of Westphalia in 1648 CE and the political ideology of Nationalism first appeared in Great Britain in the early 18th century, but burgeoned in Europe in the post Napoleonic era. There were no real nations as we now know them before then. As you've said people identified first by their familly/tribal group, then by their town or city-state, them by their region or monarch.

 

[Challenger]

When does a people become a "people" worthy of being recognized as such? Is it arbritrary depending on whether you approve of the group or not?

Before the events referenced in such a way as to try to justify various points of view, not after, and because the group identity arose naturally rather than through a product of cynical manipulation and deceit. Now, YOU certainly approve of a group that has elevated mass murder to a position of highest honor, which treats women as nothing but brood mares to produce as many potential killers as possible, and which invests it's resources into an enormous propaganda apparatus geared towards fooling useful idiots into supporting all this, but it isn't a matter of approval, but of reality. The reality of the situation is that "Palestinians" did not exist as a people at the time inevitably referenced by deceitful, cult-like followers such as yourself who have made the promotion of their agenda into their very Raison D' Etre.

Arabs attacked the fledgling state in 1947. Arabs vacated the property upon which they squatted in 1947. Hostilities ensued after Arabs attacked Jews that resulted in hostile Arabs leaving.

Now, 70 years later, its as if by magic that these Arabs are being cast as a people that did not actually exist at the time.

 

[Challenger]

... The Arab Palestinians, having declined to form the precursor institutions on more than three occasions, by declining to cooperation in developing precursors to self-governing institution, discarded the right to consulted on all matters relating to immigration, Arab civil and religious rights, on which it was recognized that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration.” Even in 1947, the Arab Palestinian the Arab Higher Committee refused to cooperate to be an advisor to the identified successor government; not being denied a voice --- but instead again declining to be an active voice.

The nature of the Arab Palestinian is much different than you are attempting to portray them. That is the difference --- the propaganda is the attmept to cast them as the perpetual victim --- when the reality is they short themselves in the foot.

Just my thought... (Don't decline to participate --- and them complain you didn't get what you wanted.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Firstly Arab Palestinians did form part of the government of Palestine until it became obvious to them that the British were intent on enabling the Zionist Jewish immigrants to disposess them of their country. They refused to be willing participants in their own destruction. They attempted their own "war of independance" in 1936 which was brutally surpressed by the british aided by Zionist militias and death squads. By 1945 the top Palestinian civil and political leadership was either dead, in prison or in exile, so couldn't meaninfully "participate" in anything.

 

[Challenger]

Yet they lived there. Why should they be forced to leave?

Because they don't let others live, of course.

Really now....there seem to be a whole lot of "others" alive.

Not really when you consider the numbers there were before the Islamic invasion, everywhere they invade they ethnically cleanse and decimate the indigenous

That doesn't jive with history.

Who's history are we talking about here, as the history of islam is steeped in mass murders, genocides and ethnic cleansing. Just look at the Cathedral of Bones in Spain built using the skeletons of the many hundreds of thousands murdered by muslims, then say that history is wrong

What "Cathederal of bones" in Spain?

 

[Phoenall]

Now for the facts, after Phoeny's usual bullshit. In clarifying what was meant in the Mandate (and Balfour Declaration) the British Government issued a clarifying White Paper in 1922 which declared, in part:

"Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab delegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home,but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine...."

The Avalon Project British White Paper of June 1922

Another islamonazi idiot that does not realise that a White Paper is not a binding document, all it is in reality is a preamble for a debate or consultation on the subject submitted by one person. It never got past the white paper stage and was subsequently shelved .

Want to try again Haniya only this time using actual legal documents and not some unalterable policy commitment.


See here

White paper - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


The term "white paper" originated with the British government, and many point to the Churchill White Paper of 1922 as the earliest well-known example under this name.[citation needed] In British government it is usually the less extensive version of the so-called "blue book", both terms being derived from the colour of the document's cover.[2]

White Papers are a "... tool of participatory democracy ... not [an] unalterable policy commitment".[4] "White Papers have tried to perform the dual role of presenting firm government policies while at the same time inviting opinions upon them

 

[Phoenall]

As has been pointed out to you innumerable times, there has never been a country called Palestine run by "Palestinians". You are uneducable and so keep repeating this stupid nonsense.

Yet they lived there. Why should they be forced to leave?

Because they don't let others live, of course.

Really now....there seem to be a whole lot of "others" alive.

Not really when you consider the numbers there were before the Islamic invasion, everywhere they invade they ethnically cleanse and decimate the indigenous

Nah, you mean Zionist Israelis, thats what Zionists do.

How about a LINK from a non partisan source then, say the last census of Israel or "Palestine" ?


Strange isn't it that the arab muslims in gaza and the west bank are increasing at a rate of 19% ( highest rate in the world ) while the Christians have decreased by 90% due to ethnic cleansing by arab muslims.

 

[Phoenall]

even Scotland voted against separation.

Palestinians were never a state or kingdom. It is simply a roman name given to three part of the gaza sinai. It was never an autonomous rule nor a people.
How is it similar? They were tribes, arabs, various other races but not palestinian by race, language, religion, culture or anything else. It is simply a foreign designation of name for the area, not an arab name. Till the mandate they never called themselves palestinians or call the land palestine. Even as a sanjak within the syria vilayet it was called jerusalem, beirut, damascus, zor, mount lebanon, safad, nablus. Not since the 16th century had there even been a gaza within syria.

Till the mandate they would never have called themselves palestinian or claimed to have been part of any place called palestine. It was not in their language.

So what? Palestine has been a geo-political entity since at least Herodotus, and it's inhabitants were Palestinians, regardless of what they called themselves or what others may called them. Kurds have never had a State or Kingdom, but no-one denies they are a "nation".

Palaistinê, a greek term, to describe where the Philistines lived, people of Plešt. They likely called them selves caphtor. They would not have used a "foreign" name for identifying who they were.
That would be like american natives calling themselves indian. That was a term used by others not one they would have known or used.

So what? Palestine in one language or another has been called Palestine for at least a thousand years, be it a place where Philistines lived, or a Roman province, or a part of a wider Caliphate, or Ottoman subjects. It's just a label; the people who lived there throughout countless generations with their own language and customs, are still a "nation" like the Kurds. In the 19th and 20th centuries they decided to call themselves "Palestinians", much like the European foreigner colonists who decided to call themselves "Israelis", based purely on a semi-mythical Kingdom of Israel that may, or may not, have existed, but was written up in a so called "holy book" by a bunch of monotheist fanatics exiled in Babylonia.

But it was never a nation or state was it, it was just a place in the M.E. that no one wanted to claim.

EVERYBODY wanted to claim it, that's why everyone is STILL fighting over it. Palestine has been fought over for thousands of yours, go read a history book (preferably not by Joan Peters or Alan Derschowitz though, they're just BS Hasbararats), a good academic history book; they do exist.

Only when the LoN decided to give it to the Jews for their NATIONAL HOME. It was not fought over as no one bothered with it as a place to raise families, it was just the sight of the battles for control of small parts like Jerusalem. I have read many works by well renowned academics who state that the holy land was mud brick hovels around watering holes and miles of uninhabited desert. They also saw that the few arab muslims there were nomadic tribesmen who wandered around following the food for their animals.

 

[Phoenall]

even Scotland voted against separation.

Palestinians were never a state or kingdom. It is simply a roman name given to three part of the gaza sinai. It was never an autonomous rule nor a people.
How is it similar? They were tribes, arabs, various other races but not palestinian by race, language, religion, culture or anything else. It is simply a foreign designation of name for the area, not an arab name. Till the mandate they never called themselves palestinians or call the land palestine. Even as a sanjak within the syria vilayet it was called jerusalem, beirut, damascus, zor, mount lebanon, safad, nablus. Not since the 16th century had there even been a gaza within syria.

Till the mandate they would never have called themselves palestinian or claimed to have been part of any place called palestine. It was not in their language.

So what? Palestine has been a geo-political entity since at least Herodotus, and it's inhabitants were Palestinians, regardless of what they called themselves or what others may called them. Kurds have never had a State or Kingdom, but no-one denies they are a "nation".

So when did the Syrians and Egyptians start calling themselves palestinians ?

When did the Syrians start calling themselves Syrian?
When did the Egyptians start calling themselves Egyptian?

Did the Souix have a border? A capital? A currency? A GDP?

They had the most important thing -- a sense of identity as a people.

"Palestinians" were simply made up as a propaganda tool against Jews and had no such identity until encouraged by the Egyptian Named Arafat to start calling themselves such.

The Palestinians formed an identity as a group of people who lived in that area - every group of people start out that way.

The name of sura come from the hittites, turks. Greeks changed used to the term syria for the northern assyria, Iraq. Romans used syria for the levant area. The people identified by their city-state, not as syrians. Even under the mandate they were classified by the major cities such as damascus and aleppo.

Nationalist terms came with the end of the empire.

The concept of the modern nation state first appeared in the Peace of Westphalia in 1648 CE and the political ideology of Nationalism first appeared in Great Britain in the early 18th century, but burgeoned in Europe in the post Napoleonic era. There were no real nations as we now know them before then. As you've said people identified first by their familly/tribal group, then by their town or city-state, them by their region or monarch.

Apart from the great empires of years ago when whole areas of land saw themselves as belonging to a particular group, like the Greeks, Trojans, Romans and Israelites. When the empires of old were "killed" off the people still clung to their old system as shown by the Roman empire. Even today we still form family groups and tribes based around cities and towns, just look at the following for football teams. They descend into tribal wars sometimes

... The Arab Palestinians, having declined to form the precursor institutions on more than three occasions, by declining to cooperation in developing precursors to self-governing institution, discarded the right to consulted on all matters relating to immigration, Arab civil and religious rights, on which it was recognized that “the views of the Arab community were entitled to special consideration.” Even in 1947, the Arab Palestinian the Arab Higher Committee refused to cooperate to be an advisor to the identified successor government; not being denied a voice --- but instead again declining to be an active voice.

The nature of the Arab Palestinian is much different than you are attempting to portray them. That is the difference --- the propaganda is the attmept to cast them as the perpetual victim --- when the reality is they short themselves in the foot.

Just my thought... (Don't decline to participate --- and them complain you didn't get what you wanted.)

Most Respectfully,
R

Firstly Arab Palestinians did form part of the government of Palestine until it became obvious to them that the British were intent on enabling the Zionist Jewish immigrants to disposess them of their country. They refused to be willing participants in their own destruction. They attempted their own "war of independance" in 1936 which was brutally surpressed by the british aided by Zionist militias and death squads. By 1945 the top Palestinian civil and political leadership was either dead, in prison or in exile, so couldn't meaninfully "participate" in anything.

LINK ? ? ? ?


And don't forget to include the massacres of the Jews from 1850 onwards ?

 

[Phoenall]

Because they don't let others live, of course.

Really now....there seem to be a whole lot of "others" alive.

Not really when you consider the numbers there were before the Islamic invasion, everywhere they invade they ethnically cleanse and decimate the indigenous

That doesn't jive with history.

Who's history are we talking about here, as the history of islam is steeped in mass murders, genocides and ethnic cleansing. Just look at the Cathedral of Bones in Spain built using the skeletons of the many hundreds of thousands murdered by muslims, then say that history is wrong

What "Cathederal of bones" in Spain?

The one adorned with the skeletons of the massacred Christians and Jews at the hands of the muslims

 

[Coyote]

Because they don't let others live, of course.

Really now....there seem to be a whole lot of "others" alive.

Not really when you consider the numbers there were before the Islamic invasion, everywhere they invade they ethnically cleanse and decimate the indigenous

That doesn't jive with history.

Who's history are we talking about here, as the history of islam is steeped in mass murders, genocides and ethnic cleansing. Just look at the Cathedral of Bones in Spain built using the skeletons of the many hundreds of thousands murdered by muslims, then say that history is wrong

What "Cathederal of bones" in Spain?

Never heard of it before but it piqued my curiousity....here's what I found:

Capela de Ossos Bone Chapel Atlas Obscura

9 of the Strangest Bone Churches of Europe BootsnAll

I think he's referring to this, but of course ommitting a bit of history:
The Skull Cathedral of Otranto Where the Bones of 800 Martyrs Adorn the Walls

The Ottoman Wars were motivated by territory gains and eradicating the Christian faith while spreading the Muslim one. Sound familiar? Just 200 hundred years earlier, the Christian Crusades (1095-1291) had led to an invasion of Northern Africa, with the crusaders’ goal to claim territory and eradicate the Muslim faith while spreading the Christian one. And the saga continues…​

 

[P F Tinmore]

It really doesn't matter if a group of Europeans may have decided to give land on another continent to other Europeans. The Berlin West Africa Conference in 1884-1885 gave the Congo to King Leopold of Belgium, big deal.

In any case, the LoN Mandate stated that " the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine....."

Since the rights and political status non-Jewish communities in Palestine were prejudiced (most non-Jews were ethnically cleansed), and the National Home was established as a state and not as a home within Palestine, the LoN Mandate is irrelevant to the current dispute.

You do not know what you are talking about, you just spout parrot fashion what your imam tells you. The LoN Mandate for Palestine is explicit in what it says, and your missing out crucial parts does not alter the facts. The LoN being the legal land owners gave the land to the Jews for their RESURECTED NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. The term in itself names it as a state or NATION. It also spells out that those non Jews living in the area an stay as full citizens or move to any of the other states or nations created under the Mandate. Not one of the Non Jews was prejudiced under the international laws of the time which did not mention politics or rights other than those already mentioned in the Mandate. Once again you try and cloud the issue by bringing in 2015 rights to a 1948 dispute that they do not cover. Unless of course you want to go back to the time of the Roman invasion and grant the land to the last extant group from that period. You can forget the arab muslims as they were invented in 627 C.E., and the Christians were not invented until the 4C C.E. when Rome collapsed. This leaves the Jews that have been proven to have DNA matches with ancient Jews and modern Jews from around the world.


And why did you miss the part of regarding the Jews rights that have been systematically denied by every islamonazi nation since 1948 ?

Where does the word "resurected", even spelled correctly, you ignoramus, ever appear in the Mandate? Come on bozo, find the word in the Mandate text. The Jews came from Europe as colonists/settlers/invaders (as it turned out). That's the one fact that no one can deny. You can't get it through your thick skull that the people in Palestine in the mid 19th century, before the Europeans began their colonization, were the same people that were always in Palestine. Most had been Christian before they converted to Islam. Before becoming Christians most followed the Roman state religion (which was the wise thing to do), before that they could have been of any pre-Christian faith Jewish included. But as in most areas of the world they remained mostly the same people. The general ethnic make up of the Irish population did not change drastically when they were Christianized nor after the English/Scottish colonization/setllement.

This exert from International law should shut you up for a short time as it shows the Jews were granted the land as far back as 1922 before the major illegal immigration of the arab muslims

Delineating the final geographical area of Palestine designated for the Jewish National Home on September 16, 1922, as described by the Mandatory


PALESTINE



INTRODUCTORY.


POSITION, ETC.


Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between Latitude 30º N. and 33º N., Longitude 34º 30’ E. and 35º 30’ E.

On the North it is bounded by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and Lebanon, on the East by Syria and Trans-Jordan, on the South-west by the Egyptian province of Sinai, on the South-east by the Gulf of Aqaba and on the West by the Mediterranean. The frontier with Syria was laid down by the Anglo-French Convention of the 23rd December, 1920, and its delimitation was ratified in 1923. Briefly stated, the boundaries are as follows: -

North. – From Ras en Naqura on the Mediterranean eastwards to a point west of Qadas, thence in a northerly direction to Metulla, thence east to a point west of Banias.

East. – From Banias in a southerly direction east of Lake Hula to Jisr Banat Ya’pub, thence along a line east of the Jordan and the Lake of Tiberias and on to El Hamme station on the Samakh-Deraa railway line, thence along the centre of the river Yarmuq to its confluence with the Jordan, thence along the centres of the Jordan, the Dead Sea and the Wadi Araba to a point on the Gulf of Aqaba two miles west of the town of Aqaba, thence along the shore of the Gulf of Aqaba to Ras Jaba.

South. – From Ras Jaba in a generally north-westerly direction to the junction of the Neki-Aqaba and Gaza-Aqaba Roads, thence to a point west-north-west of Ain Maghara and thence to a point on the Mediterranean coast north-west of Rafa.

West. – The Mediterranean Sea.

OK, you have defined Palestine's borders.

Now show where that land was given exclusively to the Jews.

 

[Coyote]

When did the Syrians start calling themselves Syrian?
When did the Egyptians start calling themselves Egyptian?
The Palestinians formed an identity as a group of people who lived in that area - every group of people start out that way.

Well before the arab muslims started calling themselves Palestinians. At least 100 years before


And amongst that group were Jews who were given the chance to form a homeland and agreed. It seems that you are siding with the islamonazi stooges and Jew hating white supremacists in denying the Jews their human rights and wanting them to be stateless wandering bums so you can treat them like something you have stepped in.

Where did you come up with that? Where have I ever denied Jews their human rights or indicated I want them to be "stateless wandering bums"? Where?

I support Israel's right to exist. What I don't support is creating another wrong in order fix the old wrongs.

You have a habit of accusing anyone who even suggests that the Palestinians might have a just cause as being Jew hating white supremacists, or islamonazi's - because you can't see beyond black and white. If they don't agree, then they MUST be...blah blah blah.

Why is this, what have the Jews ever done to you to deserve such treatment ?

Where have I ever said they deserve such treatment?

Why do you lie?

I don't but you do when you deny your anti Semitism and Jew hatred. You constantly want to see Israel reduced to fighting for its existence by forcing them to give up their defence and move to non existent 1967 borders.

Good lord. Well, this should be easy to prove then right?

Please provide links to my "anti-semitism and Jew hatred". This should be easy for you. Shall I wait?

Look at your own posts in regards to the Jews and Israel. If I posted the same things about the arab muslims I would be banned from the board

Then it should be easy to provide examples of my posts to support your claim...come on Phoenal, I'm counting on you here

 

[aris2chat]

Because they don't let others live, of course.

Really now....there seem to be a whole lot of "others" alive.

Not really when you consider the numbers there were before the Islamic invasion, everywhere they invade they ethnically cleanse and decimate the indigenous

That doesn't jive with history.

Who's history are we talking about here, as the history of islam is steeped in mass murders, genocides and ethnic cleansing. Just look at the Cathedral of Bones in Spain built using the skeletons of the many hundreds of thousands murdered by muslims, then say that history is wrong

What "Cathederal of bones" in Spain?

9 of the Strangest Bone Churches of Europe BootsnAll

 

[Coyote]

Really now....there seem to be a whole lot of "others" alive.

Not really when you consider the numbers there were before the Islamic invasion, everywhere they invade they ethnically cleanse and decimate the indigenous

That doesn't jive with history.

Who's history are we talking about here, as the history of islam is steeped in mass murders, genocides and ethnic cleansing. Just look at the Cathedral of Bones in Spain built using the skeletons of the many hundreds of thousands murdered by muslims, then say that history is wrong

What "Cathederal of bones" in Spain?

9 of the Strangest Bone Churches of Europe BootsnAll

I have to admit...I find the concept downright creepy....

 

[Coyote]

Really now....there seem to be a whole lot of "others" alive.

Not really when you consider the numbers there were before the Islamic invasion, everywhere they invade they ethnically cleanse and decimate the indigenous

That doesn't jive with history.

Who's history are we talking about here, as the history of islam is steeped in mass murders, genocides and ethnic cleansing. Just look at the Cathedral of Bones in Spain built using the skeletons of the many hundreds of thousands murdered by muslims, then say that history is wrong

What "Cathederal of bones" in Spain?

The one adorned with the skeletons of the massacred Christians and Jews at the hands of the muslims

According to what I read, there were no Jews involved in the death toll - they were 800 Catholics who refused to convert.

What you don't seem to realize is conversion to the faith du jour was a requirement of invading forces in that era - don't convert, then die.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

According to what I read, there were no Jews involved in the death toll - they were 800 Catholics who refused to convert.

What you don't seem to realize is conversion to the faith du jour was a requirement of invading forces in that era - don't convert, then die.

Ah -- so THAT'S why you are nothing but a mouthpiece for Jihad. It's because their convert or die attitudes have been so well established all these years and so you are A OK with it. .

Thanks for clearing that one up.