Free Internet at Your Expense for Low Income Families

[SmarterThanHick]

yes except the poor have no fishing rod, or a body of water for that matter, so even if you teach them, they still can't catch fish.

 

[daveman]

Mr Evans needs to run for office. Yes folks - it really is that simple.

Self esteem comes from self accomplishment - not sucking the govt teat at 30. Denying people self realization is far from caring. In fact, its the opposite. Why do libs hate the poor?

They don't hate them. They don't feel anything about t hem. The poor are a resource to be exploited. Promise them much, give them a little, blame it on conservatives, receive Democrat votes.

 

[DiamondDave]

yes except the poor have no fishing rod, or a body of water for that matter, so even if you teach them, they still can't catch fish.

Even an idiot can find a stick, some vine or twine, and walk til they find a fucking body of water.... it's just the fucking lazy who choose not to

 

[Foxfyre]

Mr Evans needs to run for office. Yes folks - it really is that simple.

Self esteem comes from self accomplishment - not sucking the govt teat at 30. Denying people self realization is far from caring. In fact, its the opposite. Why do libs hate the poor?

I don't think that they hate the poor, they just lack a fundamental understanding of the problem. See, to a liberal, lack of money is the problem that needs to be solved. And it is solved by taking $1 from you and giving $1 to them. Problem is, when the $1 is gone, the poor are still poor.

A conservative knows that the problem is that the poor aren't earning enough money. This is solved by incentivizing and rewrding work, not discouraging it.

It really is as simple as the "give a fish/teach to fish" scenario.

I think it IS 'hating the poor' if you equate exploiting the poor for your own purposes as being the same as 'hating' them.

Those who refuse to see or consider the damage that social policies have done to the poor rather than admit they have been wrong, those who feel righteous when they take your dollar to give to somebody else, those who are increasing their own power, prestige, influence, and personal fortunes by creating dependencies among the people and promoting policies to ensure they do not escape them. . . . .those I can quite easily believe 'hate the poor' or at last they don't give a rats' ass about them.

I look at the horrible legacy of the gangs, the projects, the destruction of families, schools that don't educate, the assualt on private enterprise, the encouragement of irresponsibility, etc. and I can easily feel loathing and anger akin to 'hate' for those who have created these conditions and are hell bent on perpetuating them forever. And I do not believe for a minute that those who have committed that sin have any love for the people they have harmed.

 

[JamesMorrison]

One observation of mine: you stated the 13 cents cited by one member was just in one state. Actually, if his math was correct, which I've already noted it is most likely not, it applies to one housing project in one city in one state. If the precedent is used to expand the program it could be multiplied by many thousands across the land and involved a substantial outlay for every taxpayer even if the 13 cents is correct.

Then add in all the other issues also already raised, and it becomes quite difficult to justify it by any standard.

I propose that people be instructed to go to their local school, community center, library, or other places where public access to computers is common, and use the computers there. That would provide a double benefit of work ethic with people being required to take responsibility for themselves AND ensure that those utilizing public property are those who seriously want to improve themselves.

Yes, it was the point of the first part of my post that government programs designed to right a perceived 'wrong' or give a 'leg up' to a perceived persecuted minority must all now be viewed as cummulative with that total figure subject to examination when trying to bring our national government's debt and responsibilities under control. Simply, the question to be asked is: Can we afford, as a nation or a State, to pay for all this? If the answer is, No, then shouldn't we start seriously examining the legitimate responsibilities of the state RE its citizens ,such as trash collection and national defense, and make sure those enumerated responsibilities are paid for first?

The other thing that you and many others on this thread have pointed out is the age old adage that one "can bring a horse to water but you cannot make him drink". This is the answer to those on the left here who have tried to turn conservative concern about increased spending into the old class war by insinuating conservatives have a problem with educating those who can't afford internet access. Those progressives would have us believe that the only thing standing between those masses of budding Bill Gates residing in poor neighborhoods and their assured destiny are us cheap-ass conservatives.When,in reality, those people have no such desire. This FL program is of the school: "supply it and they shall come and use it". But they won't come. However, it would be wrong to blame these people themselves. In fact, if blame is to be placed for the welfare class' perceived lack of initiative it should find a home in these very progressive programs that discourage any initiative on their part. Why go to work when there are those like Sharpton, J. Jackson, and the bevy of progressive politicians that assure that these people remain wards of and beholden to the state with promises of ever increasing benefits? Simply stated all these sequels to The Great Society have the same script and, therefore, the same sad ending. But that ending involves the nation as a whole and not just the poorer sector.

Be a happy warrior though, looking at your poll result there is an indication, as well as Nov 2, that most Americans are begining to see through progressive's smoke and mirrors. Indeed, it was only about a month ago that the liberals, most notably Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), tried the class warfare gambit to frame extension of Bush's tax cuts as a "tax increase on the middle class in favor of the 'wealthy'"...Americans didn't buy it, and the tax cuts were extended.


JM

 

[shintao]

You tell me. $2.1 million to provide free internet service plus some other perks for one low income housing project in Tampa Fl. How much would that be if all low income housing projects in Florida are included. In all of the southeast? In all of the south? In all of the country?

The point isn't so much the amount allocated for this project but the precedent being set and the implications of that.

That works out to just over .13/taxpayer based on filings from 2009. Yes, I think I can handle paying an additional .13/year for this program.

I can't, it is socialism, exactly what obamaturd told joe the plumber. Take from the have's and give to the have nots. Socialist idiots.

Yeah, you are a capitalist imbecile.

 

[shintao]

That works out to just over .13/taxpayer based on filings from 2009. Yes, I think I can handle paying an additional .13/year for this program.

I can't, it is socialism, exactly what obamaturd told joe the plumber. Take from the have's and give to the have nots. Socialist idiots.

Yet you have no problem paying to nation build in Iraq? Really?

Hell, he has no problem keeping all the unemployed & welfare mamas on social programs and building bigger prisons, because people are going to eat, and dumb ass is going to pay to feed them. How fucking stupid are these con assholes? LMAO!!!

 

[shintao]

I don't understand why neighborhoods or towns don't purchase large bandwidth and make it wirelessly available for its taxpaying citizens. It would probably save cost in the big picture.

A group of people could get together and have their own satellite built and launched that would have all the electronic whistles on it to run their media (phn,pc,tv,ect.) About every ten years you would pay NASA to boost it back into a higher orbit. Other's could buy in and lower your initial costs as time goes by. I think you can do it for a couple million investment, and few tech worker wages.

Yes, and three or four families can get together and pool their money, order internet, put in a wireless hub and they can all use it.

I see your point, a good one. I suppose a whole block could use the hub at the same time without slowing anything down? Just curious.

Definition: A hub is a device for connecting multiple LAN devices together. It also performs as a repeater in that it amplifies signals that deteriorate after traveling long distances over connecting cables. Hubs do not perform packet filtering or any addressing functions.

 

[SmarterThanHick]

yes except the poor have no fishing rod, or a body of water for that matter, so even if you teach them, they still can't catch fish.

Even an idiot can find a stick, some vine or twine, and walk til they find a fucking body of water.... it's just the fucking lazy who choose not to

yeah have fun with that.

I don't quite think you realize it was an analogy. The point being that the tools you need in this world to "catch a fish" are not found lying around, nor are "fish" available to just be caught. Along with desire, people need both the training and the tools. One without the other is useless.

 

[DiamondDave]

yes except the poor have no fishing rod, or a body of water for that matter, so even if you teach them, they still can't catch fish.

Even an idiot can find a stick, some vine or twine, and walk til they find a fucking body of water.... it's just the fucking lazy who choose not to

yeah have fun with that.

I don't quite think you realize it was an analogy. The point being that the tools you need in this world to "catch a fish" are not found lying around, nor are "fish" available to just be caught. Along with desire, people need both the training and the tools. One without the other is useless.

And you're not smart enough not to be in the desert trying to live? No wonder you're a liberal

And guess what.. you are responsible for your own education and training and tools as an adult....

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Mr Evans needs to run for office. Yes folks - it really is that simple.

Self esteem comes from self accomplishment - not sucking the govt teat at 30. Denying people self realization is far from caring. In fact, its the opposite. Why do libs hate the poor?

I don't think that they hate the poor, they just lack a fundamental understanding of the problem. See, to a liberal, lack of money is the problem that needs to be solved. And it is solved by taking $1 from you and giving $1 to them. Problem is, when the $1 is gone, the poor are still poor.

A conservative knows that the problem is that the poor aren't earning enough money. This is solved by incentivizing and rewrding work, not discouraging it.

It really is as simple as the "give a fish/teach to fish" scenario.

I think it IS 'hating the poor' if you equate exploiting the poor for your own purposes as being the same as 'hating' them.

Those who refuse to see or consider the damage that social policies have done to the poor rather than admit they have been wrong, those who feel righteous when they take your dollar to give to somebody else, those who are increasing their own power, prestige, influence, and personal fortunes by creating dependencies among the people and promoting policies to ensure they do not escape them. . . . .those I can quite easily believe 'hate the poor' or at last they don't give a rats' ass about them.

I look at the horrible legacy of the gangs, the projects, the destruction of families, schools that don't educate, the assualt on private enterprise, the encouragement of irresponsibility, etc. and I can easily feel loathing and anger akin to 'hate' for those who have created these conditions and are hell bent on perpetuating them forever. And I do not believe for a minute that those who have committed that sin have any love for the people they have harmed.

Fair enough. Well Lord knows.. they do hate conservatism!

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Even an idiot can find a stick, some vine or twine, and walk til they find a fucking body of water.... it's just the fucking lazy who choose not to

yeah have fun with that.

I don't quite think you realize it was an analogy. The point being that the tools you need in this world to "catch a fish" are not found lying around, nor are "fish" available to just be caught. Along with desire, people need both the training and the tools. One without the other is useless.

And you're not smart enough not to be in the desert trying to live? No wonder you're a liberal

But see, that's where he wants to live.. so it must be made to work out ok for him. Never mind nobody in their right mind lives where there is no food, water or shelter.

Hey.. build me a lake, a house with solar panels and a windmill, stock my lake, give me a really nice Shimano reel, and plenty of pot. Oh, and a Chevy Volt and some cash. Thanks.

 

[Foxfyre]

Be a happy warrior though, looking at your poll result there is an indication, as well as Nov 2, that most Americans are begining to see through progressive's smoke and mirrors. Indeed, it was only about a month ago that the liberals, most notably Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY), tried the class warfare gambit to frame extension of Bush's tax cuts as a "tax increase on the middle class in favor of the 'wealthy'"...Americans didn't buy it, and the tax cuts were extended.


JM

I agree that much of America is beginning to finally wake up and pay attention. That is the only explanation for the growth of the Tea Party spirit and the results of the 2010 election though much work remains to be done to re-educate those lulled into stupidity by what has been described as 'great sounding propaganda from silver tongued charlatans.'

Due to request from a few others, I am going to start a new thread in a bit (or perhaps in the morning) that will compare attitudes re the poor and how poverty is most compassionately demonstrated.

Is it true compassion to provide computer access at public libraries so that those with the gumption to get up, get dressed, and walk or take the bus to the nearest library to use the computers can acquire education and skills to get ahead?

Or is it true compassion to provide such free to everybody deemed 'poor' on the theory a few might be helped?

Which is more likely to help promote work ethic, a sense of responsibility, and empower one's ability to choose to seize power over his/her destiny?

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Ok, so what did these people do before we held one segment of society at gunpoint till they paid their way?

 

[shintao]

Mr Evans needs to run for office. Yes folks - it really is that simple.

Self esteem comes from self accomplishment - not sucking the govt teat at 30. Denying people self realization is far from caring. In fact, its the opposite. Why do libs hate the poor?

Why do cons hate the rich? Bush was 53 before he grew up, and he is still dependent on alcohol and a drunk.

 

[Skull Pilot]

people can already get free internet at the free public library.

Why be redundant?

 

[shintao]

Ok, so what did these people do before we held one segment of society at gunpoint till they paid their way?

They sold you guns.

 

[DiamondDave]

Ok, so what did these people do before we held one segment of society at gunpoint till they paid their way?

They sold you guns.

Silly rabbit

You think that if they won't even do what it takes to fish and feed themselves, that they will actually put forth the effort to sell weaponry on the market??

 

[shintao]

people can already get free internet at the free public library.

Why be redundant?

POST # 154

You really need to assess the situation. I have noted here budget cuts are closing libraries. Here are a few, because some people here don't seem to understand English or believe it could happen, or??? LOL!


librarys shutting down budget cuts

Tacoma: Library board expected to decide on branch closures, budget cuts tonight
Read more: Tacoma: Library board expected to decide on branch closures, budget cuts tonight | Political Buzz


City Council members believe that public libraries will open only five days a week
Read more: Budget cuts to force city libraries to shut down at least two days a week - NYPOST.com



Under budget cuts, library system in poor New Jersey city prepares to shut down
Final chapter? Under budget cuts, library system in poor New Jersey city prepares to shut down - FoxNews.com



Budget Cuts Force Charlotte Libraries To Shut Down
Budget Cuts Force Charlotte Libraries To Shut Down - Topix


Under budget cuts, Camden library system prepares to shut down permanently
http://www.sfexaminer.com/.../final-...100141304.html


Massive budget cuts that have already led to furloughs for ... city of Colton abruptly shut all three of its city libraries and fired 17 staffers.
http://www.aolnews.com/.../shhh-that...aries-closing/ -


Southern California library officials where more than half reported having to institute furloughs, layoffs and other austerity measures.
Many libraries go quiet as local budget cuts deepen - Los Angeles Times


The governor’s budget proposal cuts state library funding by 74 percent – $10.4 million. Funding for the Talking Book and Braille Center would be eliminated, forcing the service to shut down.
Approximately 250 of the state’s public libraries currently receive their internet access through New Jersey’s State Library; once the money runs out, they’ll have to make other arrangements lose the service.
Read more: Local Libraries Also Feel Governor?s Budget Cuts | njtoday.net – Everything New Jersey



Seattle's libraries will close for a week beginning late this month, leaving patrons without many normal services while the city continues to ponder how the system will operate on less money next year. It will be the second budget-driven closure in a year.
Seattle libraries to shut down for a week



Dwindling tax dollars are forcing libraries to close branches, cut hours and end programs just as more people are turning to them for services.
Troy, N.Y., is closing two of three branches today because the budget has been cut 16% to $669,000 this year, says Paul Hicok, executive director of the Troy Public Library. Its circulation of borrowed materials increased 16% last year.

• Muncie, Ind., is closing three of five branches, says library director Ginny Nilles. Its $4.8 million annual budget is facing a cut of $2 million over two years. Circulation increased 7% last year.

• In Philadelphia, Mayor Michael Nutter planned to close 11 of the city's 54 libraries this month to save $8 million, but a judge ruled he did not have the authority. Nutter is appealing. The branches remain open, but their hours will be reduced.

• Phoenix faces a 27% cut in its $40.6 million budget that would reduce hours at its 15 branches from 72 hours a week to 48 and eliminate some children and adult reading programs, says city librarian Toni Garvey. The number of visitors increased 8% in 2008.

• Darby, Pa., expects to close its only library — the oldest continuously operating free public library in Pennsylvania and believed to be the oldest in the nation — next year.

U.S. libraries on borrowed time? - USATODAY.com

 

[shintao]

Ok, so what did these people do before we held one segment of society at gunpoint till they paid their way?

They sold you guns.

Silly rabbit

You think that if they won't even do what it takes to fish and feed themselves, that they will actually put forth the effort to sell weaponry on the market??

Where else would the guns come from to hold you at gun point?