Former BLM Leaders Speaks Out About "Ugly Truth" About Group

[Ray From Cleveland]

they don't have to pay it back... they just have to pay.

Which they do.

Simple enough solution- mandate living wages... Problem solved.

Sounds like a great idea! I think we tried that once before. Who did that now???? Oh, that's right, unions.

At one time the US was the worlds manufacturing base. Unions got in and chased most of our jobs to China. Now China is the worlds manufacturing base.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different outcomes each time.

 

[JoeB131]

Sounds like a great idea! I think we tried that once before. Who did that now???? Oh, that's right, unions.

At one time the US was the worlds manufacturing base. Unions got in and chased most of our jobs to China. Now China is the worlds manufacturing base.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different outcomes each time.

Wow, guy, are you one of the people who blame rape victims for wearing slutty dresses?

What chased all the jobs to China are greedy ass corporate executives. Simple solution. Tax the crap out of them. Then they won't bother being greedy.

Worked just fine in the 1950's. We had good union wages, the rich paid their fair share.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Wow, guy, are you one of the people who blame rape victims for wearing slutty dresses?

What chased all the jobs to China are greedy ass corporate executives. Simple solution. Tax the crap out of them. Then they won't bother being greedy.

Worked just fine in the 1950's. We had good union wages, the rich paid their fair share.

Sounds even better. Tax them to death, have a $20.00 an our minimum wage, and the corporate executives will have to work for $20.00 an hour too! They'll be happy to go to college for four years, get into nearly a half a lifetime of debt to make just as much as the floor sweeper in their factory. Because after all, this new huge cost will have to be paid by somebody, so why not them?

Well if $20.00 an hour is good, then $25.00 an hour is better for workers, right? And if $25.00 is better, that means that $30.00 would be best! So why not make the new minimum wage $30.00 an hour?

You see, we don't need these professional politicians running the country, we need more economic geniuses like you. But do tell, what are you going to do when business put the pedal to the metal on outsourcing and automation? Automation is the biggest blue collar job killer as it is and has been for some time. The only people that didn't invest in replacing humans are the companies where it made more economic sense to keep the human workers. But now that everybody is making fantastic money, it would be cheaper for everybody to invest in automation.

You people are such saps and your leaders know it. How many years have the commies been talking about a $15.00 a hour national minimum wage? Now that you have the power, your dementia patient in charge of the country says he's not going to do it. Why is that? Speaking of which, where is this huge taxation on our job producers that we were promised? It's been a little over five months now! Let's get the show on the road. Let's see that $15.00 minimum wage and I say double the business taxation and take away all loop holes. I can't wait!

 

[easyt65]

The former, self-proclaimed Marxist Founder of BLM admitted BLM was nothing more than a self-enriching 'project', one she is now walking away from after making enough money to buy 4 mansions and millions of dollars worth of real estate...

Even after hearing the truth from the proverbial 'horse's mouth', the conned leftist sheep who followed her like she was / is some racist, 'Domestic Terrorist Pied Piper' still refuse to believe the truth / what she said.

 

[easyt65]

they don't have to pay it back... they just have to pay.

Which they do.

Simple enough solution- mandate living wages... Problem solved.

'Mandate Living Wages....problem solved.'

So you want to give the government the authoritarian / Marxist power to dictate to business owners how much they MUST pay their employees?

Problem solved? No - massive problem created.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The former, self-proclaimed Marxist Founder of BLM admitted BLM was nothing more than a self-enriching 'project', one she is now walking away from after making enough money to buy 4 mansions and millions of dollars worth of real estate...

Even after hearing the truth from the proverbial 'horse's mouth', the conned leftist sheep who followed her like she was / is some racist, 'Domestic Terrorist Pied Piper' still refuse to believe the truth / what she said.

It's pretty obvious who the real racists are in this country. When was the last time racist policies were passed in this country and by who? You don't have to look any further than Chicago, where the racist Mayor discriminated against white reporters, and is now being sued over it. Then you have the commies who tried to spend 4 billion dollars to discriminate against white farmers in the US, and that too is in the court process. And as you mentioned, this BLM pig who took all that money and bought mansions in all white areas.

 

[dudmuck]

they don't have to pay it back... they just have to pay.

Which they do.

Simple enough solution- mandate living wages... Problem solved.

'Mandate Living Wages....problem solved.'

So you want to give the government the authoritarian / Marxist power to dictate to business owners how much they MUST pay their employees?

Problem solved? No - massive problem created.

you really want your tax payer dollars going t companies that under pay their workers?

 

[jc456]

Wow, you mean Satan is on the side of oppressed people of color?

The ones doing the oppressing, demofks, indeed. kkk will always be the kkk. go getcha some kkk. you love em.

 

[easyt65]

you really want your tax payer dollars going to companies that under pay their workers?

Do you REALLY want to give the government the power to step in and dictate to American-owned businesses and dictate to them what hey have to pay their employees? If you are a Marxist / Socialist / Liberal Progressive Socialist Democrat-supporter, perhaps you do.

This is the same government who told a bakery show owner to ignore his own religious faith / freedom and bake a cake for homosexuals, whose sole purpose for coming to him to begin with was to intentionally cause an issue and to have him FORCED to comply.
- The Courts ruled he did NOT have to, btw, thank goodness.

The 'government' seeks to control every aspect of Americans' lives, as evident by their continuing attempt to encroach upon more and more of our rights / lives. I do not want to give Liberal tyrants the ability to have the power to dictate to a business owner how he runs his business.

Liberals are touchy-feely, easily offended snowflakes all too often rules by emotion.

Case in point - the bakery Issue: If I go to a bakery and ask the owner to bake me a cake celebrating Native Americans, let's say with a theme centered on 'Ghost Dancing'., and he tells me he refuses to make one because he dislikes Native Americans....or 'Ghost Dancing' somehow is against his religious views....

I am going to leave and go to another bakery. I really don't want to risk eating a cake baked by this guy if i make a huge stink over it and FORCE him through a law suit to bake it. Also, I know there are a lot of other bakeries around willing to make it. I will probably post comments on Social media about what happened, and I will allow Americans to decide for themselves whether to patronize the bakery. If enough Americans choose not to go to his bakery it will negatively impact his business, maybe even make it close. I am not going to take away everyone else's choice to use this bakery by trying to shut it down.

Same thing about what's on TV. I have seen far too often whiny people demanding a show be taken off the air because it offends them. Here's a thought: If a show offends you, TURN THE F*ING CHANNEL!

BACK TO THE MAIN THREAD TOPIC:

If a business is paying too little for your liking, DON'T WORK THERE. If you find out a business isn't paying its employees the amount YOU think they should, DON'T GIVE THAT BUSINESS YOUR BUSINESS. DON'T GO THERE. If enough people do this the business will have to change or it will go under.

The GOVT is NOT needed, does not need the power to force business owners to do what THEY think the business owner should do.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

you really want your tax payer dollars going t companies that under pay their workers?

Giving tax dollars. What tax dollars? The government gives tax dollars to the people--not the companies. If we shutdown all government programs tomorrow, it's not going to force businesses to pay more money. It will pressure people to work more hours, and perhaps get off their ass and look for a career or trade.

 

[dudmuck]

you really want your tax payer dollars going t companies that under pay their workers?

Giving tax dollars. What tax dollars? The government gives tax dollars to the people--not the companies. If we shutdown all government programs tomorrow, it's not going to force businesses to pay more money. It will pressure people to work more hours, and perhaps get off their ass and look for a career or trade.

its known as subsidizing low wage employers.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

its known as subsidizing low wage employers.

I know what it's known as just as I know what blame shifting is. But that was not a business move, that was a government move. Don't complain about businesses and laying the blame on them. Blame your government instead.

 

[dudmuck]

its known as subsidizing low wage employers.

I know what it's known as just as I know what blame shifting is. But that was not a business move, that was a government move. Don't complain about businesses and laying the blame on them. Blame your government instead.

the poverty assistance (aka welfare) exists for the poor whether they are working or not. This wasnt something creating due to low wages, it was created because of poverty.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

the poverty assistance (aka welfare) exists for the poor whether they are working or not. This wasnt something creating due to low wages, it was created because of poverty.

There is no excuse for poverty in the greatest country in the world. You may have made bad decisions in your life, but that's on you--not government. And let me tell you I've worked plenty of minimum wage jobs early in my life. The difference is back then, people had way more pride; no welfare program paid anything; you couldn't go online and sign up, you had to go downtown in person and wait in lines for hours. If you wanted to survive or live better, it was on you and nobody else.

So you went out there and found jobs that worked six days a week. If you couldn't find one of those, you got an additional job. At one point I had three jobs. After a while, you figure which direction you need to go to make more money and work less.

I've worked with many companies in my life, and some of those companies used temp services. They do so to fluctuate their staff according to business, but they also get to try out workers before hiring them.

They all told me the same thing. When they got busy, they'd ask their temps if they could work more hours. Many of them refused. If they worked more hours, it would be deducted from their SNAP's stipend. I had the same kind of experience. I had a couple who were getting behind on rent. I called them over to discuss the problem. He worked 40 hours a week and refused to work one hour more. She stayed home with their two kids. So I suggested that she get a job on the weekends and he can watch the kids. She wouldn't even consider it. She'd lose her SNAP's allowance because this couple was not married and never married for that reason. I had to evict them, and then have his paycheck garnished for back rent and all my court and legal costs.

These programs sound good on paper, but in practical use, they are taken advantage of. Unless you have physical or mental impairments that prohibit one from making money or a livable wage, there is no excuse for living in poverty. Our minimum wage workers in this country are 3.5% of the workforce, and most of them are kids living with their parents or in a dorm room, stay at home moms who are trying to make a few bucks while the kids are in school, and retired people just looking to stay busy out of boredom.

 

[dudmuck]

the poverty assistance (aka welfare) exists for the poor whether they are working or not. This wasnt something creating due to low wages, it was created because of poverty.

There is no excuse for poverty in the greatest country in the world. You may have made bad decisions in your life, but that's on you--not government. And let me tell you I've worked plenty of minimum wage jobs early in my life. The difference is back then, people had way more pride; no welfare program paid anything; you couldn't go online and sign up, you had to go downtown in person and wait in lines for hours. If you wanted to survive or live better, it was on you and nobody else.

So you went out there and found jobs that worked six days a week. If you couldn't find one of those, you got an additional job. At one point I had three jobs. After a while, you figure which direction you need to go to make more money and work less.

I've worked with many companies in my life, and some of those companies used temp services. They do so to fluctuate their staff according to business, but they also get to try out workers before hiring them.

They all told me the same thing. When they got busy, they'd ask their temps if they could work more hours. Many of them refused. If they worked more hours, it would be deducted from their SNAP's stipend. I had the same kind of experience. I had a couple who were getting behind on rent. I called them over to discuss the problem. He worked 40 hours a week and refused to work one hour more. She stayed home with their two kids. So I suggested that she get a job on the weekends and he can watch the kids. She wouldn't even consider it. She'd lose her SNAP's allowance because this couple was not married and never married for that reason. I had to evict them, and then have his paycheck garnished for back rent and all my court and legal costs.

These programs sound good on paper, but in practical use, they are taken advantage of. Unless you have physical or mental impairments that prohibit one from making money or a livable wage, there is no excuse for living in poverty. Our minimum wage workers in this country are 3.5% of the workforce, and most of them are kids living with their parents or in a dorm room, stay at home moms who are trying to make a few bucks while the kids are in school, and retired people just looking to stay busy out of boredom.

There will always be poverty in a capitalist economy due to its inherent nature; profits over people.
Give us all the anecdotal stories you want, and it wont change the fact that our tax dollars subsidize low wages.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There will always be poverty in a capitalist economy due to its inherent nature; profits over people.
Give us all the anecdotal stories you want, and it wont change the fact that our tax dollars subsidize low wages.

They do, but that's not the choice of business, that's the choice of your politicians. That's besides the fact those "subsidies" also deter people from trying to better themselves. Look at what's going on today. How do we have a labor shortage when our unemployment rate is 6%? I'll tell you how, government is paying people more money to stay home than work. It's the same with our social programs.

We don't live in a country where government decides what you must do for a living or how much you make. That's your choice. If you decide not to learn a trade or get into a field of work in demand, you brought that on yourself.

When I was younger and working low wage jobs, I got a position driving a straight truck at 18 years old. I enjoyed working outside, but it too only paid minimum wage. I got another job driving a van and delivering medical equipment which paid much better. I stayed with that for nearly 10 years with three different companies. When I became unsatisfied with the money and my future, I got my CDL and got back into driving a straight truck again. Still unsatisfied, I took the test for a class A CDL which is tractor-trailer and made better money. I drove T/T for over 25 years until I retired.

I'm no rare talent, but what I did was take the initiative to better myself. It wasn't easy, but I got it done, and anybody else could do the exact same things I did. In fact the industry is still starving because they can't find enough Americans to do the job. You can make good and even excellent money driving for a living, but these people would rather bitch that industry is not paying top dollar to people who screw nuts onto bolts and they don't want to do anything to make better money--government should force companies to pay floor sweepers great money.

 

[JoeB131]

Sounds even better. Tax them to death, have a $20.00 an our minimum wage, and the corporate executives will have to work for $20.00 an hour too! They'll be happy to go to college for four years, get into nearly a half a lifetime of debt to make just as much as the floor sweeper in their factory. Because after all, this new huge cost will have to be paid by somebody, so why not them?

Works for me. Frankly, I've never seen a CEO who lived up to his own hype. Most companies work well because the people doing the grunt work are motivated, and the best companies I've seen are the ones where the grunts are treated well.

Ironically, the two best companies I worked for were the British owned company and the Japanese owned company.

You see, we don't need these professional politicians running the country, we need more economic geniuses like you. But do tell, what are you going to do when business put the pedal to the metal on outsourcing and automation? Automation is the biggest blue collar job killer as it is and has been for some time. The only people that didn't invest in replacing humans are the companies where it made more economic sense to keep the human workers. But now that everybody is making fantastic money, it would be cheaper for everybody to invest in automation.

Companies would automate processes no matter what they pay their employees. It really never makes sense to keep human workers unless the process can't be automated.

As for outsourcing, that's already backfiring on big business, as supply chains are overextended. It's taking up to 8 weeks for product to come from the Pacific Rim to US factories in just transportation time alone.

But here's the biggest problem. If you don't pay working people a fair wage, they won't have money to buy stuff. The rich can only buy so many mansions and dressage horses.

You people are such saps and your leaders know it. How many years have the commies been talking about a $15.00 a hour national minimum wage? Now that you have the power, your dementia patient in charge of the country says he's not going to do it. Why is that? Speaking of which, where is this huge taxation on our job producers that we were promised? It's been a little over five months now! Let's get the show on the road. Let's see that $15.00 minimum wage and I say double the business taxation and take away all loop holes. I can't wait!

You know damned well you aren't going to be able to do anything with a 50/50 Senate and an economy that was already wrecked by Trump.

It's amazing. You stupid fucks crash the car into the wall, and then complain we haven't gotten it running again yet.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm no rare talent, but what I did was take the initiative to better myself. It wasn't easy, but I got it done, and anybody else could do the exact same things I did. In fact the industry is still starving because they can't find enough Americans to do the job. You can make good and even excellent money driving for a living, but these people would rather bitch that industry is not paying top dollar to people who screw nuts onto bolts and they don't want to do anything to make better money--government should force companies to pay floor sweepers great money.

For those playing along at home. Ray lives in a slum and collects disability.

If you want to use him as an example of success, it should fall under

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

For those playing along at home. Ray lives in a slum and collects disability.

If you want to use him as an example of success, it should fall under

Also for those playing along, this self-hating white JoeB is an anti-Semite who hates wealthy people because he has a severe mental condition called OCD that he won't get help for. He brings up my unfortunate situation every post for about a year and a half now, and thinks he doesn't have a problem. He not only constantly brings it up, but ridicules it as well, which tells you what kind of lowlife of a human being he is. He lies continuously about what he did in his past, and what he does today. So never believe a word he says.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Companies would automate processes no matter what they pay their employees. It really never makes sense to keep human workers unless the process can't be automated.

As for outsourcing, that's already backfiring on big business, as supply chains are overextended. It's taking up to 8 weeks for product to come from the Pacific Rim to US factories in just transportation time alone.

But here's the biggest problem. If you don't pay working people a fair wage, they won't have money to buy stuff. The rich can only buy so many mansions and dressage horses.

No, companies only automate when it becomes financially feasible. These machines cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, some close to a million, and they still need maintenance and periodic repairs. There is a line that's crossed when human labor exceeds the cost of such an investment and that's when they are forced to make that change.

What you people on the left don't understand about business is when an employer gives an employee a raise, it costs the employer much more than the raise. He has to pay that employee more money when on vacation, on holidays, and sick pay if they have that benefit. They have to pay more for overtime. They have to make larger contributions to the employees SS and Medicare accounts in which they have to match employee contributions, their unemployment insurance increases, and so does their workman's compensation insurance which is a huge cost to businesses.

You know damned well you aren't going to be able to do anything with a 50/50 Senate and an economy that was already wrecked by Trump.

It's amazing. You stupid fucks crash the car into the wall, and then complain we haven't gotten it running again yet.

So what you're saying is they've been lying to their constituents these past few years? If the Senate is the problem, how did they make the minimum wage for federal workers $15.00 an hour with this Senate? It only takes a simple majority to pass it which they have.

An amendment to add an increase to the federal minimum wage to the $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief bill failed to pass in the Senate Friday. With eight Democrats joining the 50 Republicans in opposing the pay bump, it appears unlikely that $15 an hour will be passing anytime soon.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, an Independent from Vermont, forced a vote on an amendment for a $15 an hour federal minimum wage Friday. It failed to pass by a vote of 42-58. This means it will not make it into the Senate's final COVID relief bill, which is set to include a third stimulus check, more bonus unemployment checks and a larger Child Tax Credit.

$15 federal minimum wage amendment fails in Senate. Here's what you should know

The fight for a pay raise looks to be over.

www.cnet.com

Even the commies know the economic devastation that would take place by over doubling the minimum wage, because it would create a massive domino effect causing inflation like nobody alive today has ever seen. We would have this unbelievable movement of yet more companies moving overseas, and of course much more imports as if our trade deficit isn't bad enough as it is.