For Those Who Want to REDUCE Unemployment, not win arguments

[Flopper]

if true then everyone would now be paying the minimum wage, but on average they are paying 3 times the minimum wage. The perfect beauty of capitalism is that you must pay the highest wage possible or lose your best workers to those who pay more. Its a concept almost impossible for the liberal mind to comprehend.

No, You're not going to pay the highest wage possible to keep your best workers. Your're going to pay the lowest wages possible, if you hope to keep your're job as CEO. That's how you maximize profits.

why act stupid??? you have to have the higest wage possible or lose your best workers to those who pay more; then you go bankrupt. American workers are the richest in human history because capitalism causes huge upward pressure on wages. Did you think our high wages were caused by the Girl Scouts???

Yeah, as a CEO, you go to shareholders and tell them you're cutting into profits to pay the highest wages possible to your people, not the wages needed to keep them, and see how long you last.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What did GDP do the quarters before and after his 2003 tax cuts?
You might be surprised.

actually nothing can be said about the 2003 tax cuts because we now
know that was a period hugely distorted by an about to burst housing bubble that would sink much of the worlds economy

The housing bubble was building before as well as after the tax cuts.
GDP spiked when the tax cuts passed.
If Obama passed a real, supply-side tax cut, he might get enough of a boost to win.
He won't and so he won't.

 

[Brutus]

With so many businesses shuttering, translating to millions more added to the unemployment roster, employers can pay anything they want and know they'll get the best workers anyway. That's not political, friend, it's a fact of life.

as I said dear the average wage in America "today" is 3 times the minimum wage because capitalism forces you to pay the highest wage possible.

 

[Brutus]

The housing bubble was building before as well as after the tax cuts.
GDP spiked when the tax cuts passed.

well sort of but nothing happened after the 2001 tax cuts, the bubble was not inflating evenly, and Fed Policy was changing too at the time so its impossible to make much of case about the 2003 tax cuts.

 

[Brutus]

Yeah, as a CEO, you go to shareholders and tell them you're cutting into profits to pay the highest wages possible to your people, not the wages needed to keep them, and see how long you last.

capitialism forces you to pay the wages necessary to keep the people your business depends on. If you pay a penny less than your competition you stand to go bankrupt. Now you know why Derek Jeter makes so much. He gets the highest and lowest wage possible becuase capitalism is nearly perfect

 

[Brutus]

Your're going to pay the lowest wages possible, if you hope to keep your're job as CEO. That's how you maximize profits.

of course there are no profits unless you pay enough to get the best employees. Now you know why the average wage in America is 3 times the minimum wage

 

[Brutus]

using the word innovation or innovate 11 times. And on this issue, at least, Republicans seem in sync with Obama.

you seem perfectly confused. BO wants to tax and regulate business more and more thus discouraging innovation. He had 2 communist parents, he voted to the left of Bernie Sanders. What did you expect???

 

[Flopper]

So you suggest government must not attempt to regulate, and make the argument that the failure to do so in re the Housing collapse justifies a return to the circumstances which existed pre 2002? Or is there another idea, 'cause what went on before and after is not acceptable.

I don't think you understand at all. THe Soviets tried regulation and so did Red China. We tried Sarbanes and had full time regulator folks at Fanny Freddie?? What more do you want???

Dodd Frank was passed 3 years after no one in his right mind was buying toxic mortgage backed securities . It was the perfect example of liberal regulation. It was 3 years after the fact and won't work any more than soviet regulation worked

No, the Soviets didn't try to regulating their economy. They were the economy. They owned the means of production, collective farms, and manufacturing. Nearly everyone worked for the government in one or another. Comparing federation regulation to the Soviet totalitarianism is ridiculous.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The housing bubble was building before as well as after the tax cuts.
GDP spiked when the tax cuts passed.

well sort of but nothing happened after the 2001 tax cuts, the bubble was not inflating evenly, and Fed Policy was changing too at the time so its impossible to make much of case about the 2003 tax cuts.

The 2001 tax cuts were pointless. They phased in the cuts to the marginal rates.
Worst idea ever. Unless you want people to delay activity until the cuts are fully phased in.
They were more like spending hikes instead of tax cuts. The 2003 cuts passed in May 2003. Here's GDP change before and after.......

2001q4 1.4
2002q1 3.5
2002q2 2.1
2002q3 2.0
2002q4 0.1
2003q1 1.6
2003q2 3.2
2003q3 6.9
2003q4 3.6
2004q1 2.8
2004q2 2.9
2004q3 3.0
2004q4 3.5
2005q1 4.1

 

[Flopper]

Your're going to pay the lowest wages possible, if you hope to keep your're job as CEO. That's how you maximize profits.

of course there are no profits unless you pay enough to get the best employees. Now you know why the average wage in America is 3 times the minimum wage

of course there are no profits unless you pay enough to get the best employees.

I can't make a profit unless I have the best employees? Do you read what you write?

 

[skookerasbil]

All three options in the poll suck. It views the dynamic as the glass is half empty. When there are trillions sitting on the sidelines due to fear of confiscation regulatory and tax policies, joblessness will stay static.


Enough of people sufferring while eggheads pull their class-warfare act.

 

[Brutus]

No, the Soviets didn't try to regulating their economy. They were the economy. They owned the means of production, collective farms, and manufacturing. Nearly everyone worked for the government in one or another. Comparing federation regulation to the Soviet totalitarianism is ridiculous.

don't be absurd. BO is a communist. He had 2 communist parents, he voted to the left of Bernie Sanders, the CPUSA loves BO, the liberals spied for Stalin, BO is openly for single payer!! THere is never an end in sight for how big is big for a liberal!! Got it now??

Our health care system was a regulatory mess, so BO is fixing it with BO care which will make it a bigger mess, and then we'll need single payer to fix it. IF he gets his way it will be just like Stalins increasing 5 years plans. Got it now??


Norman Thomas quotes:
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.


This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:
"Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp."[4]

 

[Brutus]

I can't make a profit unless I have the best employees? Do you read what you write?

yes do you??

 

[skookerasbil]

Your're going to pay the lowest wages possible, if you hope to keep your're job as CEO. That's how you maximize profits.

of course there are no profits unless you pay enough to get the best employees. Now you know why the average wage in America is 3 times the minimum wage

of course there are no profits unless you pay enough to get the best employees.

I can't make a profit unless I have the best employees? Do you read what you write?

What a bullseye.........people not in the real world cant fathom this stuff. They philosophize from books.........but dont know shit about shit.

I struggle like hell to staff my programs with qualified people...........the last thing I need is to hire even more dummies who set the bar low and fcukk up the programmatic integrity of my sites.

 

[Flopper]

No, the Soviets didn't try to regulating their economy. They were the economy. They owned the means of production, collective farms, and manufacturing. Nearly everyone worked for the government in one or another. Comparing federation regulation to the Soviet totalitarianism is ridiculous.

don't be absurd. BO is a communist. He had 2 communist parents, he voted to the left of Bernie Sanders, the CPUSA loves BO, the liberals spied for Stalin, BO is openly for single payer!! THere is never an end in sight for how big is big for a liberal!! Got it now??

Our health care system was a regulatory mess, so BO is fixing it with BO care which will make it a bigger mess, and then we'll need single payer to fix it. IF he gets his way it will be just like Stalins increasing 5 years plans. Got it now??


Norman Thomas quotes:
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.


This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:
"Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp."[4]

Yeah, I got it. You're nuts.

 

[Brutus]

Yeah, I got it. You're nuts.

I'm nuts because BO had 2 communist parents and voted to the left of the open socialist Bernie sanders, and becuase he supports single payer????????

 

[skookerasbil]

No, the Soviets didn't try to regulating their economy. They were the economy. They owned the means of production, collective farms, and manufacturing. Nearly everyone worked for the government in one or another. Comparing federation regulation to the Soviet totalitarianism is ridiculous.

don't be absurd. BO is a communist. He had 2 communist parents, he voted to the left of Bernie Sanders, the CPUSA loves BO, the liberals spied for Stalin, BO is openly for single payer!! THere is never an end in sight for how big is big for a liberal!! Got it now??

Our health care system was a regulatory mess, so BO is fixing it with BO care which will make it a bigger mess, and then we'll need single payer to fix it. IF he gets his way it will be just like Stalins increasing 5 years plans. Got it now??


Norman Thomas quotes:
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.


This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:
"Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp."[4]

Yeah, I got it. You're nuts.

Funny as hell though........the "nuts" are winning. Lots and lots of nuts out there!!!

 

[Brutus]

don't be absurd. BO is a communist. He had 2 communist parents, he voted to the left of Bernie Sanders, the CPUSA loves BO, the liberals spied for Stalin, BO is openly for single payer!! THere is never an end in sight for how big is big for a liberal!! Got it now??

Our health care system was a regulatory mess, so BO is fixing it with BO care which will make it a bigger mess, and then we'll need single payer to fix it. IF he gets his way it will be just like Stalins increasing 5 years plans. Got it now??


Norman Thomas quotes:
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.


This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:
"Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp."[4]

Yeah, I got it. You're nuts.

Funny as hell though........the "nuts" are winning. Lots and lots of nuts out there!!!

sadly, liberals are like little children, when they have to withdraw from a conflict they call names and pretend to themselves they won.

 

[Wry Catcher]

We definitely know that raising taxes in todays horrible economy will make things worse.

How do we know that?

Raising taxes in the current economic conditions? Are you serious?

Not all liberals think alike nor hold the same opinon on issues of the day. Sadly Brutus diverts attention and weakens his argument by acting like a child, calling people communists and playing the ain't Obama and the government awful card isn't going to convince anyone he has an idea. Unregulated capitalism isn't the answer.

He's little different than LBT who actually believes insipid postulates such as she wrote above. Lassiez faire capitalism is all the rage of the New Right, and will lead to our republic devolving into a plutocracy - if we've not already done so.

 

[MaggieMae]

Jobs are created when employers decide to pay someone to do work. It's that simple. No company is in the business of providing employment. Companies are in the business of making profits. A company will raise or lower wages consistent with the laws of supply and demand as they apply to filling the jobs the company needs done.

If government wants to encourage job growth in this country, it can do so by spending within its means, reducing its debt, ensuring sound money and providing a tax and regulatory environment that invites business creation in and relocation to the United States.

Great theory. So why didn't that happen when Bush put two tax cuts in place? What did business do with its windfall? Frankly, with those kinds of tax rates and regulatory oversight practically nonexistent, one would have thought that the business environment could have survived quite well the economic downturn that began in 2008. They should have had cash in the bank, not relied so heavily on credit to maintain month-to-month operations.

What did GDP do the quarters before and after his 2003 tax cuts?
You might be surprised.

Yes, a couple of years of growth, but weren't we invested in two wars? Never underestimate the power of the military industrial complex to temporarily fix a fledgling economy.