The Irish Ram
LITTLE GIRL / Ram Tough
What religion teaches that we are forever set apart from being with God?
The God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, and Christians, says we are mere sojourners here. That our home is with Him.
Zone1 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5).
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The God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, and Christians, says we are mere sojourners here. That our home is with Him.
toobfreak
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False Gods. You're a scream. Might as well talk to the wall. Go thump a Bible.
toobfreak
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None.
kjw47
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How do you get by this fact? Isaiah 44:6--I am YHVH(Jehovah) beside-ME( NOT WE) there is no other God.
I understand your translation you use has been altered to mislead you.
But it really only takes believing Jesus-John 17:3= The one who sent him= Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD--And Paul-1Cor 8:6-There is one God to all=the Father.
When ones teachers don't match Jesus and Paul-RUN FROM THEM.
toobfreak
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Of course there is no other God since there is only one true God, but understand also that the Bible was written some 1800+ years ago, by people who were impressing on others not to accept any other religion but their own, meaning, PAGAN religions. The only way the people of the Levant had of meeting people of other lands back 1800-1900 years ago, was to get on a freaking camel and ride there, so they effectively had ZERO understanding of other religions outside that region of Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism, et al. If they had any actual direct exposure to any other bonafide religion at all, it was superficial contact with Islam, which is nearly incomprehensible to the western mind.
kjw47
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God inspired the bible. Catholicism altered it to mislead. To fit false council teachings and removed Gods name against Gods will to mislead. Catholicism= 2 Thess 2:3
toobfreak
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Thank you, Ram! You just confirmed what I was saying! How can we be forever apart from God if our home is WITH him?
As souls, we began in heaven. Then through forgetfulness of God (the cause of sin), also called bodily awareness where the soul identifies with the body, we fell out of Heaven apart from him, to end up on this place called Earth.
Why are we here and not in hell? So that we may find him again and return by his side.
That doesn't sound like we are forever set apart from him!
kjw47
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The Hebrew word for soul=Nephesh, Greek= psy-khe translates a breathing being. It does not mean a spirit part that survives death.Thank you, Ram! You just confirmed what I was saying! How can we be forever apart from God if our home is WITH him?
As souls, we began in heaven. Then through forgetfulness of God (the cause of sin), also called bodily awareness where the soul identifies with the body, we fell out of Heaven apart from him, to end up on this place called Earth.
Why are we here and not in hell? So that we may find him again and return by his side.
That doesn't sound like we are forever set apart from him!
The bible calls fish living souls, and animals-Gen 1:20,21,24,25
1Cor 15:45-- The first man Adam became a living soul---
Gen2:7--Man came to be a living soul( after receiving the breath of life)
toobfreak
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So what. Who cares. You act like that is the final arbiter of all truth. Get a life.
A priest is a Christian just like any other Christian. The idea of confessing to a priest - in private - knowing he is obligated to keep the confession private - with no exceptions - is a gift. This keeps the confession between you and God... and a fellow Christian who will not make your business the gossip of the town. Throughout history, people would be persecuted, shunned - even killed if some of their "sins" became public. An example of what could happen if a person's sin became "public knowledge" is described in John...
John 8:
3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought in a woman who had been caught in adultery. Forcing her to stand in their midst, 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the very act of adultery.[b] 5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women.[c] What do you have to say?”
6 They asked him this question as a test so that they could bring a charge against him. Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they continued to persist in their question, he straightened up and said to them, “Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”[d] 8 Then he again bent down and wrote on the ground.
9 When they heard his response, they went away one by one, beginning with the elders, until Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Then Jesus straightened up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She replied, “No one, sir.” “Neither do I condemn you,” Jesus said. “Go on your way, and sin no more.”
Some prefer confessing directly to God, while others, prefer to talk to a fellow Christian, knowing that the prayers and support from a "righteous person" are "powerful". In the story above - in all likelihood, the woman pleaded with the scribes and Pharisees for forgiveness - it wasn't until Jesus "a righteous person" intervened so that the God's grace not only saved the sinner - it rebuked her accusers - giving her a "fresh start" within their society.
kjw47
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I have a life. Sharing the good news of Gods kingdom as Jesus told his followers to do.
toobfreak
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- Pushing your views on others.
- Thinking you are right while everyone else is wrong.
- Expecting everyone to listen to you while never listening to anyone else.
As to what Jesus said, all you really know is what the Bible tells you he said to do.
And the Bible is a loose compilation of authors ranging from 1500 years before Jesus was born
to decades after his death from oral accounts; none of it written during the actual life of Jesus.
When Was Each Book of the Bible Written? | Bible Gateway News & Knowledge
See the timeline of when each book of the Bible was written, understand challenges in dating them, and learn how scholars estimate the composition dates of ancient writing.
www.biblegateway.com
You know what they say of people who already think they know everything: the never learn.
- Pushing your views on others.
- Thinking you are right while everyone else is wrong.
- Expecting everyone to listen to you while never listening to anyone else.
As to what Jesus said, all you really know is what the Bible tells you he said to do.
And the Bible is a loose compilation of authors ranging from 1500 years before Jesus was born
to decades after his death from oral accounts; none of it written during the actual life of Jesus.
When Was Each Book of the Bible Written? | Bible Gateway News & Knowledge
See the timeline of when each book of the Bible was written, understand challenges in dating them, and learn how scholars estimate the composition dates of ancient writing.www.biblegateway.com
Just about every piece of ancient history that has been documented has been written decades - possibly hundreds of years after the events.
The Gospels, on the other hand, were written from a single-source (theorized) "Q Document" - and the authors likely had other sources - hence the variations of specific stories within them. The Gospel of Mark is dated between 50 - 70 AD - only a few decades after the passion of the Christ.
And to be honest - when discussing the Bible - and the Gospels - the truth is in the pudding. The stories, the miracles, the sermons - the passion - cannot be duplicated - and most of all, the way Jesus' teachings come alive for billions and billions of people - always spoken in the same manner - with authority, throughout all the Gospels - is an absolute checkmate to the naysayers.
As far as the rest of your comments:
- Pushing your view on others:
- I absolutely agree - unfortunately, many Christians have become puppets of the adversary. Although they may think they are doing God's work - and speaking with authority against other religions and even against fellow Christians - they are are only doing what the adversary has implanted in their minds to do - which is create further discord among fellow humans - and even fellow Christians.
- Thinking you are right and everyone else is wrong:
I think many of us can go through phases like that - it's part of human nature. But the fact that it came from someone professing on behalf of Jesus Christ and all Christians - well, that's not really ok. That is not the way Jesus or his Apostles taught. So why would anyone believe they are "above" Jesus or the Apostles?
- Expecting everyone to listen to you while never listening to anyone else:
toobfreak
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Don't get me wrong-- I am not attacking the Bible, I have great respect for it. I am merely just pointing out the various uncertainties and inconsistencies in it, especially the view that because it is right that all other religions must therefore be wrong! Especially as most religions say the same thing!
Yep - I understand - and I agree.
The basis of most of the major religion and faiths throughout history has been variations of the "Golden Rule" - Treat other as you wish to be treated. They then vary depending on the people, the time period and so forth. But even in the variations, most teach about "Spiritual Righteousness" And most teach about some sort of "adversary" or "adversarial spirits".
What becomes lost in translation - or lost because of human nature, over the years, are the very basics and foundations of most of these faiths. What ends up standing out is the "holier than thou" false spirit of the adversary. And from this we get wars, discord, persecution, and so forth.
kjw47
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I know 100% i have found truth. I studied carefully since 1961.You know what they say of people who already think they know everything: the never learn.
- Pushing your views on others.
- Thinking you are right while everyone else is wrong.
- Expecting everyone to listen to you while never listening to anyone else.
As to what Jesus said, all you really know is what the Bible tells you he said to do.
And the Bible is a loose compilation of authors ranging from 1500 years before Jesus was born
to decades after his death from oral accounts; none of it written during the actual life of Jesus.
When Was Each Book of the Bible Written? | Bible Gateway News & Knowledge
See the timeline of when each book of the Bible was written, understand challenges in dating them, and learn how scholars estimate the composition dates of ancient writing.www.biblegateway.com
God inspired the words in his bible. Catholicism altered his bible. They removed his name against his will. And its 100% fact-the Word is not called capitol G God in the Greek lexicons at John 1:1, he is called the same exact word as satan is called at 2 Cor 4:4=god, at both places the true living God is called a different Greek word you can look them both up-One word ends in a g like character, one ends in a v like character. Translating works the same at both spots. Trinity scholars know its fact, they are deceivers by not saying truth about it. Those religions are raking in billions yearly, they do not want it to stop. That single error at John 1:1 proves all of those religions false.
BreezeWood
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when was the first time a priest did not give biased advice ... choosing the dark christian bible as their guide in life says it all about those people.
toobfreak
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It's great that you believe that.
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