For the ones that use brains, why does Mass create Gravity?

[Chuz Life]

You never ask the right questions, and you never know the answers.

I've tried to engage with him.

I found nothing of real substance to work with.

Just the same condescension and tortured logic that we get from Monkeytard and so many others here.

 

[Gary Seven]

Anything with mass pulls.... The more mass something has... the stronger its gravitational pull....
So yes Mass creates gravity....

He's asking WHY.

 

[Gary Seven]

IMO, it has to do with the fabric of space/time. The heavier an object, the more energy is exerted on the "fabric" upon which the purported object lies. Basically a tiny black hole is opened up from this weight, like water trying to exit down a drain. There is probably one at the center of our own planet. However this is not simply a three-dimensional fabric. Been encompasses quite a few dimensions besides just the four or five that we know about and can verify with our senses.

To be blunt this is like a fart trying to escape through a very tight asshole! It becomes more about pressure and equalization than gravity and we have come to think of it. Perhaps what I'm gettig at is displacement. Drop a ball in the water on a string and pull it, it pulls everything from else along with it. And it's a WEAK force. Good luck trying to reel in fish using this technique. As you reel the ball along, water rushes into fill its place pulling everything within the matrix along with it.

As I see it, space-time folds around objects. Space fold around volume, time fold around mass. These are all increasingly complex lattices of dimensional construction, which after awhile we kind of start to lose our ability to keep track of all the folds and ways.

Ultimately I believe all dimensions must all have some kind of mathematical fold in the way that they relate to each other to make up our universe. It's almost kind of like a protein in biology. It's amazing and almost miraculous the kind of things that can occur as a result

 

[Chuz Life]

IMO, it has to do with the fabric of space/time. The heavier an object, the more energy is exerted on the "fabric" upon which the purported object lies. Basically a tiny black hole is opened up from this weight, like water trying to exit down a drain. There is probably one at the center of our own planet. However this is not simply a three-dimensional fabric. Been encompasses quite a few dimensions besides just the four or five that we know about and can verify with our senses.

To be blunt this is like a fart trying to escape through a very tight asshole! It becomes more about pressure and equalization than gravity and we have come to think of it. Perhaps what I'm gettig at is displacement. Drop a ball in the water on a string and pull it, it pulls everything from else along with it. And it's a WEAK force. Good luck trying to reel in fish using this technique. As you reel the ball along, water rushes into fill its place pulling everything within the matrix along with it.

As I see it, space-time folds around objects. Space fold around volume, time fold around mass. These are all increasingly complex lattices of dimensional construction, which after awhile we kind of start to lose our ability to keep track of all the folds and ways.

Ultimately I believe all dimensions must all have some kind of mathematical fold in the way that they relate to each other to make up our universe. It's almost kind of like a protein in biology. It's amazing and almost miraculous the kind of things that can occur as a result

That too is a decent theory. . .

But we still don't have the "how" or "why" it works out that way.

Saying a heavy mass creates a mini black hole in the space-time continuum doesn't tell us how or why it does that or has that effect.

 

[jacksonlamb]

You never ask the right questions, and you never know the answers.

Of course, I do. You don't know the questions to ask, thus your answers are wrong.

 

[Rambunctious]

He's asking WHY.

I'm not smart enough but this is what AI says...

Imagine space and time are like a big stretchy sheet (often called “spacetime”).

• If you put something heavy—like Earth—on that sheet, it makes a dent or curve in it.
• That “bend” changes how other objects move nearby.

So instead of Earth “pulling” things with an invisible force, objects like the Moon or a falling apple are simply moving along the curved shape of spacetime around Earth.

A simple picture​

Think of a bowling ball on a trampoline:

• The bowling ball sinks in and curves the surface
• A marble rolled nearby will spiral toward it—not because they’re pulling each other directly, but because of the curved surface

 

[Rambunctious]

Pulling sounds like magnets.

AI says this...

Imagine space and time are like a big stretchy sheet (often called “spacetime”).

• If you put something heavy—like Earth—on that sheet, it makes a dent or curve in it.
• That “bend” changes how other objects move nearby.

So instead of Earth “pulling” things with an invisible force, objects like the Moon or a falling apple are simply moving along the curved shape of spacetime around Earth.

A simple picture​

Think of a bowling ball on a trampoline:

• The bowling ball sinks in and curves the surface
• A marble rolled nearby will spiral toward it—not because they’re pulling each other directly, but because of the curved surface

 

[Chuz Life]

AI says this...

Imagine space and time are like a big stretchy sheet (often called “spacetime”).

• If you put something heavy—like Earth—on that sheet, it makes a dent or curve in it.
• That “bend” changes how other objects move nearby.

So instead of Earth “pulling” things with an invisible force, objects like the Moon or a falling apple are simply moving along the curved shape of spacetime around Earth.

A simple picture​

Think of a bowling ball on a trampoline:

• The bowling ball sinks in and curves the surface
• A marble rolled nearby will spiral toward it—not because they’re pulling each other directly, but because of the curved surface

The video linked to in the OP reveals that the trampoline example you are giving is flawed, though.

 

[Rambunctious]

The video linked to in the OP reveals that the trampoline example you are giving is flawed, though.

Wow interesting... I never thought about it further than the relativity concept... What do you think?... Its actually a good question where does gravity come from...

 

[Chuz Life]

Wow interesting... I never thought about it further than the relativity concept... What do you think?... Its actually a good question where does gravity come from...

I already posited my theory.

I think all particles contain (electrical?) properties that present as an attraction to other particles.

We already know that more particles mean more mass.

My theory is that the net effect (attraction) is also accumulative.

 

[Robert W]

Wow interesting... I never thought about it further than the relativity concept... What do you think?... Its actually a good question where does gravity come from...

I watched more videos of this on YouTube and the general themes are that Gravity does not exist.

Now to test this, they want to cite Einstein as their hero, who says what we feel, standing up, or in cases of free fall, do not feel, shows evidence of space time. This itself is mysterious. It feels like an invention more than a reasonable idea to me. But do planets pull on each other, well watching the Sun vs the earth one sure can believe that. Watching spaceships cling to earth in orbits one can see the claim of space curved as possible. Time, I don't know. I believe that on all planets, and stars, time changes. An hour on Earth may well be a second on stars or giant planets. So those claiming it is apace time have the duty to prove their claims. Now, if they can't prove their claims, all it means is they lack the foundation to be able to explain. We know this for certain, those leaping off the Twin Towers on 911 sure proved they were falling and now we want to find out why they fell if gravity is a ruse.

 

[Rambunctious]

I watched more videos of this on YouTube and the general themes are that Gravity does not exist.

Now to test this, they want to cite Einstein as their hero, who says what we feel, standing up, or in cases of free fall, do not feel, shows evidence of space time. This itself is mysterious. It feels like an invention more than a reasonable idea to me. But do planets pull on each other, well watching the Sun vs the earth one sure can believe that. Watching spaceships cling to earth in orbits one can see the claim of space curved as possible. Time, I don't know. I believe that on all planets, and stars, time changes. An hour on Earth may well be a second on stars or giant planets. So those claiming it is apace time have the duty to prove their claims. Now, if they can't prove their claims, all it means is they lack the foundation to be able to explain. We know this for certain, those leaping off the Twin Towers on 911 sure proved they were falling and now we want to find out why they fell if gravity is a ruse.

I heard a radio show that focused on the theory of entropic gravity... quantum physics kind of stuff...

 

[Gary Seven]

I'm not smart enough but this is what AI says...

Imagine space and time are like a big stretchy sheet (often called “spacetime”).

• If you put something heavy—like Earth—on that sheet, it makes a dent or curve in it.
• That “bend” changes how other objects move nearby.

So instead of Earth “pulling” things with an invisible force, objects like the Moon or a falling apple are simply moving along the curved shape of spacetime around Earth.

A simple picture​

Think of a bowling ball on a trampoline:

• The bowling ball sinks in and curves the surface
• A marble rolled nearby will spiral toward it—not because they’re pulling each other directly, but because of the curved surface

Yes! That's pretty much exactly as I was envisioning it. Stretching, resulting in a kind of vacuum. But not in the conventional sense. Something greater than just 3D.

 

[Gary Seven]

This was one of the most...if not THE MOST...fascinating book I've ever read:

Nick Cook was executive editor of Jane's Air Defense Weekly, a military periodical.

 

[Robert W]

Yes! That's pretty much exactly as I was envisioning it. Stretching, resulting in a kind of vacuum. But not in the conventional sense. Something greater than just 3D.

Notice they always talk about space time as imaginary. What is time and was it fake or invented on Earth to represent planet movement over a period of a span of one rotation of Earth. Seems time would be different on huge planets. Time is really a rotation period.

 

[Gary Seven]

Notice they always talk about space time as imaginary. What is time and was it fake or invented on Earth to represent planet movement over a period of a span of one rotation of Earth. Seems time would be different on huge planets. Time is really a rotation period.

Motion in general is the manifestation of time. Space and things suspended in it are not just frozen and unmoving. They are always moving. It's part of how the universe exists. Space-time is the part we are aware of which comprises the first 4 or 5 of 11 or so mathematically proven dimensions. Generally the 5th dimension is what we call String Theory, where quantum reality begins to manifest. This is how a single photon has been proven to exist in many places at ones (and perhaps also in many times). It is to his fact that makes think that while it may be impossible to physically travel (warp) forward or backward in time, it may in fact be possible to send messages or images into the past or future. It is arguable that this may not be a good idea, however, it may already be happening somewhere/sometime. As we progress into the sixth dimension and beyond, it gets increasingly hard for humans in their current state of evolution to conceive of life in those terms, but that doesn't mean we aren't actually living it. Once we start to progress past the level of quantum space-time, we will likely also learn how to manipulate the universe in strange new ways.

 

[Robert W]

Motion in general is the manifestation of time. Space and things suspended in it are not just frozen and unmoving. They are always moving. It's part of how the universe exists. Space-time is the part we are aware of which comprises the first 4 or 5 of 11 or so mathematically proven dimensions. Generally the 5th dimension is what we call String Theory, where quantum reality begins to manifest. This is how a single photon has been proven to exist in many places at ones (and perhaps also in many times). It is to his fact that makes think that while it may be impossible to physically travel (warp) forward or backward in time, it may in fact be possible to send messages or images into the past or future. It is arguable that this may not be a good idea, however, it may already be happening somewhere/sometime. As we progress into the sixth dimension and beyond, it gets increasingly hard for humans in their current state of evolution to conceive of life in those terms, but that doesn't mean we aren't actually living it. Once we start to progress past the level of quantum space-time, we will likely also learn how to manipulate the universe in strange new ways.

I was in the 8th grade, in 1951 when I turned into the teacher my paper proposing space can be warped and suddenly a spaceship would leap far into the future. Sounds like you believe my thesis.

 

[Gary Seven]

I was in the 8th grade, in 1951 when I turned into the teacher my paper proposing space can be warped and suddenly a spaceship would leap far into the future. Sounds like you believe my thesis.

No. Read what I wrote again. I said that physical leaps would not be possible, IMO. Did you not see the part where I wrote that it might be possible with messages or images though?