For the ones that use brains, why does Mass create Gravity?

[toobfreak]

If you had two enormous masses in space, significantly separated, they would just be there doing their time warping thing and having no effect on the other giant masses, which are too far away. . .

To be sure, Chuz, everything in the universe is "pulling" on you right now no matter how far away. The Virgo Supercluster of galaxies is pulling on our Local Group.

There is no point where the effects of gravity from another object stops pulling on you, just that the strength of that attraction falls off with the square of the distance to where the effect becomes so small that it can be treated as zero.

 

[Chuz Life]

To be sure, Chuz, everything in the universe is "pulling" on you right now no matter how far away. The Virgo Supercluster of galaxies is pulling on our Local Group.

There is no point where the effects of gravity from another object stops pulling on you, just that the strength of that attraction falls off with the square of the distance to where the effect becomes so small that it can be treated as zero.

True!

Even as a Layman, I understand that.

I was expecting someone to point at my drawing and then argue about the "mass" of the immovable points.

 

[Robert W]

If you listen closely to the video, there is a pull or attraction of one mass to another.

Even the video says it's there, but it is not yet understood.

If you had two enormous masses in space, significantly separated, they would just be there doing their time warping thing and having no effect on the other giant masses, which are too far away. . .

But bring them closer, and they will immediately start pulling on one another.

Just as their pull (gravity) was warping the time around them, when they were each alone.

Let's imagine two huge planets, chained to an immovable point with a pulling force meter (1 & 2) to measure the force of the two masses pulling on each other.

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In my view/ understanding, the force "pull" measured on the meters (1&2) will read the same. Mainly because, since both are restrained, their resistances would be cancelled out.

But that pull/ force between them will remain constant because neither mass can move.

"Time," while they are in that physical state, doesn't just stop though. . .

This is why I think the force is something other than simply "time."

Two major masses attached to each other. Earth and the Moon. Common sense would lead us to believe they are approaching each other and will collide. However I have never read that is what is
believed.

Question now is. Will Earth and the Moon collide? At times they get closer and later pull apart.

 

[Robert W]

Even as a Layman, I understand that.

I was expecting someone to point at my drawing and then argue about the "mass" of the immovable points.

Issac Newton and even Einstein were once laymen.

 

[Chuz Life]

Two major masses attached to each other. Earth and the Moon. Common sense would lead us to believe they are approaching each other and will collide. However I have never read that is what is
believed.

Question now is. Will Earth and the Moon collide? At times they get closer and later pull apart.

There are opposing forces that make the moon and Earth geostationary relative to one another.

The centrifugal force of the moon's orbit that tries to throw it out and away from the Earth is just as strong as is the gravitational pull between them.

The forces cancel each other, and unless and until something upsets the balance, they stay in that relationship.

I'm sure mine is an oversimplification to people who are much more informed about it.

 

[Robert W]

To be sure, Chuz, everything in the universe is "pulling" on you right now no matter how far away. The Virgo Supercluster of galaxies is pulling on our Local Group.

There is no point where the effects of gravity from another object stops pulling on you, just that the strength of that attraction falls off with the square of the distance to where the effect becomes so small that it can be treated as zero.

Pulling again. What causes pulling? Why is Earth approaching the moon and later distancing themselves from each other? We are talking gravity here so at times it is stronger and the same planets it is weaker.

If not, the two will collide.

 

[toobfreak]

Two major masses attached to each other. Earth and the Moon. Common sense would lead us to believe they are approaching each other and will collide. However I have never read that is what is
believed. Question now is. Will Earth and the Moon collide? At times they get closer and later pull apart.

Actually, dynamic braking caused by our oceans is causing the Earth and Moon to slowly get farther apart.

In the distant future, the Moon will be too far away for us to see total solar eclipses on Earth anymore.

 

[Robert W]

There are opposing forces that make the moon and Earth geostationary relative to one another.

The centrifugal force of the moon's orbit that tries to throw it out and away from the Earth is just as strong as is the gravitational pull between them.

The forces cancel each other, and unless and until something upsets the balance, they stay in that relationship.

I'm sure mine is an oversimplification to people who are much more informed about it.

Are you saying gravity turns on then off? Will Gravity cause the Earth to collide with each other?

 

[Robert W]

Actually, dynamic braking caused by our oceans is causing the Earth and Moon to slowly get farther apart.

In the distant future, the Moon will be too far away for us to see total solar eclipses on Earth anymore.

So, gravity is not causing them to collide? That is kind of like birds stop flying.

 

[toobfreak]

Pulling again. What causes pulling?

There is no pulling. The "pull" of gravity is just an apparent effect, just as falling, weightlessness and zero gravity all appear the same because they each have identical effects on objects.

Similar effect does not equal similar cause.

 

[Chuz Life]

Are you saying gravity turns on then off? Will Gravity cause the Earth to collide with each other?

No Gravity doesn't switch on and off.

It's a matter of opposing forces.

When two forces oppose each other equally, they cancel one another.

Imagine a guy jumping off a truck at more than 50 miles an hour and landing on his feet, unharmed.

There is only one way for that to happen.

"Opposing forces."

 

[Chuz Life]

There is no pulling. The "pull" of gravity is just an apparent effect, just as falling, weightlessness and zero gravity all appear the same because they each have identical effects on objects.

Similar effect does not equal similar cause.

Help me out here.

If there is no "pulling" what would explain the calculatable values for the "pulling force meters" (1&2) in my drawing?

 

[Robert W]

Actually, dynamic braking caused by our oceans is causing the Earth and Moon to slowly get farther apart.

In the distant future, the Moon will be too far away for us to see total solar eclipses on Earth anymore.

I Just read a claim on the internet that in the distant future Earth and the moon will be locked into a stable orbit for each other.

The Moon is getting slightly farther away from the Earth each year − a physicist explains why

 

[Robert W]

No Gravity doesn't switch on and off.

It's a matter of opposing forces.

When two forces oppose each other equally, they cancel one another.

Imagine a guy jumping off a truck at more than 50 miles an hour and landing on his feet, unharmed.

There is only one way for that to happen.

"Opposing forces."

Do the opposing forces have names? Gravity being one of the opposing forces?

 

[Robert W]

There is no pulling. The "pull" of gravity is just an apparent effect, just as falling, weightlessness and zero gravity all appear the same because they each have identical effects on objects.

Similar effect does not equal similar cause.

Gravity would explain why the Earth and Moon will collide. However, I read that actually the two bodies are getting further apart that demonstrates gravity causes things to get more distant.

 

[Chuz Life]

Do the opposing forces have names? Gravity being one of the opposing forces?

Yes, like I said.

The other force (acting on the moon and opposing gravitational pull) is the "centrifugal force" of the moon's orbit.

 

[toobfreak]

Help me out here.
If there is no "pulling" what would explain the calculatable values for the "pulling force meters" (1&2) in my drawing?

Again, there is no pulling of gravity just as there is no centrifugal force contained within a ball spun inside a jar. The force is the ACTION created by the motion of the ball upon the jar, nothing endemic to either the ball or jar. Stop spinning the ball, the force disappears.

Similarly, mass does not create gravity, gravity is the action upon the surrounding time frame as a result of its bending of space.

 

[Robert W]

Yes, like I said.

The other force (acting on the moon and opposing gravitational pull) is the "centrifugal force" of the moon's orbit.

Centrifugal force happens when bodies are attached to each other. Such as you tossing off an anchor.

 

[Chuz Life]

Again, there is no pulling of gravity just as there is no centrifugal force contained within a ball spun inside a jar. The force is the ACTION created by the motion of the ball upon the jar, nothing endemic to either the ball or jar. Stop spinning the ball, the force disappears.

Similarly, mass does not create gravity, gravity is the action upon the surrounding time frame as a result of its bending of space.

Using my drawing below, please explain why there will be force indicated on the two meters (1&2) - if there is no "pulling of gravity."

 

[Chuz Life]

Centrifugal force happens when bodies are attached to each other. Such as you tossing off an anchor.

I don't know about that.

Take a fishing weight and tie it to a string. Then, swing the string rapidly in a circle over your head. That force you feel as the weight pulls on the string is centrifugal force.

No idea how you could get that by tossing an anchor.