Even if they're doing nothing to harm others?
Like I said, if they were getting stoned on their free time and not adversely affecting the lives of others, that would be one thing. You know, like home delivery & paid for by their own honest money.
But drug dealers don't have a conscience. They could have 10 decent customers and one customer who letting their kid(s) go without food, medicine to clothes, just so he/she can get high. There's a LOT of those druggies out there like that. George Floyd for one. Who was $30,000 behind in child support and rarely seen his kids. He, like a lot of them, would rather do drugs and commit crimes than take care of their own kids.
This is where typical conservatives lose me. They're really committed to the same idea that statist liberals are - namely, that government is there to shape society, to tell people how to live. I prefer a government that protects our rights, and otherwise stays out of the way. Leaves us free to create the kind of society we want, without resorting to coercion.
I'm not in any way, shape or form saying that the government should tell people how to live their lives. If people would simply act right, there'd be very little need for our justice system. But citizens like to cheat others, they like to steal, murder, rape and commit atrocities on children. And a HUGE portion of those people use drugs. This is the very reason we have LEO's, jails and prisons. Because people just won't act right.
Here's a clue for you, sherlock. Do you know why cops have to write so many retarded traffic tickets? Because they have to pay for the fuckin criminals. Most of which are on drugs.
Nothing is free.
The cost of criminals is something the LP doesn't even think about.
Nope. I didn't say that. Did I?
You might as well have. Because there's a lot of decent folks in society who choose to be decent adults. They simply want to go about their day without being adversely affected. And if it takes being a LOT tougher on druggy criminals, then so be it. What ever it takes, because it's the decent people who keep the economy going. We keep people in their jobs. We keep companies growing. We feed the needy. We cure the sick. The decent people of this world is what makes this world a decent place.
Druggy criminals don't. They're worthless.
You're comparing a druggie to a nuclear weapon? Heh.. no.
No. I'm making a point. One I know you got, because you're changing the subject from the point to this question.
The point: Anything can be harmless if in the hands of the right people. But not everyone is the same. So there has to be laws in effect to protect the innocent.
You tell me. You're making some pretty extreme, and completely unsupported claims here. Most people who use drugs, like most people in general, don't harm others. We should deal with those who do, like we do with people in general who harm others, but dismissing people's rights based on your stereotypes is not good government.
Just dealing with those who do, without addressing why or how they got that way, is retarded. And it completely irresponsible.
A lot of those homeless druggies got that way because of drugs. Just a little here, and a little there. Next thing they know, they're divorces, jobless, can't see their kids, have a criminal record and no way in hell they're going to get back on their feet because the drugs have fried their brains.
God damn dude. Surely you have heard the story of someone who went from top to bottom because of drugs. I know a few just in my family. And have know a few more who I was acquainted with in my life.
How fucked up does someone have to be to choose getting high and living on the streets, verses living a normal decent life?
You've never associated with many homeless people have you? 90% of them are the same. They all want to get out of their hole. But not enough to actually become responsible and give up their drugs.
The LP doesn't oppose the justice system. We never harped about "defunding the police", and we're not anarchists. You would do well to re-examine some of the stereotypes you're leaning on here. They don't hold water.
I meant on the justice system as it pertains to drugs and druggies. I don't have a republican view of the LP.
We defend anyone who is being persecuted by government when they've done nothing wrong.
And that's one flaw with the LP. They'll defend a druggy criminals persecution by the government, regardless of why he's being persecuted.
Example: You walk up on 3 cops in an alley, beating the life out of some female. You break out your camera phone and start recording. You start screaming at the cops to stop. You call 911. After that, you give the video to the media. They garner enough support to have these cops thrown in jail for life.
But here's where the LP & the left goes wrong. The cops were beating the life out of this chick because she sold her 10yr old daughter for drug money, to another druggy with a horse size dick. Who fucked the little girl to death.
In other words, it shouldn't matter to the LP as to what happens to druggy criminals. They're not worth fighting for. The lp and the left don't care about what the perp did. They just want to fight for someone's civil rights, as if it gives them some moral high ground.
If they've victimized someone, they should never walk away from a conviction. Who is saying otherwise?
It happens all the damn time.
Ok. I imagined it. What's that got to do with anything?
Well, that happens all the time to. Apparently that person is still not fit for society. But is back out on the streets because someone was protecting his civil liberties.
No one. Not one person should be set free from prison until they're actually fit for society.
