Pay Attention To The War

[Mr Natural]

^^^

Looks like someone is in denial.

 

[80zephyr]

Socialism is often times the best way to deliver a product or service to the market. Protecting the borders, law enforcement, fire protection, public roadways, railways, and waterways. Public water and sewer. I mean we are surrounded by Socialism. The largest flour mill in the United States, North Dakota Mill and Elevator, owned by the people of North Dakota for more than a hundred years.

I mean the OP. Probably woke up this morning, cut on the light. Probably a public utility, went to the bathroom and flushed it into the city sewage system. More socialism. Turned on the shower, public water, more Socialism. I mean those tall ass water towers, monuments to Socialism. Jumped in their car and got on a public road, more socialism. Picked up some flour, cranberries, and milk at the grocery store. All produced by co-ops or a publicly owned mill, like North Dakota. Socialism.

Originally, all uranium enrichment was conducted by a government owned company. I mean makes sense, and we were not importing the stuff from Russia. It was domestically produced. Socialized Medicine, we kind of have it with Medicare, we definitely have it with the VA

https://news.va.gov/press-room/nationwide-patient-survey-shows-va-hospitals-outperform-non-va-hospitals/

VA hospitals outperformed non-VA hospitals on all 10 core patient satisfaction metrics — including overall hospital rating, communication with doctors, communication about medication, willingness to recommend the hospital, and more.

Damn socialism. Social Security, damn, it is actually called "Social" Insurance. I mean I have actually met one person in my life. Just one person. She was 77 when she died. Never collected a dime of Social Security. Never signed up for Medicare. She didn't believe in that Socialist bullshit. The difference between her and these trigger word spouting parrots, she actually stood for what she believed in.

Socialism:
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

 

[Edgetho]

Socialism:
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

I don't know where you got that from, but I'd take that book back to the Grade School Library you got it from.

socialism advocates the means of production be owned by The Workers.

Engels, the moron that sucked Marx's dick for 30 years, advocated the temporary holding by government of the means of production until socialist workers had matured enough to take the responsibility. Which has never, and will never, happen.

Marx also strongly advocated a Capitalist system before socialism and after that, government would 'Wither Away" and communism would appear out of thin air from Fairy Dust and good wishes.

Russia bypassed the Capitalist Stage of Marx's theory and was widely predicted, by everybody, to fail. They went straight from a Monarchy to communism, bypassing the Capitalist and socialist parts of Marxian theory. A fatal mistake. BTWm know what a 'Soviet' is? Didn't think so. It's a Russian Workers Council. Kerry on

Marx was a moron. The entire theory is moronic. Childish, backwards, primitive and stupid.

The theories of Marx, as stupid as they were, were more interested in the redistribution of land than anything else. Which applied to Europe, NOT to the USA. We had more land than we knew what to do with.

But Marx wasn't the only idiot in the equation. The real idiots are the idiots that believe his bullshit

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yes, the founders were socialists, in many respects. It is right there in the Constitution. A PUBLICLY owned post office. An Army, a Navy. And within a decade, public roads, public ownership of all the navigable rivers and waterways. I mean that one was absolutely huge. Another decade passes, then it is the Erie Canal, financed by the state of New York, first PUBLICLY funded canal. Damn socialist.

And you mentioned public universities, sure bud did, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, established in 1789, damn Socialists. Actually stayed in Old East, built in 1793, by slaves. Hell, even the Revolutionary War Veterans got pensions, many women collected for their own service, dressed as men. Don't tell. But worse, some of them got Bounty Land Warrants, FREE LAND, damn Socialists.

Lewis and Clark carried the small-pox vaccine with them, except it wasn't a vaccine, it was an inoculation. Paid for by the government, they were tasked with giving the vaccine to every Native American they came across. Damn Socialists.

You already proved you are an imbecile.....now, about also being a liar:

The scummy low-life liar that I exposed as follows: you wrote this-


"And there it is, you just revealed yourself a liar. A couple of years ago you claimed a degree from Brown." When You Are Missing The Ability To Learn.... post 48


You lied and I caught you in the lie.



I never said any such thing. There has never been any such claim by me.

I challenged you to prove it....and you simply slithered away.

There is a search function and you and anyone else can use it.



And there will be no such statement by me.



Because you are a low-life lying scum.







Are you ready to admit that you are lying scum and I never made the statement you just claimed I made?



Proven by the fact that no such statement exists.





And you will never be allowed to forget what a sack of offal you are.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You haven't even attempted to refute the Socialist components of the Constitution. Nor have you even addressed the Socialist components of Early America. At this point, you are just blowing out hot air.

The Constitution was based on freedom for the individual and restrictions on government powers......both the very opposite of socialism/communislm.


Now get lost you lying sack of offal.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Frankly the American people are losing this war, it’s the demafacist have taken over the party and they have their violent brownshirts armed and ready to riot and attempt a coup

Centralist, are fearful to speak out and many are fleeing the party

Did you notice who won the election and who lost it?

 

[PoliticalChic]

socialism in and of itself isn't bad. The biggest problem with socialism is the fact that it is led by socialists

Nearly 100% of socialist governments have slaughtered their own citizens.

I can only think of one successful one.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I have this 20 inch Crescent wrench. Weighs about 10 lbs. I used it for decades building and repairing large machinery in sawmills, construction sites, and steel mills. I could just as easily have used it to crush someone's skull. Capitalism and socialism are both economic tools, and both can be used for evil. There is no wealthy nation that does not use a combination of both. And our nation's best idea, National Parks, is pure socialism, preserving the very best and most unique for the enjoyment of all.

What country do you live in?


Why? You are a fifth columnist, aren't you?

Be gone.

 

[Stryder50]

You are such a troll, and you have no knowledge of history whatsoever. The founders were socialist, it didn't come from any foreign migration. I mean right off the bat, the Constitution is not based on the Bible, it most closely resembles the Constitution of the Six Nations of the Iroquois Confederacy, the Great Law of Peace.

https://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/hconres331.pdf

Hell, read Article I, Section 8, of the US Constitution. Establish a Post Office. That is Socialist. Build an Army and a Navy, more socialism. In 1806 Jefferson established the Cumberland Road, a public road, Socialism. During that same time period Congress socialized most all of America's navigable waterways. Hell, socialized for real. Damn, they had libraries in many areas of this country, public ones. Socialism. Did the immigrants in the 19th and 20th century come up with the concept of police protection, public fire departments?

But the whole, strong armed socialist, communist, and you had to throw in WOKE, anti-western civilization, LOL. verses the money-hungry, power-hungry, and here we throw in Clinton. That really is pretty lame.

The upper end of the Democratic establishment is pointing fingers at each other, each trying to cast blame on the defeat of Harris. After all, she only had about 107 days to run. The press knew about it, why didn't they say something. Members of Biden's cabinet knew about, why didn't they say something. Meanwhile, the foot soldiers are dusting off the defeat and, for the moment, sitting back and watching the trainwreck that is this administration, and this Congress.

If you paid money for your "education" you may want to consider getting a refund.
Either you don't know what is "socialism" or you are intentionally dis-information spreading.
....
Socialism is an economic system where workers or the state own and manage the means of production. Learn about different forms of socialism, such as collectivization, communism, democratic socialism, social democracy, utopian socialism and anarcho-socialism.
...

Socialism - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia​

 

[PoliticalChic]

^^^

Looks like someone is in denial.

You really need to put more into the post.


This is the purpose of the message board.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Socialism:
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

....and will slaughter those who don't comply.


I asked how one can ignore/miss the human misery caused by every communist/socialist entity, and simply support them.
Between four and seven million people, mainly Ukrainian peasant farmers, are estimated to have starved to death in the Ukrainian famine of 1932-33.

"The famine was man-made, and a result of a Soviet programme of forced agricultural collectivisation launched by Soviet leader Josef Stalin in 1932. Under the plan, individually owned and operated farms were replaced by large state-run collectives. Ukrainian farmers largely resisted the policy and in response Soviet officials forced some farmers from their lands, seized property, and confiscated produce in punishment for not meeting State production quotas. Soviet authorities also sealed the borders so no one could leave the country and blocked food supplies into Ukraine. Some historians have argued the policies were a deliberate attempt by Stalin to crush a drive for independence. The policy of collectivisation was also accompanied by a wide-ranging purge of the Ukrainian intelligentsia and of the Ukrainian Communist Party.https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2023-0051/#:~:text=The%20famine%20was%20man%2Dmade,organisations%20to%20do%20the%20same.


They slaughtered that many in the Ukraine alone.
Holodomor - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Holodomor

The Great Famine of 1932–1933 in Ukraine (Holodomor), took from 7 million to 10 million innocent lives and became a national tragedy for the Ukrainian people.
‎Soviet famine of 1932–1933 · ‎Causes of the Holodomor · ‎Denial · ‎Category



September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933,all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained,starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together with Vyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of thecollectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor.He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan, the Kuban region,Crimea, the lower Volga region, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, and Siberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against the Kulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.

 

[Edgetho]

Nearly 100% of socialist governments have slaughtered their own citizens.

I can only think of one successful one.

Your teasing is irresistable -- Which one?

 

[Edgetho]

....and will slaughter those who don't comply.


I asked how one can ignore/miss the human misery caused by every communist/socialist entity, and simply support them.
Between four and seven million people, mainly Ukrainian peasant farmers, are estimated to have starved to death in the Ukrainian famine of 1932-33.

"The famine was man-made, and a result of a Soviet programme of forced agricultural collectivisation launched by Soviet leader Josef Stalin in 1932. Under the plan, individually owned and operated farms were replaced by large state-run collectives. Ukrainian farmers largely resisted the policy and in response Soviet officials forced some farmers from their lands, seized property, and confiscated produce in punishment for not meeting State production quotas. Soviet authorities also sealed the borders so no one could leave the country and blocked food supplies into Ukraine. Some historians have argued the policies were a deliberate attempt by Stalin to crush a drive for independence. The policy of collectivisation was also accompanied by a wide-ranging purge of the Ukrainian intelligentsia and of the Ukrainian Communist Party.https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2023-0051/#:~:text=The%20famine%20was%20man%2Dmade,organisations%20to%20do%20the%20same.


They slaughtered that many in the Ukraine alone.
Holodomor - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Holodomor

The Great Famine of 1932–1933 in Ukraine (Holodomor), took from 7 million to 10 million innocent lives and became a national tragedy for the Ukrainian people.
‎Soviet famine of 1932–1933 · ‎Causes of the Holodomor · ‎Denial · ‎Category



September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933,all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained,starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


'Lazar Kaganovich (together with Vyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of thecollectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as theHolodomor.He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan, the Kuban region,Crimea, the lower Volga region, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the NorthernCaucasus, and Siberiademanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against the Kulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

"They were thrown into a hole in the ground...the ground was moving..." Many were buried alive.

The reason so many Ukrainians died is because Stalin sent in Russia Troops in order to seize Ukrainian Harvests,

The Russians called the Ukrainians, "Kulacs''. Many of them were distantly related to Germans, Some believe the reason Hitler got fed up with Stalin was his abuse of Ukraine and its people. So he killed 20 million Russians. It was a good start

 

[PoliticalChic]

Your teasing is irresistable -- Which one?

I've traveled extensively in the Middle East. I stayed at a kibbutz/hotel in Israel

Were given a lecture by Hannah Levi, who has worked at Hagoshim for over 60 years....from its communist beginnings to the current, capitalist principles.


“In 1967, when the kibbutz opened its first 10 guest rooms, Ms. Levi asked to work in that section. It was one of the first to focus on tourism. In the past 20 years, many kibbutzes have adopted a capitalistic approach. Now roughly 80 percent of them are for-profit. Ten percent have remained communal collectives using the old socialist model, and the remaining 10 percent are religious.

Today, HaGoshrim has 225 members and 100 children. Members are paid salaries, but there is no communal dining room or laundry for the workers.


These folks totally bought into the socialist model, and the woman said how ashamed she felt when she was the first to have her own refrig. The need for survival will do that I guess.

"It's hard for older members to accept this change. I'm sorry capitalism didn't come along 40 years ago," Ms. Levi said.
"Israeli Kibbutz transformed from farm to resort"
Israeli Kibbutz transformed from farm to resort

 

[PoliticalChic]

The reason so many Ukrainians died is because Stalin sent in Russia Troops in order to seize Ukrainian Harvests,

The Russians called the Ukrainians, "Kulacs''. Many of them were distantly related to Germans, Some believe the reason Hitler got fed up with Stalin was his abuse of Ukraine and its people. So he killed 20 million Russians. It was a good start

Mao, a similar story.

 

[Winston]

The Constitution was based on freedom for the individual and restrictions on government powers......both the very opposite of socialism/communislm.


Now get lost you lying sack of offal.

What about the post office? What about the Army and the Navy? What about public libraries, public universities, public roads and waterways? Hell, the Constitution expanded the powers of the National Government beyond those granted under the Articles of the Confederation. That was the whole reason behind the Constitutional Convention.

And honestly, I don't care where you went to school, or more accurately, claim where you went to school. Obviously, wherever it was, you could graduate without a basic American History class. But there are something called the Seven Pillars. The Seven Pillars of Socialism. The first, and most important one, the ruler. The Constitution was constructed specifically to prevent the power of the ruler, to control all. First and foremost, a defense against Despotism.

The second, a caste system. The reality is, that is pretty much what we have created in the United States. Upward mobility is almost non-existent. And this administration, and the Republican party, is hell bent on putting up more barriers protecting the fortress of the wealthy, increasing the calamity of the poor. It is not hard to see. They don't even try to cover it up.

So only then do we get to number three, things in common. Where you on the right tend to focus, getting something you didn't earn. Tell me, did you earn that public water you used to take a shower this morning? How? The public sewage, police protection, local fire department? How did you earn it?

 

[PoliticalChic]

What about the post office? What about the Army and the Navy? What about public libraries, public universities, public roads and waterways? Hell, the Constitution expanded the powers of the National Government beyond those granted under the Articles of the Confederation. That was the whole reason behind the Constitutional Convention.

And honestly, I don't care where you went to school, or more accurately, claim where you went to school. Obviously, wherever it was, you could graduate without a basic American History class. But there are something called the Seven Pillars. The Seven Pillars of Socialism. The first, and most important one, the ruler. The Constitution was constructed specifically to prevent the power of the ruler, to control all. First and foremost, a defense against Despotism.

The second, a caste system. The reality is, that is pretty much what we have created in the United States. Upward mobility is almost non-existent. And this administration, and the Republican party, is hell bent on putting up more barriers protecting the fortress of the wealthy, increasing the calamity of the poor. It is not hard to see. They don't even try to cover it up.

So only then do we get to number three, things in common. Where you on the right tend to focus, getting something you didn't earn. Tell me, did you earn that public water you used to take a shower this morning? How? The public sewage, police protection, local fire department? How did you earn it?

You disgust me, lying low life.

And now you waste space with the stupidest claims.

This is just one more time you post as though you know anything....ANYTHING.....and lie about it.

Remember this, you windbag..........


Did you claim that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court had the authority to alter the dates and times for voting???

Did you, you lying scum??

After I posted that only the elected legislature could do so, according to the USConstitution???

https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/no-evidence-of-voter-fraud.939806/page-7#post-28636866 post 125

But neither the text of Article II itself nor the only case the concurrence cites that interprets Article II, McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U. S. 1 (1892), leads to the conclusion that Article II grants unlimited power to the legislature, devoid of any state constitutional limitations, to select the manner of appointing electors.
No state court can set a time limit for votes that should beyond the end of election day, no matter the delay in mail delivery.

Only an elected legislature may do that.

QED….you are and will always be, lying scum.


Please don't come back.

 

[Winston]

You disgust me, lying low life.

And now you waste space with the stupidest claims.

This is just one more time you post as though you know anything....ANYTHING.....and lie about it.

Remember this, you windbag..........


Did you claim that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court had the authority to alter the dates and times for voting???

Did you, you lying scum??

After I posted that only the elected legislature could do so, according to the USConstitution???

https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/no-evidence-of-voter-fraud.939806/page-7#post-28636866 post 125

But neither the text of Article II itself nor the only case the concurrence cites that interprets Article II, McPherson v. Blacker, 146 U. S. 1 (1892), leads to the conclusion that Article II grants unlimited power to the legislature, devoid of any state constitutional limitations, to select the manner of appointing electors.
No state court can set a time limit for votes that should beyond the end of election day, no matter the delay in mail delivery.

Only an elected legislature may do that.

QED….you are and will always be, lying scum.


Please don't come back.

Can you not stay on topic? Why are we talking about the action of the Pennsylvania legislature and courts regarding elections and why do you have to go back over 130 years, to Michigan, to make an argument. And your argument is, Article II gives States unlimited powder in setting the means of an election. Well except for that clause, that I guess you can't understand, "devoid of any state constitutional limitations".

All this stems from the whole counting the absentee votes in Pennyslvania, the court pushing out the time frame that they could be counted. And guess what, your side fucking lost, the votes were counted, not do so violated the first and fourteenth amendments as wells as the Civil Rights Act. And the SCOTUS refused to hear the appeal.

Like I said, you are a troll. You open up a thread, pontificate a bit with obviously cut and paste tactics that are often completely discombobulated. In this case, claiming the founders were not socialist and that socialism entered this country through the immigrants that came from Europe. Then, you absolutely refuse to even attempt to back that argument. That tells me you are an uneducated poser that spends way too much time perusing the right wing media propaganda sites, that you often times attempt to claim what you are reading as your own work, failing to provide citations.

To further confirm this suspicion, you completely refuse to counter my arguments. Concrete examples of Socialist concepts enshrined within the very Constitution. Early Socialist actions by the young American Republic. You could not even counter the fact that the Second Continental Congress was established to increase the power of the federal government. That means you can't. It means you don't even have the intellectual capability of making that argument. Maybe you should sent a PM to whatever blog you lifted the OP from, maybe they can help you out. But deflection, personal attacks, and derision, that is not going to cut it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Can you not stay on topic? Why are we talking about the action of the Pennsylvania legislature and courts regarding elections and why do you have to go back over 130 years, to Michigan, to make an argument. And your argument is, Article II gives States unlimited powder in setting the means of an election. Well except for that clause, that I guess you can't understand, "devoid of any state constitutional limitations".

All this stems from the whole counting the absentee votes in Pennyslvania, the court pushing out the time frame that they could be counted. And guess what, your side fucking lost, the votes were counted, not do so violated the first and fourteenth amendments as wells as the Civil Rights Act. And the SCOTUS refused to hear the appeal.

Like I said, you are a troll. You open up a thread, pontificate a bit with obviously cut and paste tactics that are often completely discombobulated. In this case, claiming the founders were not socialist and that socialism entered this country through the immigrants that came from Europe. Then, you absolutely refuse to even attempt to back that argument. That tells me you are an uneducated poser that spends way too much time perusing the right wing media propaganda sites, that you often times attempt to claim what you are reading as your own work, failing to provide citations.

To further confirm this suspicion, you completely refuse to counter my arguments. Concrete examples of Socialist concepts enshrined within the very Constitution. Early Socialist actions by the young American Republic. You could not even counter the fact that the Second Continental Congress was established to increase the power of the federal government. That means you can't. It means you don't even have the intellectual capability of making that argument. Maybe you should sent a PM to whatever blog you lifted the OP from, maybe they can help you out. But deflection, personal attacks, and derision, that is not going to cut it.

What more is there to say......you've achieved the Triple Crown:


LiAR

IMBECILE

WINDBAG