Food Stamps OK For Porn, Tatoos, Jewelry

[Avatar4321]

The governor stated that such reforms were already in place elsewhere. I dont see anything on that being elaborated. If there are already reforms in place to prevent these things, this legislation is meaningless.

However, I also dont see anything particularly wrong in the legislation. How is prohibiting people from using food stamps on things other than food going to prevent people from getting their necessities? I think the Governor's reasoning needs to be fleshed out a little more.

Since I lack the information I just mentioned, I am not going to make a judgment whether the decision was right or wrong, though im inclined to support the restrictions and I am not sure why vetoing them is a good thing for anyone or why passing the bill will keep people from getting food.

I also agree that there is a spiritual poverty. Much like the famine Amos predicted:

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it. (Amos 8:11-12)

Of course, the Word of God is available, but we cant force people to feast. It's a shame. This isnt the dark ages anymore.

 

[MuadDib]

That is interesting

What do you think we should do about it?

How about restricting the use of those cards to the essentials of living? Food, clothing, rent, etc.

You can't use food stamps for clothes or rent.

No, but they're using EBT cards now. Part of it is Food Stamps and part of it is their monthly check.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I don't know.....maybe have food stamps available only for FOOD!

What do you think?

Why do you hate the poor?

 

[g5000]

How about delivering food to those who need it, and doing a health and welfare inspection at the same time?

Inspections? that sounds expensive.

The cost would be more than made up for by the elimination of rampant fraud. One social worker can make a lot of deliveries in one day.

 

[Avatar4321]

Individual RESPONSIBILITY is a great start.

It's not just a great start. It's the answer to everything.

Personal responsibility to provide for oneself and live within ones means.
Personal responsibility to make our families work as they should so we have a place we can immediately turn to for assistance.
Personal responsibility in helping our local communities through individual charity and person ministering.

 

[The T]

Individual RESPONSIBILITY is a great start.

It's not just a great start. It's the answer to everything.

Personal responsibility to provide for oneself and live within ones means.
Personal responsibility to make our families work as they should so we have a place we can immediately turn to for assistance.
Personal responsibility in helping our local communities through individual charity and person ministering.

Getting Government regulation(s) out of the way so the individual may start a business and OWN thier own means...

 

[g5000]

Individual RESPONSIBILITY is a great start.

It's not just a great start. It's the answer to everything.

Personal responsibility to provide for oneself and live within ones means.
Personal responsibility to make our families work as they should so we have a place we can immediately turn to for assistance.
Personal responsibility in helping our local communities through individual charity and person ministering.

I think the government should withhold all assistance from anyone who is a high school dropout.

If you aren't trying, then neither should we try to help you.


On the flip side, I can tell you that private charities suck at due diligence even more than the government does. Fraud is quite rampant in the private charity arena. Private charities are a soft touch.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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If the government was not providing assistance to the poor, there would be so many of them evident that even you would not be able to avoid seeing them.

!

Wrong. Stop giving things to these parasites and they'll find a way to get by on their own.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Maybe make food stamps a debt you have to pay back eventually? I don't know.

Saddling the truly needy with debt seems counterproductive.

The old "gubmint cheese" model seems the best. Literally handing the needy food.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Why do you hate the poor?

I don't like people who steal from me.

 

[Avatar4321]

Individual RESPONSIBILITY is a great start.

It's not just a great start. It's the answer to everything.

Personal responsibility to provide for oneself and live within ones means.
Personal responsibility to make our families work as they should so we have a place we can immediately turn to for assistance.
Personal responsibility in helping our local communities through individual charity and person ministering.

I think the government should withhold all assistance from anyone who is a high school dropout.

If you aren't trying, then neither should we try to help you.


On the flip side, I can tell you that private charities suck at due diligence even more than the government does. Fraud is quite rampant in the private charity arena. Private charities are a soft touch.

Private charities and individuals providing charity have grown soft since the government has taken over. We need to revive them. There is alot of work to do. But it can and will be done.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I don't like people who steal from me.

So you hate Obama?

 

[The T]

Why do you hate the poor?

I don't like people who steal from me.

The POTUS, The Congress are stealing YOU blind.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Private charities and individuals providing charity have grown soft since the government has taken over. We need to revive them. There is alot of work to do. But it can and will be done.

The best system I've ever seen is the Mormon system.

This was many years ago, but my first wife's sister was Mormon. She split with her husband and had no income, with a passel of kids (she was MORMON!) So what the Mormons did for her was to give her groceries. I mean, she got a form that listed all sorts of food, from ground beef to cheese to canned goods. Then once a week (or month, I don't really recall) the food would be delivered. Obviously, this wasn't junk food, it was simple and nutritious. But it was also plenty. The Bishop paid her rent and utilities, directly to the landlord and utility companies. She was required to go work at the food distribution center once a week, where they trained her to have a job, and eventually they helped her get a regular job.

It worked and wasted zero resources. From that time on, I said "that is the way welfare should work."

 

[PoliticalChic]

That is interesting

What do you think we should do about it?

1. I have often felt that food stamps should be reserved for purchases labeled as nutritious, but 'no-frills.'
No reason for those accepting 'Food Stamps' to eat better than those paying for the benefit.

2.Further, there should be government-sponsored church and other food kitchens available to any with a food stamp card.....no 'doggie bags.'

They are called 'Food Stamps" for a reason.


Wadda you think?

They really don;t eat beeter. Quicker maybe, lots of processed foods etc.

Staples. Make beneficiaries fo the plan take a basic cooking.Nutrition class and stop paying for any heavily processed foods.

Staples, Rice, Beans, lean meats and fish, veggies and fruit, Milk, flour sugar butter cheese. Forget that Freshetta pizza and those chips and that Soda etc.

Though it is my understanding that only a small amount of the overall EBT or Food Stamp monies can be used for anything other than food . . .unless there is a scam involved which sadly seems rife in the system.

My 2 cents.

Your '2 cents' is worth more than 2 cents!


"Ironically, the one demonstrable nutritional difference between the poor and others is that low-income women tend to be overweight more often than others. That may not seem like much to make a political issue, but politicians and the media have created hysteria over less.

The political left has turned obesity among low-income individuals into an argument that low-income people cannot afford nutritious food, and so have to resort to burgers and fries, pizzas and the like, which are more fattening and less healthful. But this attempt to salvage something from the “hunger in America” hoax collapses like a house of cards when you stop and think about it.

Burgers, pizzas and the like cost more than food that you can buy at a store and cook yourself. If you can afford junk food, you can certainly afford healthier food. An article in the New York Times of Sept. 25 by Mark Bittman showed that you can cook a meal for four at half the cost of a meal from a burger restaurant. So far, so good. But then Bittman says that the problem is “to get people to see cooking as a joy.” For this, he says, “we need action both cultural and political.” In other words, the nanny state to the rescue!"
Read more: SOWELL: Politicians need poverty to justify programs

 

[High_Gravity]

Maybe make food stamps a debt you have to pay back eventually? I don't know.

Saddling the truly needy with debt seems counterproductive.

The old "gubmint cheese" model seems the best. Literally handing the needy food.

Hmm maybe thats it than.

 

[High_Gravity]

Private charities and individuals providing charity have grown soft since the government has taken over. We need to revive them. There is alot of work to do. But it can and will be done.

The best system I've ever seen is the Mormon system.

This was many years ago, but my first wife's sister was Mormon. She split with her husband and had no income, with a passel of kids (she was MORMON!) So what the Mormons did for her was to give her groceries. I mean, she got a form that listed all sorts of food, from ground beef to cheese to canned goods. Then once a week (or month, I don't really recall) the food would be delivered. Obviously, this wasn't junk food, it was simple and nutritious. But it was also plenty. The Bishop paid her rent and utilities, directly to the landlord and utility companies. She was required to go work at the food distribution center once a week, where they trained her to have a job, and eventually they helped her get a regular job.

It worked and wasted zero resources. From that time on, I said "that is the way welfare should work."

Sounds like a good system but could we do this for literally millions of people across the country? I like it, its similar to the food pantry system we had when I was in the Military.

 

[Mustang]

There is no true poverty in the United States of America.
That is, material poverty. But there is spiritual poverty, poverty of character.
And there is a virulent political philosophy that encourages taking, rather than earning....
...pleading and demanding based on envy.

Food stamps for those who need food, and cannot provide for themselves...an old and honorable heritage in America: "On January 6, 1657 twenty-eight “Scottish men” signed the Laws Rules and Order of the Poor Boxes Society” in Boston, New England and formed the Scots’ Charitable Society."
http://www.linknet1.com/scots-charitable/menu1/index1.html



But what the Left has made common is a blemish on the nation and the people...

1."Mass Gov. Deval Patrick Vetoes Ban On Using Welfare EBT Cards To Purchase Porn, Tattoos, Manicures Because It Would “Humiliate Poor People”…No surprise he’s a close friend of Barack Obama (Axelrod ran his first campaign for Mass governor).

2. Patrick vetoed the reforms Sunday while signing the state’s $32.5 billion budget.

3. According to the Boston Herald, which first reported the veto, the governor berated the legislature’s stab at banning the purchase of specific items like manicures, tattoos, guns, porn, body piercings, jewelry, and bail by saying the move was “political grandstanding” at a time when such reforms are already on track elsewhere.


4. “I’m not going to do anything that makes vulnerable people beg for their benefits.This notion of humiliating poor people has got to be separated from how we make a program, and frankly separated and disposed of, from how we make a program work and work well,” Patrick said,...



5. Patrick allowed bans on the use of EBT cards in establishments known for the sale of seemingly controversial items — such as tattoo parlors, gun shops, casinos, cruise ships, and adult entertainment facilities —- to stand."
Exposing Liberal Lies: Deval Patrick OKs Porn, Tatoos, Jewelry with Food Stamps




We live in a time when the welfare industry needs to convinced well-meaning folks that there is a 'need.'
Rather it is a 'want.'


Consider the above when you vote.

You do understand, don't you, that there's a large number of BUSINESSES that engage in massive food stamp fraud?

 

[The T]

Private charities and individuals providing charity have grown soft since the government has taken over. We need to revive them. There is alot of work to do. But it can and will be done.

The best system I've ever seen is the Mormon system.

This was many years ago, but my first wife's sister was Mormon. She split with her husband and had no income, with a passel of kids (she was MORMON!) So what the Mormons did for her was to give her groceries. I mean, she got a form that listed all sorts of food, from ground beef to cheese to canned goods. Then once a week (or month, I don't really recall) the food would be delivered. Obviously, this wasn't junk food, it was simple and nutritious. But it was also plenty. The Bishop paid her rent and utilities, directly to the landlord and utility companies. She was required to go work at the food distribution center once a week, where they trained her to have a job, and eventually they helped her get a regular job.

It worked and wasted zero resources. From that time on, I said "that is the way welfare should work."

Sounds like a good system but could we do this for literally millions of people across the country? I like it, its similar to the food pantry system we had when I was in the Military.

Glenn Beck is working on such a system to fill the needs of 12 Cities...privately.

Glenn...is a Mormon...

 

[Mr.Nick]

There is no true poverty in the United States of America.
That is, material poverty. But there is spiritual poverty, poverty of character.
And there is a virulent political philosophy that encourages taking, rather than earning....
...pleading and demanding based on envy.

Food stamps for those who need food, and cannot provide for themselves...an old and honorable heritage in America: "On January 6, 1657 twenty-eight “Scottish men” signed the Laws Rules and Order of the Poor Boxes Society” in Boston, New England and formed the Scots’ Charitable Society."
http://www.linknet1.com/scots-charitable/menu1/index1.html



But what the Left has made common is a blemish on the nation and the people...

1."Mass Gov. Deval Patrick Vetoes Ban On Using Welfare EBT Cards To Purchase Porn, Tattoos, Manicures Because It Would “Humiliate Poor People”…No surprise he’s a close friend of Barack Obama (Axelrod ran his first campaign for Mass governor).

2. Patrick vetoed the reforms Sunday while signing the state’s $32.5 billion budget.

3. According to the Boston Herald, which first reported the veto, the governor berated the legislature’s stab at banning the purchase of specific items like manicures, tattoos, guns, porn, body piercings, jewelry, and bail by saying the move was “political grandstanding” at a time when such reforms are already on track elsewhere.


4. “I’m not going to do anything that makes vulnerable people beg for their benefits.This notion of humiliating poor people has got to be separated from how we make a program, and frankly separated and disposed of, from how we make a program work and work well,” Patrick said,...



5. Patrick allowed bans on the use of EBT cards in establishments known for the sale of seemingly controversial items — such as tattoo parlors, gun shops, casinos, cruise ships, and adult entertainment facilities —- to stand."
Exposing Liberal Lies: Deval Patrick OKs Porn, Tatoos, Jewelry with Food Stamps




We live in a time when the welfare industry needs to convinced well-meaning folks that there is a 'need.'
Rather it is a 'want.'


Consider the above when you vote.

That is interesting

What do you think we should do about it?

Abolish social welfare - both state and federal.

It's been abused to the extreme - let all these 30-year-olds living off the taxpayer fend for themselves.

Either that or make welfare fraud a class X felony punishable by a minimum of 15-years in prison. Maybe they can get their free "Obama money" that route...