Florist Sued for Refusing Service to Gay Couple Pens Defiant Letter Rejecting Gov’t Settlement Offer

[JoeB131]

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

Ready? Now pay attention….

Then it seems your problem isn't with Jose Illegal, it's with the guy who hires him.

I'd be all for going after the businesses and rich people who are responsible for this. But the reality is, those people are going to shove Jeb Bush into the white house, and he's going to sign off on the same amnesty Obama wants.

 

[Mac1958]

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The deflections continue.

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[bodecea]

Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.

Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash “under the table”.

Ready? Now pay attention….

OK Pay Attention Legal vs Illegal - Liberals Take Notes - UNIR1 News

You'll see more states passing these types of laws.

Senate approves controversial religious freedom bill Fox 59

The state Senate passed a controversial religious freedom bill Tuesday that could potentially allow Indiana businesses to refuse service to newly married same-sex couples. This bill passed on with Republican support, 40-10, and now heads to the House of Representatives.

“If you were to ask the question, what is the single most important pillar of our democracy, chances are the answer to that question is going to be freedom of religion,” said State Senator Scott Schneider (R – Indianapolis) during Tuesday’s debate.

What a proud thing for Indiana.....just like this:

Indiana Klan - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Not today, cupcake. I can only stand so much annoyance in one week. Go shave

"Go shave"? Was that supposed to make sense?

 

[mdk]

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The deflections continue.

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I agree, immigration law and it's enforcement have nothing to do with this topic.

 

[JoeB131]

Ignorance is bliss, with the liberal media we have no wonder you don't hear of these things. Doing nothing IS allowing.

Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol, and Dogs

Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol and Dogs - ABC News

Yeah, I had forgotten about that story.

Trying to think back about the outrage from the PC Police here.

Gosh, can't come up with any examples.

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So from the story you guys quoted-

But, under the new proposal, drivers who decline to provide service would face a 30-day suspension of their license. Second offenders would have their licenses revoked.

so they've told these Muslims, despite your religion, you have to take the drunk with his "Service Dog" which is just his regular dog with a sweater that says "Service dog".

Which is reasonably fair.

Just like it's reasonably fair to require florist and bakers to service gay weddings.

Obama Inc. Sues Trucking Company for Firing Muslim Drivers Who Refused to Deliver Alcohol

I'd like to see an account of this case that doesn't come from nutter sites, thanks.

 

[Freewill]

From the article: Stutzman is the Washington florist who has been sued for living out her Christian beliefs. In 2013, a long-time friend and customer came to her flower shop and asked her to provide flowers for his gay wedding. Stutzman had known this man and had done business with him for about nine years. Nevertheless, she told him that she could not participate in his wedding "because of my relationship with Jesus."

So what this is about is not that she denied gays accommodation only that her religious beliefs conflict with the beliefs of the gay men. She is refusing to particiapte in what anyone would call their religious ceremony. An now she is being forced to or is out of business. Sad what America is becoming, good job libs.

 

[bodecea]

From the article: Stutzman is the Washington florist who has been sued for living out her Christian beliefs. In 2013, a long-time friend and customer came to her flower shop and asked her to provide flowers for his gay wedding. Stutzman had known this man and had done business with him for about nine years. Nevertheless, she told him that she could not participate in his wedding "because of my relationship with Jesus."

So what this is about is not that she denied gays accommodation only that her religious beliefs conflict with the beliefs of the gay men. She is refusing to particiapte in what anyone would call their religious ceremony. An now she is being forced to or is out of business. Sad what America is becoming, good job libs.

Change the law. It's been on the books for years and protects Christians from the same rejection....do you think you would complain about it then?

 

[Flash]

I want to be able to discriminate against whoever I want to. That should be my personal freedom and I don't need to be told by what the government what to do. I don't need or want the government telling me what to do. It is none of their business. The government needs to be concerned with providing for defense, police, courts and a few other community necessities and stay out of the business of telling me how to run my personal life or taking my money and giving it to somebody else.

We have let the government infringe upon our personal liberties and we are all more oppressed because of it. Libtards are simply too stupid understand that concept.

 

[Freewill]

Ignorance is bliss, with the liberal media we have no wonder you don't hear of these things. Doing nothing IS allowing.

Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol, and Dogs

Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol and Dogs - ABC News

Yeah, I had forgotten about that story.

Trying to think back about the outrage from the PC Police here.

Gosh, can't come up with any examples.

.

So from the story you guys quoted-

But, under the new proposal, drivers who decline to provide service would face a 30-day suspension of their license. Second offenders would have their licenses revoked.

so they've told these Muslims, despite your religion, you have to take the drunk with his "Service Dog" which is just his regular dog with a sweater that says "Service dog".

Which is reasonably fair.

Just like it's reasonably fair to require florist and bakers to service gay weddings.

Obama Inc. Sues Trucking Company for Firing Muslim Drivers Who Refused to Deliver Alcohol

I'd like to see an account of this case that doesn't come from nutter sites, thanks.

Here, let me provide you with a link to something you apparently know little about:

Google

Here is a real "nutter" site with the story:

EEOC Sues Star Transport, Inc. for Religious Discrimination

We all know you are smart enough to use google for yourself. But we also know that is not why you don't. You ask me to do it implying that either I won't, and if i don't then it proves that the story is not true, or your claim is that the source is not reliable unless I prove otherwise. Both complete BS but that is really what the left is all about these days.

 

[Nosmo King]

So far as arraigning the daffodils, yes indeed, her religious beliefs are irrelevant. Her arraignments are not icons. A flower arraignment betrays no religious dogma in and of itself.

A flawed rationale. First of all, it isn't the "arraignment" of the daffodils. It's the fact she is being made to sell them to a gay couple, which violates her religious beliefs.

Let's imagine there is a florist working at her bench and all she sees are order slips and cans of flowers in a cooler. One of the orders is for center pieces for the Harrison wedding. She has no clue who the Harrison's are. She makes up fourteen center pieces and rings for the delivery man to take them to the venue.

Let's imagine that speculation is a logical fallacy. If some random person was selling those flowers with no contact with the gay couple whatsoever, perhaps, but in this case, she had been selling flowers to these two for 9 years, assuming they were heterosexuals.

This florist has her own interpretation of Scripture which she believes forbids her from associating with sinners. But she just finished fourteen center pieces for the Harrison wedding.

Fourteen? Then why is she being sued? Earth to you! What is this couple complaining about then?

You do realize, of course, when I wrote "Let's imagine there's a florist" I was using a hypothetical example, right?

 

[Nosmo King]

I want to be able to discriminate against whoever I want to. That should be my personal freedom and I don't need to be told by what the government what to do. I don't need or want the government telling me what to do. It is none of their business. The government needs to be concerned with providing for defense, police, courts and a few other community necessities and stay out of the business of telling me how to run my personal life or taking my money and giving it to somebody else.

We have let the government infringe upon our personal liberties and we are all more oppressed because of it. Libtards are simply too stupid understand that concept.

The government also protects justice. And the notion of government infringement on our rights extends to marriage equaity and equal access to the marketplace, which is open to the public. Be a bigot on your own time. During business hours, unless you are running a private concern, you must be open to the public.

 

[Freewill]

From the article: Stutzman is the Washington florist who has been sued for living out her Christian beliefs. In 2013, a long-time friend and customer came to her flower shop and asked her to provide flowers for his gay wedding. Stutzman had known this man and had done business with him for about nine years. Nevertheless, she told him that she could not participate in his wedding "because of my relationship with Jesus."

So what this is about is not that she denied gays accommodation only that her religious beliefs conflict with the beliefs of the gay men. She is refusing to particiapte in what anyone would call their religious ceremony. An now she is being forced to or is out of business. Sad what America is becoming, good job libs.

Change the law. It's been on the books for years and protects Christians from the same rejection....do you think you would complain about it then?

Equating sodomy with religous belief, is that really where we are heading?

 

[Freewill]

Since bill can't use google here is a connection to Washington's states Public Accommodation law.

Here from the site: http://www.hum.wa.gov/documents/Brochures/PA091407B.pdf

UNDER RCW 49.60.215, A PLACE OF PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION CANNOT: • Refuse or withold entrance; • Charge a different rate or offer different terms and conditions of service; • Prohibit entrance of a service animal. • Make any inquiry in connection with prospective employment that is discriminatory

Since she has historically done business with gays, has hired gays and has not refused service to them, what in this law has she violated?

I guess it could be argued if she provided flowers to any marriage but refused this one that is considered different terms and conditions of service. Which means that any practice, any ceremony, and any belief can not be discriminated against. So arguing from the absurd, if a satanic ritual were to be performed and they wanted it decorated with black roses a florist would have zero right to refuse service.

This is just another BS law suit used to force one religious belief upon another,

 

[Freewill]

From the article: Stutzman is the Washington florist who has been sued for living out her Christian beliefs. In 2013, a long-time friend and customer came to her flower shop and asked her to provide flowers for his gay wedding. Stutzman had known this man and had done business with him for about nine years. Nevertheless, she told him that she could not participate in his wedding "because of my relationship with Jesus."

So what this is about is not that she denied gays accommodation only that her religious beliefs conflict with the beliefs of the gay men. She is refusing to particiapte in what anyone would call their religious ceremony. An now she is being forced to or is out of business. Sad what America is becoming, good job libs.

Change the law. It's been on the books for years and protects Christians from the same rejection....do you think you would complain about it then?

Yeah right this law was all about Christians, wow. The law doesn't need changed, in my opinion she is not in violation of the law.

 

[PratchettFan]

As the bible depicts, the persecution of Christians is picking up steam and the temple will soon be built

If this isn't embedded with succession fuel, then nothing is. Interesting the modern Scarlet Letter 'G' for gay, represents victory when in actuality, we all feel sorry for their parents.

It's time for those of us raised in the Bible Belt to rise.

Muslim US government wants to attack Christians?

"Every knee will bow, every tongue will confess" -

-Geaux
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(CNN)If you have not been following the case of Barronelle Stutzman, you should be.

Stutzman is the Washington florist who has been sued for living out her Christian beliefs. In 2013, a long-time friend and customer came to her flower shop and asked her to provide flowers for his gay wedding. Stutzman had known this man and had done business with him for about nine years. Nevertheless, she told him that she could not participate in his wedding "because of my relationship with Jesus."

The man's partner subsequently spread the word via social media. As a result, the attorney general of Washington State sued Stutzman for violating the state's anti-discrimination law. The two men also sued her in their personal capacity and were represented by the ACLU. As a result of these lawsuits, Stutzman stands to lose her business, her home, and her personal savings. Her whole life hangs in the balance with this case.

Yesterday, a Washington State judge issued a summary judgment that went against her. Stutzman's legal team put out this statement explaining what this means:

A state judge ruled Wednesday that Washington floral artist and grandmother Barronelle Stutzman must provide full support for wedding ceremonies that are contrary to her faith.

A florist loses religious freedom and much more - CNN.com

Do you think the feds should step in?

Nope

Well then. That's the state law. If she doesn't like the law, she can move to another state.

Or ignore it like immigration, the speed limit, tearing labels off mattresses .....

-Geaux

Ignoring it, like ignoring the speed limit, only works until you get caught. She got caught.

If you want to use the Constitution as a basis for an argument, then you automatically bring in the feds. If you want to keep the feds out, then she either obeys the laws of the state, accepts the penalties which come from not obeying the laws, or move.

I am curious, how far should a business owner be able to go in discrimination?

 

[PratchettFan]

Ignorance is bliss, with the liberal media we have no wonder you don't hear of these things. Doing nothing IS allowing.

Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol, and Dogs

Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol and Dogs - ABC News

Yeah, I had forgotten about that story.

Trying to think back about the outrage from the PC Police here.

Gosh, can't come up with any examples.

.

So from the story you guys quoted-

But, under the new proposal, drivers who decline to provide service would face a 30-day suspension of their license. Second offenders would have their licenses revoked.

so they've told these Muslims, despite your religion, you have to take the drunk with his "Service Dog" which is just his regular dog with a sweater that says "Service dog".

Which is reasonably fair.

Just like it's reasonably fair to require florist and bakers to service gay weddings.

Obama Inc. Sues Trucking Company for Firing Muslim Drivers Who Refused to Deliver Alcohol

You understand that these suits are not filed by the president but by attorneys representing the fired workers, don't you?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I guess we need to take a look at all those +55 years of age or older housing/communities

So, I don't have to sell you a house in my development if you're not over 55.

-Geaux

How is that based on religion?

Isn't that what you're saying? That this business should be able to ignore the First Amendment and discriminate, based on their religion?

How is immigration a religion-based issue?

In your OP, Geaux4it you wrote "If this isn't embedded with succession fuel, then nothing is."

What does that mean?

 

[PratchettFan]

From the article: Stutzman is the Washington florist who has been sued for living out her Christian beliefs. In 2013, a long-time friend and customer came to her flower shop and asked her to provide flowers for his gay wedding. Stutzman had known this man and had done business with him for about nine years. Nevertheless, she told him that she could not participate in his wedding "because of my relationship with Jesus."

So what this is about is not that she denied gays accommodation only that her religious beliefs conflict with the beliefs of the gay men. She is refusing to particiapte in what anyone would call their religious ceremony. An now she is being forced to or is out of business. Sad what America is becoming, good job libs.

Change the law. It's been on the books for years and protects Christians from the same rejection....do you think you would complain about it then?

Yeah right this law was all about Christians, wow. The law doesn't need changed, in my opinion she is not in violation of the law.

It would appear the state courts disagree with you.

 

[Freewill]

Ignorance is bliss, with the liberal media we have no wonder you don't hear of these things. Doing nothing IS allowing.

Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol, and Dogs

Muslim Cab Drivers Refuse to Transport Alcohol and Dogs - ABC News

Yeah, I had forgotten about that story.

Trying to think back about the outrage from the PC Police here.

Gosh, can't come up with any examples.

.

So from the story you guys quoted-

But, under the new proposal, drivers who decline to provide service would face a 30-day suspension of their license. Second offenders would have their licenses revoked.

so they've told these Muslims, despite your religion, you have to take the drunk with his "Service Dog" which is just his regular dog with a sweater that says "Service dog".

Which is reasonably fair.

Just like it's reasonably fair to require florist and bakers to service gay weddings.

Obama Inc. Sues Trucking Company for Firing Muslim Drivers Who Refused to Deliver Alcohol

You understand that these suits are not filed by the president but by attorneys representing the fired workers, don't you?

I do believe he is still POTUS and thus in charge.

 

[Freewill]

From the article: Stutzman is the Washington florist who has been sued for living out her Christian beliefs. In 2013, a long-time friend and customer came to her flower shop and asked her to provide flowers for his gay wedding. Stutzman had known this man and had done business with him for about nine years. Nevertheless, she told him that she could not participate in his wedding "because of my relationship with Jesus."

So what this is about is not that she denied gays accommodation only that her religious beliefs conflict with the beliefs of the gay men. She is refusing to particiapte in what anyone would call their religious ceremony. An now she is being forced to or is out of business. Sad what America is becoming, good job libs.

Change the law. It's been on the books for years and protects Christians from the same rejection....do you think you would complain about it then?

Yeah right this law was all about Christians, wow. The law doesn't need changed, in my opinion she is not in violation of the law.

It would appear the state courts disagree with you.

It does appear that way that ONE court disagrees.