Fixing Tax Loopholes, 51% of Americans Pay NO Incomes Taxes

[saveliberty]

That's because you're immune to facts and logic. What is the moral difference between taxation and stealing?

Since you need to ask; the moral difference is the same as the moral difference between paying for something you buy at a store and shoplifting it. Or paying for a meal at a restaurant and slipping out the door without paying the check.

In the example of taxes, the price one pays for living in America is based on each individual's share of America's wealth resources. If one's share is greater than another's, that one's tax burden will be proportionally greater.

If you cannot understand the difference between settling an obligation and stealing you are in need of re-education.

If the burden of the tax was shared equally by those who received a benefit from tha tax you would have an accurate statement. Since a majority can enforce taxation on a minority, it becomes stealing by conversion.

 

[edthecynic]

Now, everyone with half a brain ...

In fact his administration has spent more that all other presidential administrations combined.

Now, everyone with half a brain knows that is a GOP scripted lie.
But YOU don't!

 

[MikeK]

That's because you're immune to facts and logic. What is the moral difference between taxation and stealing?

Since you need to ask; the moral difference is the same as the moral difference between paying for something you buy at a store and shoplifting it. Or paying for a meal at a restaurant and slipping out the door without paying the check.

In the example of taxes, the price one pays for living in America is based on each individual's share of America's wealth resources. If one's share is greater than another's, that one's tax burden will be proportionally greater.

If you cannot understand the difference between settling an obligation and stealing you are in need of re-education.

If the burden of the tax was shared equally by those who received a benefit from tha tax you would have an accurate statement.

If the burden of the rich taxpayer were equal to (i.e., same as) that of the ordinary taxpayer, no attention would be paid to disparity in the respective shares of benefit of citizenship. Earning a living is an ordinary benefit of citizenship. So one who merely earns a living should contribute a level of tax in proportion to the share of the Nation's wealth resources which he/she is able to earn. And one who manages to acquire a share of the Nation's wealth resources in excess of what might be considered a living wage should be taxed in proportion to his/her share.

Since a majority can enforce taxation on a minority, it becomes stealing by conversion.

A majority can also impose (enforce) rules of conduct on a minority. The reason for the rules is the measure by which said imposition should be regarded as either tyranny or expedient civil administration.

The "laying" of taxes via their representative Congress is a constitutional right of the People (the People being the majority) and is an ordinary practice in all developed nations. It is not "stealing" unless one chooses to think of it as such. And one is equally free to think of night as being day if one chooses to do so.

 

[Care4all]

think of it as a business, that makes no profit after taking their business deductions, they pay no taxes...because they did NOT make a profit....by law, the gvt can not tax them....

same with people who pay no income tax....after their expenses are deducted, they don't make a profit....without a profit, no taxes are due.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The political Left does not see it this way. The Left sees taxation as means to get even with or punish those who those on the Left feel have enough or too have too much.

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(Re-post)

Sexual deviants have difficulty understanding that others do not share their perverse inclinations. It's called subliminal projection.

The notion that those who are critical of excessive wealth are motivated by hate and envy, which is a common belief among water-carriers for the rich, is another example of projection -- in this case from an innately selfish and gluttonous nature.

They can't help it and their thinking cannot easily be altered. Best to ignore it.

Hey, if you want to hide behind that lame assed psycho babble, it's your choice.
That facts state otherwise.
It is your side that looks upon wealth ,success achievement, single family home ownership, private property rights and neighborhood schools with utter disdain.
To you people, anything which people can look upon as accomplishment is evil.
Once again, liberal compassion always begins and ends in someone else's bank account.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Now, everyone with half a brain ...

In fact his administration has spent more that all other presidential administrations combined.

Now, everyone with half a brain knows that is a GOP scripted lie.
But YOU don't!

Laughing at the facts does not make them incredible.
Try again.

 

[edthecynic]

The political Left does not see it this way. The Left sees taxation as means to get even with or punish those who those on the Left feel have enough or too have too much.

[...]

(Re-post)

Sexual deviants have difficulty understanding that others do not share their perverse inclinations. It's called subliminal projection.

The notion that those who are critical of excessive wealth are motivated by hate and envy, which is a common belief among water-carriers for the rich, is another example of projection -- in this case from an innately selfish and gluttonous nature.

They can't help it and their thinking cannot easily be altered. Best to ignore it.

Hey, if you want to hide behind that lame assed psycho babble, it's your choice.
That facts state otherwise.
It is your side that looks upon wealth ,success achievement, single family home ownership, private property rights and neighborhood schools with utter disdain.
To you people, anything which people can look upon as accomplishment is evil.
Once again, liberal compassion always begins and ends in someone else's bank account.

You lazy CON$ervative slackers are just jealous of the more financially successful, higher achieving Libs and rather than work as hard as a Lib to achieve what Libs have achieved, you try to drag Libs down to your level.

Get a ******* job you lazy assed piece of shit!

 

[edthecynic]

Now, everyone with half a brain ...

In fact his administration has spent more that all other presidential administrations combined.

Now, everyone with half a brain knows that is a GOP scripted lie.
But YOU don't!

Laughing at the facts does not make them incredible.
Try again.

except YOU need a fact first!

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

A: Thanks to Pubs,

 

[MikeK]

The political Left does not see it this way. The Left sees taxation as means to get even with or punish those who those on the Left feel have enough or too have too much.

[...]

(Re-post)

Sexual deviants have difficulty understanding that others do not share their perverse inclinations. It's called subliminal projection.

The notion that those who are critical of excessive wealth are motivated by hate and envy, which is a common belief among water-carriers for the rich, is another example of projection -- in this case from an innately selfish and gluttonous nature.

They can't help it and their thinking cannot easily be altered. Best to ignore it.

Hey, if you want to hide behind that lame assed psycho babble, it's your choice.
That facts state otherwise.
It is your side that looks upon wealth ,success achievement, single family home ownership, private property rights and neighborhood schools with utter disdain.
To you people, anything which people can look upon as accomplishment is evil.
Once again, liberal compassion always begins and ends in someone else's bank account.

You denounce my observation as "psychobabble" yet you seem certain in your own observation that "my side," which comprises millions of individuals, looks upon success, achievement, single family home ownership, etc., with disdain. Is there some "babble" factor that defines your remarkable insight into their thoughts and opinions?

Success and achievement are relative concepts. I don't know what your ideas of success and achievement are but at age seventy-five I am rather satisfied with the total circumstances of my life with emphasis on my three well-married daughters, who were raised in a fine single family home, and the five grandchildren they've provided me with. Suffice it to say that overall I am quite content.

So the only explanation I can think of which would account for such jaundiced presumption on your part is expressed in the "psychobabble" you've referred to. What else would account for such self-assured slander if not projection from your own embittered orientation?

 

[Care4all]

we only get taxed on taxable income, the first 20k or so, of EVERY COUPLE'S earned income, is not taxable due to standard deductions and personal exemptions....

NO couple PAYS TAXES on their first 20 k, NOT EVEN BUFFET, NOT EVEN GATES, and not even you....

the 20k a year couple is getting NOTHING that the very wealthiest do not get, for their first 20k...they pay nothing in federal income tax on it, just as the middle and upper classes pay NOTHING in federal income tax on it.

CLEARLY many people on this board are absolutely CLUELESS on how federal income taxes are applied and work....

maybe you all have accountants that do your taxes and thus your cluelessness?

 

[Care4all]

me thinks it's odd that people are actually ENVIOUS of the poor....

 

[Ravi]

we only get taxed on taxable income, the first 20k or so, of EVERY COUPLE'S earned income, is not taxable due to standard deductions and personal exemptions....

NO couple PAYS TAXES on their first 20 k, NOT EVEN BUFFET, NOT EVEN GATES, and not even you....

the 20k a year couple is getting NOTHING that the very wealthiest do not get, for their first 20k...they pay nothing in federal income tax on it, just as the middle and upper classes pay NOTHING in federal income tax on it.

CLEARLY many people on this board are absolutely CLUELESS on how federal income taxes are applied and work....

maybe you all have accountants that do your taxes and thus your cluelessness?

I always wonder about that, too. I remember dcon actually admitted he didn't understand the progressive tax system and in fact thought you paid the highest rate possible on ALL of your income.

It simply isn't true.

 

[Article 15]

we only get taxed on taxable income, the first 20k or so, of EVERY COUPLE'S earned income, is not taxable due to standard deductions and personal exemptions....

NO couple PAYS TAXES on their first 20 k, NOT EVEN BUFFET, NOT EVEN GATES, and not even you....

the 20k a year couple is getting NOTHING that the very wealthiest do not get, for their first 20k...they pay nothing in federal income tax on it, just as the middle and upper classes pay NOTHING in federal income tax on it.

CLEARLY many people on this board are absolutely CLUELESS on how federal income taxes are applied and work....

maybe you all have accountants that do your taxes and thus your cluelessness?

I always wonder about that, too. I remember dcon actually admitted he didn't understand the progressive tax system and in fact thought you paid the highest rate possible on ALL of your income.

It simply isn't true.

Not only is it simply not true but it's AMAZINGLY ignorant not to know that ESPECIALLY when you come to messageboards to ***** about said progressive tax system.

 

[editec]

We are not going to solve this nations economic woes by maipulating the tax.

Our economic problems are much more systemic than merely that.

 

[dblack]

think of it as a business, that makes no profit after taking their business deductions, they pay no taxes...because they did NOT make a profit....by law, the gvt can not tax them....

same with people who pay no income tax....after their expenses are deducted, they don't make a profit....without a profit, no taxes are due.

But of course the issue is that there are so many deductions that have nothing to do with determining how much profit we've made. These deductions, or worse yet credits, are the core of the problem and are essentially discriminatory in nature. They change taxation from a legitimate effort to fund government to an underhanded extension of congressional power. This power is used by the state to punish its enemies and reward its friends.

 

[Care4all]

think of it as a business, that makes no profit after taking their business deductions, they pay no taxes...because they did NOT make a profit....by law, the gvt can not tax them....

same with people who pay no income tax....after their expenses are deducted, they don't make a profit....without a profit, no taxes are due.

But of course the issue is that there are so many deductions that have nothing to do with determining how much profit we've made. These deductions, or worse yet credits, are the core of the problem and are essentially discriminatory in nature. They change taxation from a legitimate effort to fund government to an underhanded extension of congressional power. This power is used by the state to punish its enemies and reward its friends.

yes, the middle class and the wealthy have many many many deductions that THEY can take to manipulate the tax system's fairness, whereas the poorest DO NOT have that ability......actually 60% of American taxpayers only utilize the ''short form'' when filing their taxes, so they get no ''special deductions'' to bring their taxable income down like the middle class and wealthy.

But the poorest that work for a living and with children, can get an EIC credit UP TO the amount of SS taxes they pay.

the middle and rich get lots of tax deductions via the long form, the poorest with children, get an EIC credit....

6 or 1/2 half dozen.

 

[dblack]

yes, the middle class and the wealthy have many many many deductions that THEY can take to manipulate the tax system's fairness, whereas the poorest DO NOT have that ability......actually 60% of American taxpayers only utilize the ''short form'' when filing their taxes, so they get no ''special deductions'' to bring their taxable income down like the middle class and wealthy.

But the poorest that work for a living and with children, can get an EIC credit UP TO the amount of SS taxes they pay.

the middle and rich get lots of tax deductions via the long form, the poorest with children, get an EIC credit....

6 or 1/2 half dozen.

The point isn't who gets 6, or who gets a half dozen - the point is that our tax code isn't a straightforward effort to raise funds, it's a political game that congress uses to manipulate us. That's why we need to end this game entirely. Get rid of all deductions (incentives, credits, etc...) that don't directly relate to honestly assessing profit or income, and apply taxation equally on everyone. Exempt the first 20k on everyone and apply a sane tax rate on the remainder.

 

[Care4all]

yes, the middle class and the wealthy have many many many deductions that THEY can take to manipulate the tax system's fairness, whereas the poorest DO NOT have that ability......actually 60% of American taxpayers only utilize the ''short form'' when filing their taxes, so they get no ''special deductions'' to bring their taxable income down like the middle class and wealthy.

But the poorest that work for a living and with children, can get an EIC credit UP TO the amount of SS taxes they pay.

the middle and rich get lots of tax deductions via the long form, the poorest with children, get an EIC credit....

6 or 1/2 half dozen.

The point isn't who gets 6, or who gets a half dozen - the point is that our tax code isn't a straightforward effort to raise funds, it's a political game that congress uses to manipulate us. That's why we need to end this game entirely. Get rid of all deductions (incentives, credits, etc...) that don't directly relate to honestly assessing profit or income, and apply taxation equally on everyone. Exempt the first 20k on everyone and apply a sane tax rate on the remainder.

i could go for that kind of reform...as long as the first 20k is exempt for all....

 

[dblack]

i could go for that kind of reform...as long as the first 20k is exempt for all....

Consensus!! Let it be written, let it be so...


Anyway, to me, the real crime highlighted by the headline of this thread is that you'd expect that the 51% of the people not paying income taxes would be those with the lowest incomes, and that's just not the case. That's screwed up.