Fixing Tax Loopholes, 51% of Americans Pay NO Incomes Taxes

[saveliberty]

YES THEY DO.
OMG - don't you all hate the fact that people like this poster votes???
Every employer pays a BUNCH of employee taxes...what a...

My God, your reading compensation is terrible. The taxes on my salary come out of my salary, not out of my employer's coffers. That's not saying employers don't pay taxes on their employees (like unemployment taxes and employer share of FICA).

What the **** is "reading compensation" exactly?

A new entitlement program Polk started. Where do we get the paperwork to file Polk?

 

[Susan45]

How is it class warfare AGAINST the poor, if your busy taking what belongs to the rich and giving it to the poor? Why are you content supporting a cycle of poverty, lack of education and dependence on a set of rules you set up for them? It is your system that oppresses them, not free enterprise.

What an absolute crock of shit. Do you actually think before you write something?

These numbers are from the CBO which I'm sure that someone on the right will say is biased.

The rich have been getting more and more rich while the income for the rest of us has been going down. This is no secret you know.

 

[saveliberty]

How is it class warfare AGAINST the poor, if your busy taking what belongs to the rich and giving it to the poor? Why are you content supporting a cycle of poverty, lack of education and dependence on a set of rules you set up for them? It is your system that oppresses them, not free enterprise.

What an absolute crock of shit. Do you actually think before you write something?

These numbers are from the CBO which I'm sure that someone on the right will say is biased.

The rich have been getting more and more rich while the income for the rest of us has been going down. This is no secret you know.

So what? The government helped us "invest" in our homes and the stock market. Then they got both totally screwed up and we lost our money, while the rich held on to theirs because they had different investments. Your little chart does nothing to disprove a single word I wrote.

 

[Susan45]

How is it class warfare AGAINST the poor, if your busy taking what belongs to the rich and giving it to the poor? Why are you content supporting a cycle of poverty, lack of education and dependence on a set of rules you set up for them? It is your system that oppresses them, not free enterprise.

What an absolute crock of shit. Do you actually think before you write something?

These numbers are from the CBO which I'm sure that someone on the right will say is biased.

The rich have been getting more and more rich while the income for the rest of us has been going down. This is no secret you know.

So what? The government helped us "invest" in our homes and the stock market. Then they got both totally screwed up and we lost our money, while the rich held on to theirs because they had different investments. Your little chart does nothing to disprove a single word I wrote.

Oh for pete's sake, why don't you just admit that last post was a crock. Just who is taking anything from the rich? Isn't that what you said? "How is it class warfare AGAINST the poor, if your busy taking what belongs to the rich and giving it to the poor?" This is not true, it's just bullshit plain and simple. And you should be able to see that from the income distribution. The rich have been getting more and more rich and I contend it is because they have been taking from the poor. And before I see a ton if comments about how much I hate the rich, it is not true. I love our rich...you know the ones that have been working to make the country better.

 

[kaz]

Right. no corp tax. We've all seen over the last 2 yrs, how when they reap reap record profits, have record liquid cash assets, they are the job creators. You people are ******* stupid.

Stupid is not reading the conversation. Clearly you didn't. You are free to have that opinion, but if you actually put it in the context of the discussion it'd make the point a lot more relevant.

 

[hellofromwarsaw]

Nothing harder and thicker than ignorant dittohead strong and wrong numbskull....

 

[kaz]

Come on all you class warriors...which of these groups should we be going after?

We shouldn't be going after anyone. The problem is your choices are we go after the rich and if we don't go after the rich we are going after the poor. Then you talk about others engaging in class warfare. The class warfare's you, tootsie.

BTW, charity with guns isn't charity. Neither is giving someone else's money. You fail twice.

 

[Big Fitz]

I can see it's really difficult to give up your class warfare battle against the poor. But if you really want to engage in a conversation you really shouldn't cherry pick one tiny bit out of a whole paper. That sentence was between two other sentences.

And then there is this.

I love it. Everyone's a class warrior to a class warrior. They can't see outside their own paradigm which only exists between their ears. It's nothing more than an update of the view of the world as a giant caste system full of envy and hate for anyone who aquires on merit and everything that makes people economically mobile and free.

Wow! you shouldn't be so hysterical about it.

Well, if you weren't so funny, I wouldn't laugh so hard at you and your sneaky little 'oh I'm giving impartial data here, see? All sweet and innocent and above board.' routine so hard. It is hysterical you believed you'd get away with it.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Also...the ONLY people in my opinion who should pay zero income tax is:

1) Students, including high school students IF they have a college savings plan.
2) Active military.

That's it.

So if you're income is below the poverty line or you have no income and you can't feed your kids..you should be liable to taxes?

If a spending bill needs to be proposed to help folks who're down on their luck to feed themselves and their families, draft a spending bill to help folks.

Taxes should be for collecting revenue and spending should be for spending.

That being said, in the humble opinion of this average Joe, a tax code where EVERYONE, no matter their income bracket, earns their first $20,000 free of any income tax obligation would also be 'fair'.

As long as the rules for taxing are ALWAYS applied the same to EVERYONE, the code is fair,

 

[saveliberty]

What an absolute crock of shit. Do you actually think before you write something?

These numbers are from the CBO which I'm sure that someone on the right will say is biased.

The rich have been getting more and more rich while the income for the rest of us has been going down. This is no secret you know.

So what? The government helped us "invest" in our homes and the stock market. Then they got both totally screwed up and we lost our money, while the rich held on to theirs because they had different investments. Your little chart does nothing to disprove a single word I wrote.

Oh for pete's sake, why don't you just admit that last post was a crock. Just who is taking anything from the rich? Isn't that what you said? "How is it class warfare AGAINST the poor, if your busy taking what belongs to the rich and giving it to the poor?" This is not true, it's just bullshit plain and simple. And you should be able to see that from the income distribution. The rich have been getting more and more rich and I contend it is because they have been taking from the poor. And before I see a ton if comments about how much I hate the rich, it is not true. I love our rich...you know the ones that have been working to make the country better.

Your so wrapped in your socialist dogma, that phrases like income distribution means you have a say in how someone chooses to use their own money. The rich have not been taking money from the poor. Your chart does not show that conclusion. How much poorer are the poor than 10 years ago? Your chart says nothing about that. It shows more individually poor people period. Your poor when you have little money. The housing bubble took money from people, not the rich. Credit card companies sucked people dry, not the rich. Your just a hate driven person with no understanding of the subject.

 

[dblack]

If a spending bill needs to be proposed to help folks who're down on their luck to feed themselves and their families, draft a spending bill to help folks.

Taxes should be for collecting revenue and spending should be for spending.

That being said, in the humble opinion of this average Joe, a tax code where EVERYONE, no matter their income bracket, earns their first $20,000 free of any income tax obligation would also be 'fair'.

As long as the rules for taxing are ALWAYS applied the same to EVERYONE, the code is fair,

Couldn't agree more. Well said.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Also...the ONLY people in my opinion who should pay zero income tax is:

1) Students, including high school students IF they have a college savings plan.
2) Active military.

That's it.

So if you're income is below the poverty line or you have no income and you can't feed your kids..you should be liable to taxes?

If you earn income in the United States yes, you should pay Federal Income Taxes. If you have no income then NO you would be NOT liable to pay INCOME tax,, but neither should you receive a rebate on the ZERO you pay.

Continued tweaking of the current code is NOT the answer.

The time is now for ground-up reformation of the tax code with an emphasis on simplicity.

 

[saveliberty]

Flat tax collected by your employer cuts out a lot of fraud.

 

[dblack]

Flat tax collected by your employer cuts out a lot of fraud.

I'd like to keep my employer out of it. Apart from documenting the money I'm paid, my dealings with the government should be none of their business. 'Withholding' is one of the worst aspects of the current income tax code.

 

[Big Fitz]

How is it class warfare AGAINST the poor, if your busy taking what belongs to the rich and giving it to the poor? Why are you content supporting a cycle of poverty, lack of education and dependence on a set of rules you set up for them? It is your system that oppresses them, not free enterprise.

What an absolute crock of shit. Do you actually think before you write something?

These numbers are from the CBO which I'm sure that someone on the right will say is biased.

The rich have been getting more and more rich while the income for the rest of us has been going down. This is no secret you know.

I wouldn't call the CBO any more biased tan any other government institution. In fact they're usually one of the better ones because they get looked at so hard.

That said, the income inequality argument is a red herring. Everyone who earns should pay their fair share. The problem is, you don't want fair shares. You want PUNITIVE shares on those who do achieve. But the wealthy you target are the wealthy that employ you most of the time. Small businesses and independent contractors, family farms and 'unsavory industries'. You allow the market to be flooded with near slave labor in the forms of illegal immigrants that get paid cheaper than the market would if they were legal. Very useful idiots you are, for then you go out and complain that the wages of the poor are being suppressed, but you never consider for one second you are actually promulgating causes to make sure that's the case? Noooooo...You're too busy chanting 'Death to the Plutocrats" to notice you're the one's slitting the poor's throat.

If you robbed the rich in this nation of every dime they had that is known about, a la Michael Moore, you still wouldn't pay for your messiah's budget from last year. And of course in the process the economy would be devestated as there would be no more businesses or investment left to pay employees... yadda yadda yadda... you'd have achieved pyrrhic victory at the cost of everyone's lives. Good job.

Oh and by the bye... there IS no 'Income Distribution', they are called Income EARNINGS. You know? Someone works, they earn? Someone invests, they earn? So what does Distribution mean? that there is an ideal distribution that must be met as set forth by GOVERNMENT so everyone has a 'fair' slice of the pie. Back we go to "Mommy Mommy" envy ethics without monitoring how big a slice of pie Mommy is eating, leaving everyone else fighting for scraps. But if you get to BE Mommy... there... THERE is the scheme concocted in most socialist's brains. Then none of the other kids could ever watch over how much pie you greedily would suck down and you could punish any child that complains at what a greedy ***** mommy is.

And how nice of you to hold moral judgment over what KIND of Rich people should be allowed. You know.. the ones who agree with your lack of morality? God forbid someone out there should disagree with you and your 'ethics'.

What're you going to do when there is no pie left to share after Mommy eats it all?

 

[saveliberty]

Flat tax collected by your employer cuts out a lot of fraud.

I'd like to keep my employer out of it. Apart from documenting the money I'm paid, my dealings with the government should be none of their business. 'Withholding' is one of the worst aspects of the current income tax code.

I like the painless savings aspect of payroll deduction.

 

[AVG-JOE]

So if you're income is below the poverty line or you have no income and you can't feed your kids..you should be liable to taxes?

If you earn income in the United States yes, you should pay Federal Income Taxes. If you have no income then NO you would be NOT liable to pay INCOME tax,, but neither should you receive a rebate on the ZERO you pay.

No working person should have trouble feeding their kids and having decent housing.

This is the richest nation in the world. There is absolutely no excuse for poverty of any kind.

That's a noble statement and the concept is true enough. Reality however, dictates that a human resource with skills is worth more than one without. There is also the fact that entry level work needs to be available.

That being said, the obligation We, The People have to our fellow citizens is the offer to educate and teach marketable skills.

That being said, the stupid and the broken need a safety net.

That being said, laziness is NOT a disability, and therefore, at least statistically, we SHOULD have a small homeless population.

 

[Big Fitz]

Nothing harder and thicker than ignorant dittohead strong and wrong numbskull....

Nothing more evil than a do-gooder socialist government bureaucrat.

but do go on...

 

[Big Fitz]

Flat tax collected by your employer cuts out a lot of fraud.

I'd like to keep my employer out of it. Apart from documenting the money I'm paid, my dealings with the government should be none of their business. 'Withholding' is one of the worst aspects of the current income tax code.

I like the painless savings aspect of payroll deduction.

One of Milton Friedman's self admitted worst sins. It made socialism palatable because taxation became painless.

 

[Big Fitz]

If you earn income in the United States yes, you should pay Federal Income Taxes. If you have no income then NO you would be NOT liable to pay INCOME tax,, but neither should you receive a rebate on the ZERO you pay.

No working person should have trouble feeding their kids and having decent housing.

This is the richest nation in the world. There is absolutely no excuse for poverty of any kind.

That's a noble statement and the concept is true enough. Reality however, dictates that a human resource with skills is worth more than one without. There is also the fact that entry level work needs to be available.

That being said, the obligation We, The People have to our fellow citizens is the offer to educate and teach marketable skills.

That being said, the stupid and the broken need a safety net.

That being said, laziness is NOT a disability, and therefore, at least statistically, we SHOULD have a small homeless population.

That being said, laziness is NOT a disability, and therefore, at least statistically, we SHOULD have a small homeless population.

A safety net for the helpless and those in true need. Not a safety hammock for the indigent and shiftless cheats.