NoNukes
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I live in a safe place where people are not allowed to carry guns. Most of the police do not carry guns.
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Ray From Cleveland
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No, it's the exact same thing. People taking precautions against potential crime or harm. That's why some folks carry guns, for protection against possible crime or physical harm. Would we be better off if only the criminals had the guns? Because there is no possible way to stop that.
NoNukes
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I live in a place where most of the police do not even carry guns and it works just fine.
BlackSand
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I live in a safe place too ... There are firearms everywhere, and sheriff's deputies shoot clay pigeons in my front yard ...
or use the berm along the fencerow in the side yard to practice on occasions.
You would have a greater chance of hurting yourself with the chainsaw in the shop ...
Or running the Razor into a tree driving too fast.
Of course I might be remiss if I didn't include the fact you could drown yourself diving in the swimming pool ...
There aren't any lifeguards on duty.
If you come over, we probably won't allow you to do much more than sit in chair wearing floaties ...
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I live in a safe place too ... There are firearms everywhere, and sheriff's deputies shoot clay pigeons in my front yard ...
or use the berm along the fencerow in the side yard to practice on occasions.
You would have a greater chance of hurting yourself with the chainsaw in the shop ...
Or running the Razor into a tree driving too fast.
Of course I might be remiss if I didn't include the fact you could drown yourself diving in the swimming pool ...
There aren't any lifeguards on duty.
If you come over, we probably won't allow you to do much more than sit in chair wearing floaties ...
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2aguy
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Tell that to Sweden....they didn't think they needed guns...now 3rd world drug gangs are settling their beefs with fully automatic military rifles and grenades....
2aguy
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In America, if you don't live in a democrat party controlled city....you are safe too...
As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas. These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
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A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.
In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
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In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/
Batcat
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Why do you think I live in fear?
I just follow the age old advise to be prepared. I also practice situational awareness which simply means not walking around with a cell phone glued to your ear.
For three decades I lived in one of the more crime ridden areas of Tampa Florida.
I had a drive-by shooting two houses from where I lived. The gang leader who lived there ended up in prison for murdering his girl friend. Clerks murdered in gas stations and restaurants in walking distance of my house. A girl raped in a hurricane ditch behind my house. I’ve seen cops with guns drawn on my street running after someone.
I personally chased four burglars away from my neighbor’s house which they had just robbed and were outside bagging up their loot. I ran across the street yelling like Geronimo. All four ran. That likely was one of the dumbest things I have ever done. One guy apparently tried to chamber a round into a .45 pistol he had just grabbed in the robbery. It stovepiped so he dropped the weapon and ran. The cops my wife called pointed that out to me and advised me not to play hero again. My jujitsu instructor agreed with the cops. The guy who owned the house held a party for me with some really good steaks. He felt I had done a good job.
My daughter actually stopped an intruder who was breaking into our house despite the fact an alarm was sounding. She pointed a .45 caliber revolver at him and he decided wisely to leave.
Many people advised me to move to a nicer area but since I don‘t leave in fear I ignored them.
Now that I am retired I have finally moved to a smaller and safer town but I still carry a concealed .38 snubnosed revolver in my pocket. Old habits die hard.
Always be prepared. If you are prepared you do not live in fear.
You owning the revolver has just increased the likelihood of you or a family member being shot dead, by your own gun or the bad guy's gun.
Old American gungoons die hard.
As a Canadian, I'm prepared to let the bad buy have the money and the big screen t.v. set, and stuff, and keep my life and my wife's life. Otherwise, I don't care a lick what you do with your guns, as long as you don't touch them in places that make them feel uncomfortable.
BlackSand
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Damn Dexter, it doesn't just increase the likelihood ... Owning a gun is the only way he could be shot by his own gun ... Pretending to be smart aren't you?
Next Question ... Nutter.
Next Question ... Nutter.
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Agreed! Maybe we're going to get along with each other after all!
BlackSand
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Certainly ... Until you start pushing for more Federal legislation that threatens our Constitutionally Protected Rights ... I don't have a problem with you.
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Certainly ... Until you start pushing for more Federal legislation that threatens our Constitutionally Protected Rights ... I don't have a problem with you.
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Batcat
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I don’t disagree with that. Obviously if you don’t own a gun the gun you don’t own can’t kill you.
If my situational awareness fails me and I find I am being robbed on the street but the bad guy looks like the only thing he wants is my wallet, I will give it to him. I can replace everything in the wallet but I can’t replace my life or health. Now if the bad guy appears to want to seriously injure me or kill me than I will do everything I can to prevent that from happening up to and including the use of lethal force.
The same applies to a robber in my house.
You stated:
I don't care a lick what you do with your guns, as long as you don't touch them in places that make them feel uncomfortable.
My firearms do not feel uncomfortable when I touch them.
EvilCat Breath
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Chicom Biden has opened the border. Texans will need their guns.
NoNukes
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NoNukes
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There will be criminal gangs everywhere. I have not heard of any extreme criminal activity threatening the country in Sweden.
NoNukes
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Then why carry firearms if it is safe. States with open carry laws are no safer.
2aguy
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You just don't pay attention...
https://www.rt.com/news/514335-sweden-violence-shootings-increase/
Sweden recorded a surge in gun-related violence last year, according to new figures released by the government amid accusations that authorities have turned a blind eye to rising crime in the country.
Interior Minister Mikael Damberg disclosed on Monday that 47 people were killed and 117 injured in 366 shooting incidents in 2020, marking a 10 percent increase in gun violence when compared to statistics from 2019.
Damberg noted that in nearly half of the shootings registered last year, someone was injured or killed. “We will neither accept nor get used to such high levels of violence,” he said.
The situation in Malmo, a city with a large migrant population that has struggled with gang violence, has improved, while crime is surging in Stockholm, the interior minister pointed out.
According to Damberg, the Swedish capital saw a staggering 79 percent increase in shootings in 2020.
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Most of the violent incidents occurred in 60 suburbs across the country identified by police as “vulnerable” areas. Damberg said that while 5.4 percent of Sweden’s population live in such neighborhoods, they account for more than half of the nation’s fatal shootings.
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In the report on Tuesday, the Swedish Television, citing statistics from the Swedish Police Authority, revealed that by November, there had been as many shootings in 2020 as during the whole of 2019.
Between January 1 and December 15, there were 349 confirmed shootings in Sweden, with 111 people wounded and 44 dead as a result, Xinhua news agency quoted the report as saying.
The death toll is close to the highest number on record so far -- 45 gun-related fatalities in 2018.
Most of the shootings, or 146, occurred in the capital Stockholm, where 23 deaths and 48 injuries were reported.
According to the police, most incidents were related to organised crime and conflicts between gang members.
Criminologist Joakim Sturup told Swedish Television that a major reason behind the worrying statistics is that automatic weapons are becoming more commonly used by gang members.
Sweden witnesses spike in shooting incidents
Shootings on the Rise in Sweden Despite Crackdown on Gang Violence, COVID-19 Epidemic
The number of shootings is increasing in Sweden, despite a national effort to curtail gang violence amid the ongoing coronavirus epidemic, SVT reported.
-------The police also noted that the raging coronavirus epidemic, contrary to some people's expectations, has not had a major impact on crime. This is likely due to the fact that Sweden, unlike most European nations, has consistently avoided lockdowns. Even the flow of drugs has not been disturbed to any great extent, the police said. However, there is still a risk that reduced access to drugs may increase violence.
Crime gangs in Sweden: What's behind the rise in the use of explosives?
The frequent use of explosives is a relatively recent phenomenon, and criminologists told The Local that the blasts can be seen as part of an overall rise in violence and growing recklessness in these criminal networks.
Amir Rostami, a police superintendent turned sociologist with a focus on criminal gangs, told The Local that so-called 'street gangs' are showing an increased tendency towards violence, and that this violence was becoming more severe when it took place.
"If previously they maybe fired one shot or shot someone in the legs, today it's more about AK47s, using more bullets, hand grenades and explosions that we didn't see before. I'd say that's the biggest shift we see – they're more reckless, they don't seem to care about the consequences," Rostami said.
Fatal shootings linked to criminal gangs have increased from around four per year in the early 1990s to over 40 in 2018. And while the blasts that have taken place in Sweden have caused no fatalities so far this year, they could be seen as a sign that the gangs are unafraid of causing damage and potentially harming people.
No, Sweden, hand grenade attacks aren’t an ‘image’ problem
In 2018 there were 162 bombings reported to police, and 93 reported in the first five months of this year, 30 more than during the same period in 2018. The level of attacks is “extreme in a country that is not at war,” Crime Commissioner Gunnar Appelgren told SVT last year.
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The use of hand grenades is a purely Swedish phenomenon too, with no other country in Europe reporting their use on such a level, a police manager told Swedish Radio in 2016, a year after attacks first spiked.
The grenades used almost exclusively originate in the former Yugoslavia, and are sold in Sweden for around $100 per piece. But while only three hand grenades were thrown in Kosovo between 2013 and 2014, more than 20 have been used in Sweden every year since 2015.
More broadly, homicide has risen in Sweden, with more than 300 shootings reported last year, causing 45 deaths. Though homicide rates had been in decline since 2002, they again began trending upwards in 2015, as did rapes and sexual assaults, which more than tripled in the last four years.
Of course, 2015 was also the year in which Sweden flung open its doors to more than 160,000 asylum seekers, more per capita than any other European country.
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Dagens Nyheter pointed out that 90 percent of shooting perpetrators in Sweden are either first or second generation immigrants.
Bomb attacks are now a normal part of Swedish life | The Spectator
Only days after the murder of Karolin Hakim, another young woman fell victim to the gang wars. Eighteen-year-old Ndella Jack was killed as someone fired an automatic weapon into her flat in western Stockholm, probably aiming for her husband, a well-known figure in Stockholm’s gang scene. Less than a week after the murder, associates of Ms Jack’s husband were lured to a middle-class suburb of Stockholm, where they had been promised information about her killer. Shots were fired, missing the targets and hitting instead a taxi driver and a resident in a nearby building. One victim, also a university student, lost his sight in an eye after it was hit by a bullet
Holding Sweden hostage: firearm-related violence
Statistics from the NBHW shows that the number of individuals in Sweden injured by a firearm has greatly increased since 2009. Between 2012 and 2017, the number of individuals that were injured by a firearm increased by 50% [13]. Figure 3 outlines the number of individuals being treated at Swedish hospitals for firearm-related injuries.
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International reports [1, 2], the Swedish police [12,19], and Swedish scholars [3–6,20,21] agree that the main cause for the increase in the rate of firearm-related violence is the presence of many gangs and criminal networks in Sweden.
Although gangs and criminal networks have always existed in Sweden, street gangs flourished in the late 1990s and are today considered to be one of the main security problems in the country [22–24]. Swedish gangs and foremost criminal networks have not only continued to increase, butthey have also become bolder and more violent as can be seen in their use of firearms and explosive devices as their modus operandi [3,6].
Another very important source of the increase of firearm-related violence in Sweden is the easy access to illegal firearms. Although Sweden was, for decades, shielded from firearm-related violence, mostly because of its restrictive gun laws, the easy access to illegal firearms, in addition to the many gangs and criminal networks in the country, is the main reason for the disturbing increase in the country’s rate of firearm-related violence. According to police reports, there has been a high inflow of illegal weapons into Sweden from the western Balkans [12].
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https://www.thelocal.se/20190704/in-depth-whats-behind-the-rise-in-gang-violence-across-sweden
Honour, debts, and prestige are serving as the pretext for an increasing number of deadly shootings that challenge the ideals of equality and social harmony on which modern Sweden was built.
Stats in Sweden show rise in violence after refugee surge
Murder rose 11 percent in 2016 when compared to 2015's numbers.
Men specifically are killed by gunfire at an increased rate too - up 28 percent in that same time period.
Leading up to 2016, more than a quarter million refugees applied for asylum in Sweden, most fleeing war zones in Muslim-majority countries.
Abstract
Recent reports state that firearm-related violence is increasing in Sweden. In order to understand the trend of firearm-related violence in Sweden with regard to rate, modus operandi (MO) and homicide typology, and for which injuries and causes of death firearm-related violence is responsible, a systematic literature review was conducted. After a thorough search in different databases, a total of 25 studies published in Swedish and English peer-review journals were identified and thus analyzed. The results show that even though knives/sharp weapons continue to be the most common MO in a violent crime in Sweden, firearm-related violence is significantly increasing in the country and foremost when discussing gang-related crimes. Moreover, firearm-related homicides and attempted homicides are increasing in the country. The studies also show that a firearm is much more lethal than a knife/sharp weapon, and that the head, thorax and the abdomen are the most lethal and serious anatomical locations in which to be hit. It is principally the three largest cities of Sweden which are affected by the many shootings in recent years. The police have severe difficulties in solving firearm-related crimes such as homicide and attempted homicide, which is why the confidence and trust for the Swedish judicial system may be decreasing among the citizens. Several reforms have taken place in Sweden in the last few years, but their effect on firearm-related violence remains to be studied.========
4/19/18
Sweden’s violent reality is undoing a peaceful self-image
Gang-related gun murders, now mainly a phenomenon among men with immigrant backgrounds in the country’s parallel societies, increased from 4 per year in the early 1990s to around 40 last year. Because of this, Sweden has gone from being a low-crime country to having homicide rates significantly above the Western European average. Social unrest, with car torchings, attacks on first responders and even riots, is a recurring phenomenon.
Shootings in the country have become so common that they don’t make top headlines anymore, unless they are spectacular or lead to fatalities.
News of attacks are quickly replaced with headlines about sports events and celebrities, as readers have become desensitized to the violence.
A generation ago, bombings against the police and riots were extremely rare events. Today, reading about such incidents is considered part of daily life.
3/9/18
https://www.economist.com/news/euro...edish-sense-security-why-are-young-men-sweden
IT WAS supposed to be a sneaky afternoon cigarette break.
Then a gunman in black appeared and shot 15-year-old Robin Sinisalo in the head.
His older brother Alejandro was shot four times. Robin died immediately on the doorstep of his home in north-west Stockholm. Alejandro was left in a wheelchair for life. Two years later, the boys’ mother, Carolina, says the police still have no leads.
Robin’s fate is increasingly common in Sweden. In 2011 only 17 people were killed by firearms. In 2017 the country had over 300 shootings, leaving 41 people dead and over 100 injured.
The violence mostly stems from street gangs running small-time drug operations in big cities such as Stockholm, the capital, Malmö and Gothenburg.
Gang members have even used hand grenades to attack police stations.
Between 2010 and 2015, people were killed by illegal firearms at the same rate as in southern Italy. Though Sweden is still a relatively peaceful place, this is worrying.
Acquiring a legal gun requires strict screening, but Kalashnikovs from the Yugoslav wars are readily available on the black market. To sweeten the deal, smugglers often throw in hand grenades (there were 43 grenade incidents in Sweden last year). The victims and perpetrators of gang violence are nearly always young men.
But shootings with illegal guns have been rising since the mid-2000s. Most gang members are indeed first- or second-generation immigrants—72% of them, according to one report, but they tend not to be new arrivals.
3/3/18
Sweden grenades increasing...
Hand Grenades and Gang Violence Rattle Sweden’s Middle Class
Weapons from a faraway, long-ago war are flowing into immigrant neighborhoods here, puncturing Swedes’ sense of confidence and security.
The country’s murder rate remains low, by American standards, and violent crime is stable or dropping in many places. But gang-related assaults and shootings are becoming more frequent, and the number of neighborhoods categorized by the police as “marred by crime, social unrest and insecurity” is rising. Crime and immigration are certain to be key issues in September’s general election, alongside the traditional debates over education and health care.
Continue reading the main story
Part of the reason is that Sweden’s gang violence, long contained within low-income suburbs, has begun to spill out. In large cities, hospitals report armed confrontations in emergency rooms, and school administrators say threats and weapons have become commonplace. Last week two men from Uppsala, both in their 20s, were arrested on charges of throwing grenades at the home of a bank employee who investigates fraud cases.
An earlier jolt came with the death of Mr. Zuniga, who on Jan. 7 picked up the grenade, which the police believe had been thrown by members of a local gang targeting a rival gang or police officers.
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Affixed to the wall in Mr. Appelgren’s office in Stockholm’s Police Headquarters is a chart showing the increase in the use of hand grenades. Until 2014 there were about a handful every year. In 2015, that number leapt: 45 grenades were seized by the police, and 10 others were detonated. The next year, 55 were seized and 35 detonated. A modest decrease occurred in 2017, when 39 were seized and 21 were detonated.
Mr. Appelgren has watched the trend apprehensively, calling it an arms race among gangs.
“I think we’re going to see, if we don’t stop it, more drive-by shootings with Kalashnikovs and hand grenades,” he said. “They throw rocks and bottles at our cars, and they trick us in an ambush. When will it happen that they ambush us with Kalashnikovs? It’s coming.”
https://www.thelocal.se/20170905/wh...ings-per-capita-than-norway-and-germany-malmo
Sweden has in recent years seen a sharp increase in the number of shootings per capita, with research suggesting that the Scandinavian country is statistically on par with southern Italy and parts of Ireland.
In 2016, some 250 shootings (random, fatal and non-fatal) were registered by police in Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö. In 2014, that number came to 200, indicating that Sweden is experiencing a drastic rise in such incidents.
“We don’t really know why yet, but what we can see is that the increase comes as we also see a rise in gang-related crimes and a growing number of criminal networks,” Manne Gerell, a criminologist at Malmö University, told The Local, after Swedish public radio first wrote about new research he is involved in.
One study which is yet to be published suggests that Sweden experienced four to five times as many fatal shootings per capita as Norway and Germany in 2008-2014, two otherwise similar countries. Previous figures have shown that deadly violence in general is going down in Sweden, but gun violence has gone up.
Gerell also singled out Malmö, Sweden’s third-largest city, as the one place where shootings are becoming particularly common.
“Malmö stands out,” he said, noting that the southern city is somewhat more exposed to social problems and poverty in comparison to both the capital and Gothenburg.
“Malmö is also what we describe an ‘early adopter’ when it comes to crime. It was the first of the three cities where hand grenade crimes became more commonplace and it was also the place for the establishment of Sweden’s first biker-gangs. We don’t know whether this is to do with its proximity to the European continent or not, but it could explain why the trends seem to start there.”
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http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6770170
New research says Sweden sees more deadly shootings per capita than its closest European neighbors, and the low number of gun crimes solved by police here may be part of the reason why.
Sweden experiences four to five times more fatal shootings per capita than Norway and Germany, according to the ongoing research from Malmö University, Karolinska Hospital and Stockholm University.
The areas with the most shootings are Sweden's major cities: Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö. The victims as well as the perpetrators also tend to be younger than those in other the countries.
2aguy
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Crime happens when you least expect it......just ask any woman dragged from a bus stop and raped in an alley......
States with concealed and open carry laws are safer.....it is the higher restricted states where they have the most gun murder.......
NoNukes
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More guns is certainly not the answer to gun crime.
And where did you get all of this? A gun site?
NoNukes
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I have read that these are lies that you gun nuts put out.
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