Finally Mark Levin!

[occupied]

mmmm

I am sure liberal states would have the right to send liberal delegates.

Or, they could act like pussies and stay home.

What is 40 states write a new Constitution, and ten big Blue States don't like it?

Will they declare war on the 40?

You don't "write a new constitution" you moron. You purpose amendments to the constitution...Which is constitutional

Amendments are, in fact, rewriting the constitution. I would like to hear some amendments you think should be introduced that would address corruption in government. I am betting that getting the big secretive corporate money out of the picture is not one of them since conservatives love their politicians to have real cozy relationships with big business.

Here are a few ideas

1) Repeal the 17th amendment

2) Pass an amendment implementing the Fair tax and abolishing all other Federal Taxes and repeal the 16th Amendment

3) Pass an amendment implementing zero based budgeting

4) Pass an amendment enacting term limits. Change the Presidency to one six year term so Presidents don't campaign from office, limit Senators to one six year term and congressmen to three 2 year terms

5) Pass an amendment to require all bills to state the Constitutional authority that justifies the Federal power in the bill, take Judicial Review from the SCOTUS and give State legislatures the power to declare Federal bills Unconstitutional, say with a 2/3 vote of legislatures

6) Pass an amendment stating the Commerce clause allows Federal authority over interstate trade only, not intra state trade, and it gives the Federal government only the power to expand trade, not restrict it

7) Pass an amendment allowing States to invalidate Federal laws in their State

8) Pass an amendment stating States are not bound to the union but are in the United States voluntarily

9) Pass an amendment Stating that the Federal government must provide Constitutional rights for tax collection and for Federal initiatives like the "war on drugs"

10) Pass an amendment requiring 2/3 vote in each house for tax increases

11) Pass an amendment to make earmarks Unconstitutional

12) Pass an amendment to require the Federal government to treat all it's citizens the same

All that stuff is supposed to fight government corruption? Nothing for the too-cozy relationship between the big money and government? Nothing to address election spending? Nothing to address lobbying? Seems you care more for how the government spends than how it gets in bed with big business and sides with them against the American people.

You're speaking of Crony-Capitalism, which is what is otherwise known as Progressivism (fascism).

And the only way to fight that intrinsic corruption is to disqualify those who are known to be adherents of such from participation.

You can't solve a problem which is comprised entirely of Left-think, through the application of left-think.

Are you drinking already?

 

[kaz]

Which is more effective to prevent a bank from being robbed? Hiring a bunch more corrupt guards and hope they cancel each other out instead of working together to rob the bank themselves as you propose doing or moving the money out of the vault as I propose doing?

Your metaphor is confusing. They say the best way to rob a bank is to own one, well, who owns our government? It's the big money corporations and billionaires. No conservative has the slightest desire to cut their strings so all this talk of corruption is bogus.

Seriously? You don't understand it? OK, I'll dumb it down for you.

Your solution to improve integrity in government is to have corrupt politicians make more laws for corrupt bureaucrats to enforce while doing nothing but expand the power the corrupt system wields. It's a stupid idea.

My proposal is to reduce the ability of politicians to peddle corruption. All my proposals were to flatten and even government and balance Federal power with State power.

I do so frequently have to explain the butt obvious to liberals

 

[occupied]

Do you dummies actually think you could hold such a convention and leave the liberals outside and deny them a say in the matter? Not on your fucking lives you fucking fascists.

Well, that's the nature of war.

The Convention merely provides the LAST OPPORTUNITY for the Left to recognize the situation for what it is, and to take their position as passengers on the culturally viable train and hopefully to understand that they're jsut lucky to BE HERE!

I agree that there's no chance that they'll find the strength of character to do the right thing... which again, is the nature of war.

This topic is getting dumber by the minute, conservatives like to make accusations of liberals not following the constitution but here we have a bunch of conservatives wanting to go under our nation's hood and start monkeying around with the belts and hoses. One comment would require abolishing at least three amendments of the bill of rights. It's you guys that hate the constitution because it will not allow you to have the single party fascist nation you desire. So now you talk of of civil war to get what you want? Well, all I can say is get your gun and go out your front door and get it started.

Would it?

Oh that's fascinatin'...

Cite the Amendments and we can discuss each one.

Definitely drinking already.

 

[Hossfly]

People drawing SS and Medicare paid into it during their working lives. That was 2 dumbass questions. Plus, people drawing SS pay for their medicare each month. Also taxes to support deadbeats and leeches.

Yeah all that money you paid in is spent, taxes from people who are still being productive carry you as much as anyone on welfare and medicare spending is highly subsidized. Quit acting as if there is some difference between you and a mom on food stamps, the government decided that it would be bad if either of you starved.

SS is the least of my income, leech. I pay taxes on it along with Medicare payments. I pay state and federal taxes on my Army pension and I pay state and federal taxes on my IRA. And you leeches think those are handout like your welfare and food stamps.

I make good money and I make it in the private sector not from the taxpayer, shove your stereotypes up your hemorrhoidal ass sideways.

The idea someone who advocates leeching is a leech isn't a "stereotype"

My taxes have paid for him far more than his taxes have paid for me who's the leech?

Jerkwad, I have been working and paying taxes since 1955..And I am still paying taxes and you ignore and belittle it.

 

[Antares]

Gay marriage...how about the whole socialist/Communist agenda!!!!

Your persecution complex does not count as an actual justification to declare war on the United States of America,

I am hardly alone!

You are right, there are a lot of spoiled dumbasses out there who sit in their comfortable homes and engage in fantasy insurrection on the internet saying whatever they want about the government without the slightest fear of reprisals and somehow still feel like they are oppressed. Quit playing the victim you poor spoiled little infant.

Sure thing Commie Kid, how much taxpayer cash are you getting each month?

Zero, how much you drawing in SS and medicare you leech?

So you are too busy shitting in Cop Cars and raging against the machine to cask your welfare checks.

 

[kaz]

Not from what I've seen so far, conservatives talk about hating crony capitalism but demand their politicians be "business friendly" to the point that they are lapdogs of big business.

This is a political board people, have their own opinion here. Crony capitalism will be address by true conservatives. it's a cancer on our system

Got any specific ideas? I would really like to hear them.

Term limits would certainly help, baring former memembers of congress from becoming lobbyist after leaving office would also help, more transparency with political contributions would help as well

I am with you on the first and third, but how do you justify the second in a free country? Rules like that just inevitably end up being a game to get around and they are never consistently implemented. With the first the second would be less of an issue anyway

Becoming lobbyist right out of office is unseemly there should at least be a waiting period of a few years

I could go with that, it's common in business deals to have a non-compete that lasts a specified duration

 

[kaz]

People drawing SS and Medicare paid into it during their working lives. That was 2 dumbass questions. Plus, people drawing SS pay for their medicare each month. Also taxes to support deadbeats and leeches.

Yeah all that money you paid in is spent, taxes from people who are still being productive carry you as much as anyone on welfare and medicare spending is highly subsidized. Quit acting as if there is some difference between you and a mom on food stamps, the government decided that it would be bad if either of you starved.

SS is the least of my income, leech. I pay taxes on it along with Medicare payments. I pay state and federal taxes on my Army pension and I pay state and federal taxes on my IRA. And you leeches think those are handout like your welfare and food stamps.

I make good money and I make it in the private sector not from the taxpayer, shove your stereotypes up your hemorrhoidal ass sideways.

The idea someone who advocates leeching is a leech isn't a "stereotype"

My taxes have paid for him far more than his taxes have paid for me who's the leech?

Filing a tax form isn't paying taxes. Half of taxpayers who file pay zero or get money back. It doesn't seem feasible you're in the top half...

 

[occupied]

Which is more effective to prevent a bank from being robbed? Hiring a bunch more corrupt guards and hope they cancel each other out instead of working together to rob the bank themselves as you propose doing or moving the money out of the vault as I propose doing?

Your metaphor is confusing. They say the best way to rob a bank is to own one, well, who owns our government? It's the big money corporations and billionaires. No conservative has the slightest desire to cut their strings so all this talk of corruption is bogus.

Seriously? You don't understand it? OK, I'll dumb it down for you.

Your solution to improve integrity in government is to have corrupt politicians make more laws for corrupt bureaucrats to enforce while doing nothing but expand the power the corrupt system wields. It's a stupid idea.

My proposal is to reduce the ability of politicians to peddle corruption. All my proposals were to flatten and even government and balance Federal power with State power.

I do so frequently have to explain the butt obvious to liberals

None of what you suggested applies directly to the interface between government and big money. That's where the corruption happens, not all your restrictions on government to collect revenue or prevent states from selling out to big business.

 

[kaz]

mmmm

You don't "write a new constitution" you moron. You purpose amendments to the constitution...Which is constitutional

Amendments are, in fact, rewriting the constitution. I would like to hear some amendments you think should be introduced that would address corruption in government. I am betting that getting the big secretive corporate money out of the picture is not one of them since conservatives love their politicians to have real cozy relationships with big business.

Here are a few ideas

1) Repeal the 17th amendment

2) Pass an amendment implementing the Fair tax and abolishing all other Federal Taxes and repeal the 16th Amendment

3) Pass an amendment implementing zero based budgeting

4) Pass an amendment enacting term limits. Change the Presidency to one six year term so Presidents don't campaign from office, limit Senators to one six year term and congressmen to three 2 year terms

5) Pass an amendment to require all bills to state the Constitutional authority that justifies the Federal power in the bill, take Judicial Review from the SCOTUS and give State legislatures the power to declare Federal bills Unconstitutional, say with a 2/3 vote of legislatures

6) Pass an amendment stating the Commerce clause allows Federal authority over interstate trade only, not intra state trade, and it gives the Federal government only the power to expand trade, not restrict it

7) Pass an amendment allowing States to invalidate Federal laws in their State

8) Pass an amendment stating States are not bound to the union but are in the United States voluntarily

9) Pass an amendment Stating that the Federal government must provide Constitutional rights for tax collection and for Federal initiatives like the "war on drugs"

10) Pass an amendment requiring 2/3 vote in each house for tax increases

11) Pass an amendment to make earmarks Unconstitutional

12) Pass an amendment to require the Federal government to treat all it's citizens the same

All that stuff is supposed to fight government corruption? Nothing for the too-cozy relationship between the big money and government? Nothing to address election spending? Nothing to address lobbying? Seems you care more for how the government spends than how it gets in bed with big business and sides with them against the American people.

You're speaking of Crony-Capitalism, which is what is otherwise known as Progressivism (fascism).

And the only way to fight that intrinsic corruption is to disqualify those who are known to be adherents of such from participation.

You can't solve a problem which is comprised entirely of Left-think, through the application of left-think.

Are you drinking already?

He's dead on, every time you hear capitalism you go to crony capitalism which is actually a form of socialism. It's central planning and has nothing to do with capitalism. It has the word "capitalism" in it so you don't grasp it

 

[occupied]

Yeah all that money you paid in is spent, taxes from people who are still being productive carry you as much as anyone on welfare and medicare spending is highly subsidized. Quit acting as if there is some difference between you and a mom on food stamps, the government decided that it would be bad if either of you starved.

SS is the least of my income, leech. I pay taxes on it along with Medicare payments. I pay state and federal taxes on my Army pension and I pay state and federal taxes on my IRA. And you leeches think those are handout like your welfare and food stamps.

I make good money and I make it in the private sector not from the taxpayer, shove your stereotypes up your hemorrhoidal ass sideways.

The idea someone who advocates leeching is a leech isn't a "stereotype"

My taxes have paid for him far more than his taxes have paid for me who's the leech?

Filing a tax form isn't paying taxes. Half of taxpayers who file pay zero or get money back. It doesn't seem feasible you're in the top half...

I'm not but I still pay in plenty to state and federal and get none of it back since I am a private business owner.

 

[BluesLegend]

Do you dummies actually think you could hold such a convention and leave the liberals outside and deny them a say in the matter? Not on your fucking lives you fucking fascists.

You mad bro? Feel free to flee to some communist country and live out your dream.

 

[kaz]

Which is more effective to prevent a bank from being robbed? Hiring a bunch more corrupt guards and hope they cancel each other out instead of working together to rob the bank themselves as you propose doing or moving the money out of the vault as I propose doing?

Your metaphor is confusing. They say the best way to rob a bank is to own one, well, who owns our government? It's the big money corporations and billionaires. No conservative has the slightest desire to cut their strings so all this talk of corruption is bogus.

Seriously? You don't understand it? OK, I'll dumb it down for you.

Your solution to improve integrity in government is to have corrupt politicians make more laws for corrupt bureaucrats to enforce while doing nothing but expand the power the corrupt system wields. It's a stupid idea.

My proposal is to reduce the ability of politicians to peddle corruption. All my proposals were to flatten and even government and balance Federal power with State power.

I do so frequently have to explain the butt obvious to liberals

None of what you suggested applies directly to the interface between government and big money. That's where the corruption happens, not all your restrictions on government to collect revenue or prevent states from selling out to big business.

You don't grasp what I said.

So seriously, you think if you make more rules then money won't buy power? For sale politicians will stop selling influence? That's just stupid, seriously. Think about it, but don't hurt yourself.

The way to limit Federal power is to reduce the power that can be sold. That is the only way.

 

[occupied]

mmmm

Amendments are, in fact, rewriting the constitution. I would like to hear some amendments you think should be introduced that would address corruption in government. I am betting that getting the big secretive corporate money out of the picture is not one of them since conservatives love their politicians to have real cozy relationships with big business.

Here are a few ideas

1) Repeal the 17th amendment

2) Pass an amendment implementing the Fair tax and abolishing all other Federal Taxes and repeal the 16th Amendment

3) Pass an amendment implementing zero based budgeting

4) Pass an amendment enacting term limits. Change the Presidency to one six year term so Presidents don't campaign from office, limit Senators to one six year term and congressmen to three 2 year terms

5) Pass an amendment to require all bills to state the Constitutional authority that justifies the Federal power in the bill, take Judicial Review from the SCOTUS and give State legislatures the power to declare Federal bills Unconstitutional, say with a 2/3 vote of legislatures

6) Pass an amendment stating the Commerce clause allows Federal authority over interstate trade only, not intra state trade, and it gives the Federal government only the power to expand trade, not restrict it

7) Pass an amendment allowing States to invalidate Federal laws in their State

8) Pass an amendment stating States are not bound to the union but are in the United States voluntarily

9) Pass an amendment Stating that the Federal government must provide Constitutional rights for tax collection and for Federal initiatives like the "war on drugs"

10) Pass an amendment requiring 2/3 vote in each house for tax increases

11) Pass an amendment to make earmarks Unconstitutional

12) Pass an amendment to require the Federal government to treat all it's citizens the same

All that stuff is supposed to fight government corruption? Nothing for the too-cozy relationship between the big money and government? Nothing to address election spending? Nothing to address lobbying? Seems you care more for how the government spends than how it gets in bed with big business and sides with them against the American people.

You're speaking of Crony-Capitalism, which is what is otherwise known as Progressivism (fascism).

And the only way to fight that intrinsic corruption is to disqualify those who are known to be adherents of such from participation.

You can't solve a problem which is comprised entirely of Left-think, through the application of left-think.

Are you drinking already?

He's dead on, every time you hear capitalism you go to crony capitalism which is actually a form of socialism. It's central planning and has nothing to do with capitalism. It has the word "capitalism" in it so you don't grasp it

I grasp that it is the way our government is run and conservatives wouldn't change it for the world, it would not be "business friendly".

 

[kaz]

SS is the least of my income, leech. I pay taxes on it along with Medicare payments. I pay state and federal taxes on my Army pension and I pay state and federal taxes on my IRA. And you leeches think those are handout like your welfare and food stamps.

I make good money and I make it in the private sector not from the taxpayer, shove your stereotypes up your hemorrhoidal ass sideways.

The idea someone who advocates leeching is a leech isn't a "stereotype"

My taxes have paid for him far more than his taxes have paid for me who's the leech?

Filing a tax form isn't paying taxes. Half of taxpayers who file pay zero or get money back. It doesn't seem feasible you're in the top half...

I'm not but I still pay in plenty to state and federal and get none of it back since I am a private business owner.

You're a private business owner and you still advocate more Federal power? You are not incorporated and you don't have any employees. Sole proprietorship?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

Do you dummies actually think you could hold such a convention and leave the liberals outside and deny them a say in the matter? Not on your fucking lives you fucking fascists.

No. As is usual with your fascist brain dead turd lolberals, you entirely miss the point.

Nobody except a liberal would seek to exclude the opposition from speaking and voting.

The fact is, we all know you guys would do your level best to circumvent the rules and would seek to stack the deck with liberals. If it took every last one of Soros' dollars, that's what you'd try.

The thing though is that if we set up a convention of the States for the sole purpose of addressing some proposed Constitutional Amendments, it would not become a brand new CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. The STATES would get the votes, not the citizens. The STATES would allegedly represent the positions of their own people, but honestly, California and NY and Massachusetts would clearly simply trample the voice of any non-liberals. Thankfully, they could be out voted.

What you asshole libs dread is a full throat-ed HONEST debate on TOPIC. We all know you are miserably bankrupt in the coin of meritorious ideas. A fair and honest debate scares the shit out of you shithead liberals.

 

[kaz]

mmmm

Here are a few ideas

1) Repeal the 17th amendment

2) Pass an amendment implementing the Fair tax and abolishing all other Federal Taxes and repeal the 16th Amendment

3) Pass an amendment implementing zero based budgeting

4) Pass an amendment enacting term limits. Change the Presidency to one six year term so Presidents don't campaign from office, limit Senators to one six year term and congressmen to three 2 year terms

5) Pass an amendment to require all bills to state the Constitutional authority that justifies the Federal power in the bill, take Judicial Review from the SCOTUS and give State legislatures the power to declare Federal bills Unconstitutional, say with a 2/3 vote of legislatures

6) Pass an amendment stating the Commerce clause allows Federal authority over interstate trade only, not intra state trade, and it gives the Federal government only the power to expand trade, not restrict it

7) Pass an amendment allowing States to invalidate Federal laws in their State

8) Pass an amendment stating States are not bound to the union but are in the United States voluntarily

9) Pass an amendment Stating that the Federal government must provide Constitutional rights for tax collection and for Federal initiatives like the "war on drugs"

10) Pass an amendment requiring 2/3 vote in each house for tax increases

11) Pass an amendment to make earmarks Unconstitutional

12) Pass an amendment to require the Federal government to treat all it's citizens the same

All that stuff is supposed to fight government corruption? Nothing for the too-cozy relationship between the big money and government? Nothing to address election spending? Nothing to address lobbying? Seems you care more for how the government spends than how it gets in bed with big business and sides with them against the American people.

You're speaking of Crony-Capitalism, which is what is otherwise known as Progressivism (fascism).

And the only way to fight that intrinsic corruption is to disqualify those who are known to be adherents of such from participation.

You can't solve a problem which is comprised entirely of Left-think, through the application of left-think.

Are you drinking already?

He's dead on, every time you hear capitalism you go to crony capitalism which is actually a form of socialism. It's central planning and has nothing to do with capitalism. It has the word "capitalism" in it so you don't grasp it

I grasp that it is the way our government is run and conservatives wouldn't change it for the world, it would not be "business friendly".

Again you show in spades that you don't know what capitalism is. Capitalism is not business friendly, it is neutral. Consumers, suppliers, employers, employees, investors, businesses, everyone makes their own best deal. Government is just a referee, it's not a kindergarten teacher like liberals want.

You again are talking about crony capitalism, which is a form of socialism. Government picking winners is central planning (socialism), not distributed decision making (capitalism)

 

[Jroc]

Yeah all that money you paid in is spent, taxes from people who are still being productive carry you as much as anyone on welfare and medicare spending is highly subsidized. Quit acting as if there is some difference between you and a mom on food stamps, the government decided that it would be bad if either of you starved.

SS is the least of my income, leech. I pay taxes on it along with Medicare payments. I pay state and federal taxes on my Army pension and I pay state and federal taxes on my IRA. And you leeches think those are handout like your welfare and food stamps.

I make good money and I make it in the private sector not from the taxpayer, shove your stereotypes up your hemorrhoidal ass sideways.

The idea someone who advocates leeching is a leech isn't a "stereotype"

My taxes have paid for him far more than his taxes have paid for me who's the leech?

Jerkwad, I have been working and paying taxes since 1955..And I am still paying taxes and you ignore and belittle it.

My Friend's grandmother came here from Europe, she was in her eighties, Never worked here. She got Social Security and medicare

 

[occupied]

Do you dummies actually think you could hold such a convention and leave the liberals outside and deny them a say in the matter? Not on your fucking lives you fucking fascists.

You mad bro? Feel free to flee to some communist country and live out your dream.

I hear Russia is sufficiently anti-liberal enough to satisfy even the most stanch conservative authoritarian and you guys really like Putin. You are the one that ought to move away if you want to change the constitution to be more like Russia's single party state where liberal agitators are jailed.

 

[Freewill]

I hope this can happen. If not the only other option is another civil war.

A civil war is exactly what would happen if the states used such a solemn occasion simply to attack liberal concerns and causes and give a permanent advantage to republicans.

I didn't read that into the OP, are you reading into the OP? Do you like the current direction of Washington, if so please give me your reasons.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Do you dummies actually think you could hold such a convention and leave the liberals outside and deny them a say in the matter? Not on your fucking lives you fucking fascists.

Well, that's the nature of war.

The Convention merely provides the LAST OPPORTUNITY for the Left to recognize the situation for what it is, and to take their position as passengers on the culturally viable train and hopefully to understand that they're jsut lucky to BE HERE!

I agree that there's no chance that they'll find the strength of character to do the right thing... which again, is the nature of war.

This topic is getting dumber by the minute, conservatives like to make accusations of liberals not following the constitution but here we have a bunch of conservatives wanting to go under our nation's hood and start monkeying around with the belts and hoses. One comment would require abolishing at least three amendments of the bill of rights. It's you guys that hate the constitution because it will not allow you to have the single party fascist nation you desire. So now you talk of of civil war to get what you want? Well, all I can say is get your gun and go out your front door and get it started.

Would it?

Oh that's fascinatin'...

Cite the Amendments and we can discuss each one.

Definitely drinking already.

LOL! So you can't sustain your reasoning and from that, you conclude your opposition must be intellectually addled?

If you're capable, try to understand that what you're demonstrating through that reasoning is subjectivism... OKA: Relativism, AKA: Leftism... .

Now... I've said that THE PROBLEM is Leftism. And that a problem created BY Leftism cannot be solved through the application OF Leftism... and YOU have come to DEMONSTRATE, in incontestable terms, the truth inherent to my reasoning.

Thank you.