Federal jobs pay more than private sector

[Mr. Peepers]

WHAT specifically has been proven "over and OVER AGAIN"? be specific here. Right now? You're talking in circles.

And if you mean Government stifiling free Enterprise for Class Envy/Warfare? That would be correct.

Well, they tried it in S. America and produced Pinochet (our CIA was in on that, you know). They tried it in Russia and got Oligarchs. This was the very reason Iraq was invaded - it had nothing to do w/WMD's. They were a defensless country in a promising location... to establish a "Dubai in the desert" for multinationals. They didn't count on the insurgency. Anywhere asshole Friedman and his Chicago boys went to inflict their free market shock therapy, disaster followed along with much bloodshed and "disappearings" of dissenters.

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[Mr. Peepers]

Economic Collapses happen due to tinkering of their respective Governments, and their over-tweaking.

Economic collapses happen when greedy corporations... Er, I mean "people" have too much power and money and access to capital and when no one is watching what they are doing, or not doing? Human greed corrupts entirely and in every situation when it comes to money. Seriously... have you had your head up your ass the past 4 years? Who made out like bandits during the derivatives craze? Who HOUNDED and CRIED to the government to release loan requirements so that they could get more loans to bundle? Hmm? I tend to remember it was snot-nosed traders and lenders. 86% of subprime loans were held by private lenders. Not Fannie and Freddie, but PRIVATE LENDERS.

 

[CMike]

CMike does not have the capability to do critical thinking that involves an economy that has room for a private sector and a governemnt sector.

In his simple minded world, government all bad, free market all good.

The key is to not have any sector or any component of either sector to have too much power. That is when problems happen.

Mike has the level of economic comprehensions of a third grader. Maybe CMike is a third grader.

Our economy is built on a government sector and a private sector. Neither one is all good or all bad.

Unless you live in CMike's world. He is dumb as a stump.

The problems occur because liberals are too stupid to understand simple concepts.

Try and follow. I'll type slower so maybe you can understand, although very very unlikely.

1) When the government raises taxes it comes from somewhere. Businesses are in deep trouble. They are struggelling as it is to pay their bills now. Many have failed or
are on the brink of failing.

What do you think happens when you raise their taxes? That is less money that they have to keep an employee, or pay rent.

Part of Obama care is to raise taxes on businesses that have over 20 or more employees. Guess what's going to happen? A business is going to do what it can to either not hire 20 or more employees, or get rid of employees until it falls under that number.

As a result, of left wing socialist stupidity, people are let go, and the business itself might fold.

2) What do you think happens when regulations are increased? Regulations means money. Businesses have to spend money to comply with new regulations. Where do you think this money comes from?

There is only a certain amount of money businesses have. In a recession with record high unemployment the worst thing a government do is increase taxes and regulations.

What can the government do to make things better? Try and follow. It's simple. Decrease taxes and regulations.

3) No one here has said there shouldn't be any taxes or regulations. The point is that there is too much taxes and regulations, and your liberal leaders keep putting new nails into the coffin.

4) You are a douche bag.

Lesson over.

 

[CMike]

Economic Collapses happen due to tinkering of their respective Governments, and their over-tweaking.

Economic collapses happen when greedy corporations... Er, I mean "people" have too much power and money and access to capital and when no one is watching what they are doing, or not doing? Human greed corrupts entirely and in every situation when it comes to money. Seriously... have you had your head up your ass the past 4 years? Who made out like bandits during the derivatives craze? Who HOUNDED and CRIED to the government to release loan requirements so that they could get more loans to bundle? Hmm? I tend to remember it was snot-nosed traders and lenders. 86% of subprime loans were held by private lenders. Not Fannie and Freddie, but PRIVATE LENDERS.

There is no such thing in a free market economy of anyone having too much money.

 

[ElmerMudd]

CMike does not have the capability to do critical thinking that involves an economy that has room for a private sector and a governemnt sector.

In his simple minded world, government all bad, free market all good.

The key is to not have any sector or any component of either sector to have too much power. That is when problems happen.

Mike has the level of economic comprehensions of a third grader. Maybe CMike is a third grader.

Our economy is built on a government sector and a private sector. Neither one is all good or all bad.

Unless you live in CMike's world. He is dumb as a stump.

Please show where the government sector is good, SS? Medicare? Welfare? Amtrak? Post Office? Medicaid? I'm listening

Defence including vetran affairs
Foreign policy
Judicial system to uphold the constitution and our laws
Law enforcement
Firefighters
Over seeour national forests and parks
Roads
Schools
Oversight of financial markets, product safety, enforce antitrust laws etc
MEDICARE - do you think private insurance wants to insure this high risk pool? Please
Post office as an option. This is a good example of where the private sector successfully competes with a government entity.
Lets start there.

 

[Jarhead]

Economic Collapses happen due to tinkering of their respective Governments, and their over-tweaking.

Economic collapses happen when greedy corporations... Er, I mean "people" have too much power and money and access to capital and when no one is watching what they are doing, or not doing? Human greed corrupts entirely and in every situation when it comes to money. Seriously... have you had your head up your ass the past 4 years? Who made out like bandits during the derivatives craze? Who HOUNDED and CRIED to the government to release loan requirements so that they could get more loans to bundle? Hmm? I tend to remember it was snot-nosed traders and lenders. 86% of subprime loans were held by private lenders. Not Fannie and Freddie, but PRIVATE LENDERS.

There is no such thing in a free market economy of anyone having too much money.

Yes sir. You are correct.

I believe what Pepers is referring to are those that he is jealous of. Those with more than he has.

You know how it goes; the ole' liberal way of thinking:

When someone has more than you, you complain they are greedy.

When you have more than them, if they complain they must be jealous.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

There is no such thing in a free market economy of anyone having too much money.

Oh really? Where do you think that money ends up? Hint. It don't trickle down.

 

[CMike]

Trickle up doesn't work.

 

[The T]

Government: America's growth Industry

Yep. Government gets larger...Private enterprise grows smaller. *By Design*

And I've spouted "Servitude'" or the new American Slavery...

We are witnessing it.

 

[Jarhead]

CMike does not have the capability to do critical thinking that involves an economy that has room for a private sector and a governemnt sector.

In his simple minded world, government all bad, free market all good.

The key is to not have any sector or any component of either sector to have too much power. That is when problems happen.

Mike has the level of economic comprehensions of a third grader. Maybe CMike is a third grader.

Our economy is built on a government sector and a private sector. Neither one is all good or all bad.

Unless you live in CMike's world. He is dumb as a stump.

Please show where the government sector is good, SS? Medicare? Welfare? Amtrak? Post Office? Medicaid? I'm listening

Defence including vetran affairs
Foreign policy
Judicial system to uphold the constitution and our laws
Law enforcement
Firefighters
Over seeour national forests and parks
Roads
Schools
Oversight of financial markets, product safety, enforce antitrust laws etc
MEDICARE - do you think private insurance wants to insure this high risk pool? Please
Post office as an option. This is a good example of where the private sector successfully competes with a government entity.
Lets start there.

Interesting. You listed the exact things they were designed to do.

Why did you not mention:

Bailout companies that make bad decisions
Bailout companies that are empoloyed by string unions
Take over entire industries like student loan industry
Buy failing auto companies

Just curious. You listed exactly what a conservative would list, but you did not list exactly what a conservative would not list.

SO are you a conservative?

 

[The T]

There is no such thing in a free market economy of anyone having too much money.

Oh really? Where do you think that money ends up? Hint. It don't trickle down.

Really? Kennedy, Reagan, GWB proved your assertion incorrect.

 

[CMike]

There is no such thing in a free market economy of anyone having too much money.

Oh really? Where do you think that money ends up? Hint. It don't trickle down.

In our economy.

Let's say I buy an expensive boat...Believe it or not there are people who actually make expensive boats.

Those businesses employ people who manufacture the boat. There also people who make money selling the boats.

Then those businesses pay businesses that get parts and services for these expensive boats. These businesses employ people too.

Then those suppliers have suppliers too and so on and so on.

By me buying an expensive boat, I am helping a lot of different people. If I don't buy this expensive boat I help no one in this field. I am not buying this boat for the purpose of helping these people, that's just how a free market economy works.

Let's say that the government imposes a new luxury tax on the buying of an expensive boat. Because of this, sales of expensive boats goes down 30%. This hurts real people.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

I believe what Pepers is referring to are those that he is jealous of. Those with more than he has.

And you would be wrong. You do not know how much or how little I have. Besides, my abiding desire in my life is not to be a wealth-flaunting millionaire. Not even close. I see the disparity and the reasons for the disparity and I am merely pointing them out. It is what it is, whether you corporatists want to admit it or not.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

Let's say that the government imposes a new luxury tax on the buying of an expensive boat. Because of this, sales of expensive boats goes down 30%. This hurts real people.

Okay, so why did the tax cuts and corporate welfare not increase the numbers of boat builders and boat parts suppliers like they were supposed to? Hmmm? And people who buy expensive boats don't give a damn about anything but the status of owning the big boat. Having to shell out $2,000 more for a tax sure as hell isn't going to stop someone who has millions, in their tracks. Come on, give me a break. They don't even LOOK at sales taxes. I used to work in a really high end restaurant. These people didn't even LOOK at the bill before plunking down their credit card.

 

[Jarhead]

I believe what Pepers is referring to are those that he is jealous of. Those with more than he has.

And you would be wrong. You do not know how much or how little I have. Besides, my abiding desire in my life is not to be a wealth-flaunting millionaire. Not even close. I see the disparity and the reasons for the disparity and I am merely pointing them out. It is what it is, whether you corporatists want to admit it or not.

No sir. You are not being honest with this post.

You have complained many times about corporate Amserica and what they make compared to you and how hard you work.

They found the winning formula, you did not.

If you did, you would be looking at those that compalin about you as jealous.

Your posts are quite revealing.

Those that make fun of those that have too many shoes, only wish to have that many shoes themselves.

 

[Jarhead]

Let's say that the government imposes a new luxury tax on the buying of an expensive boat. Because of this, sales of expensive boats goes down 30%. This hurts real people.

Okay, so why did the tax cuts and corporate welfare not increase the numbers of boat builders and boat parts suppliers like they were supposed to? Hmmm? And people who buy expensive boats don't give a damn about anything but the status of owning the big boat. Having to shell out $2,000 more for a tax sure as hell isn't going to stop someone who has millions, in their tracks. Come on, give me a break. They don't even LOOK at sales taxes. I used to work in a really high end restaurant. These people didn't even LOOK at the bill before plunking down their credit card.

See? Exactly how do you know that those that buy large boats dont give a dam about anything but the status of having a large boat? And who are you to question those that dont look at bills before they pay them. I usually dont either. I am not rich. I am comfortable, but not rich. I just dont care to check the math.

I trust my fellow American.

You dam those that trust their fellow American.

You really need to get off that soapbox Mr. Peepers. You are very transparrent.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

You have complained many times about corporate Amserica and what they make compared to you and how hard you work.

They found the winning formula, you did not.

What? I do work hard and no, I don't think the American worker justly compensated, nor are they able to prosper and "work their way up", and this entirely because of the disconnect with corporate culture. We're sick to death of taking hits when the economy tanks, but mysteriously, the already uber wealthy get even richer, still get their bonuses, keep their jobs though they tank the company. Who is the first to be let go in these times? The front line wage slave, that's who. The inequality in pay structure and income will sink this economy if it is not dealt with. That, my friend is not envy. It is pure fact. What are the rich going to do when they have no one left to shoulder the tax burden, hmm? They don't pay the same percentage in taxes that I pay... and corporations don't pay anything at all if they can. We're running out of money to keep the rich, well... rich. See where this is going?

If the winning formula is greed and the destruction of the middle class and opportunity, then I am glad I did not find it. I'd rather have a soul.

 

[Mr. Peepers]

You really need to get off that soapbox Mr. Peepers. You are very transparrent.

And so are you. I can see your corporate puppet logo.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Government: America's growth Industry

Well, apparently the private sector can't cut it. Theyr'e sending all the jobs overseas. Listen... What, exactly, do you Cons expect the unemployed American worker to do??? There aren't enough jobs for the people seeking work PLUS there aren't enough living wage jobs comprising those jobs available. THEN you don't want to give them unemployment? Seriously... WHAT DO YOU EXPECT THEM TO DO????? Are you guys going to set up debtors colonies like England did here? Seriously, are you really going to eschew government positions for your fellow citizens just because there's no millionaire CEO at the helm?

You're fucking dumb as a bag of hammers aren't you?

Listen up. More government jobs that pay higher salaries than private sector jobs means we all pay more taxes to fund those jobs as government jobs do not produce anything of value that can be used to expand the economy or offset the costs the salaries of new employees.

The more taxes we pay the less money there is for investment in private enterprise. the less investment in private enterprise the less the economy grows.

The private sector creates jobs that expand the economy. The fucking government invents jobs that contract the economy.

 

[CMike]

Let's say that the government imposes a new luxury tax on the buying of an expensive boat. Because of this, sales of expensive boats goes down 30%. This hurts real people.

Okay, so why did the tax cuts and corporate welfare not increase the numbers of boat builders and boat parts suppliers like they were supposed to? Hmmm? And people who buy expensive boats don't give a damn about anything but the status of owning the big boat. Having to shell out $2,000 more for a tax sure as hell isn't going to stop someone who has millions, in their tracks. Come on, give me a break. They don't even LOOK at sales taxes. I used to work in a really high end restaurant. These people didn't even LOOK at the bill before plunking down their credit card.

The boat example was not hypothetical.

Boat Luxury Tax Drives an Industry Aground - Letter - NYTimes.com


Boat Luxury Tax Drives an Industry Aground
Published: January 3, 1991

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To the Editor:

I have been in the boat business since 1972. The luxury tax that came into effect this year is in general unfair, but as it pertains to boats, grossly so. My industry was singled out and is being crushed by this tax. This will translate into lost jobs for about 600,000 people if something is not done quickly.

The luxury tax on new boats is a cruel hoax played on the public at the expense of those who work in the industry. The United States boat industry, and the 600,000 workers employed directly in manufacturing, were served as the sacrificial lamb to appease those who insisted on soaking the rich during Federal budget negotiations.

The Treasury Department has acknowledged that the 10 percent luxury tax on boats will not produce tax revenues to help solve the budget crisis. The luxury tax revenue will not even cover the income tax revenue lost to unemployed workers and bankrupt manufacturers.


The general thinking is that the rich can afford it, and an extra 10 percent tax isn't going to stop the fat cats from indulging in their toys. What most people don't realize is that those able to buy a new boat also have the ability to decide not to buy. And that is what they have done.


Since the luxury tax came into effect last Sept. 30 for newly ordered boats, nobody has bought a new boat on which the tax would apply! The National Marine Manufacturers' Association, the industry association that tracks such things, can't find a single sale in the whole country! Not one! However, the association has been able to document in excess of 100,000 layoffs (blue-collar workers -- not fat cats) and numerous boat manufacturers going out of business. All during which not a single dollar of luxury tax has been collected.

Let's leave for the moment that the boat luxury tax produces negative revenue and discuss the unfairness of such an excise tax. A great number of people who buy boats are not rich but simply buy a boat to live on, in lieu of a house. A significant number who buy a boat that costs more than $100,000 do live on board. Should they be penalized for such a life style?

Or, why is a new boat a luxury, but a used boat not? Why is a new boat in excess of $100,000 a luxury, but a $500,000 vacation home in Aspen, Colo., not? Plenty of $100,000-plus motor homes are bought every year. Why aren't they a luxury? Why isn't a $250,000 airplane or a $10,000 fur coat a luxury?

All excise taxes are regressive by nature. The politicians tell us that they are socking it to the rich, but all the while it is the average worker who is damaged the most. Don't be fooled by all the political posturing that took place last October. The real fat cats are in Washington, piloting a ship that is sinking as the result of their 20-year spending binge